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i think most women are definitely not spending money on their clothing or appearance for you to look at them or be attracted to them. i think thats what it was about maybe 30 years ago but its all different now. they do it because of what they see on tv, in women's magazines, and because if they dont, other women will disclude them. which starts out somewhere in early high school and just gets worse as they make their way into corporate. women do high heels, jewelry, micro bikinis, and pedicures at each other the same way men try to outdo each other with fast cars, big trucks, lawnmowers, and entertainment centers. most of the women do this without even a thought to whether or not it makes them attractive to the opposite sex, its more their social standing to others of the same sex.
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That is a true working method for some reason Tyler. If you come across as a bit of an ass women for some strange reason think you are instantly more interesting and have something going on. Act like a total gentleman and they will think you are a wuss loser.
As for yupyup you don't sound like a totally "normal" guy according to your first post. You want just immediate gratification for you foot fetish without any kind of relationship with a woman and seem a bit pissy about life in general. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess you probably haven't been on a date with a girl yet.
You are going to have to "play the game" if you ever expect to get to the lady's feet unless you just plan on paying for it be it a hooker, dominatrix, or a foot party. Mind you I'm no swinging Romeo as I've been with the same woman for 17 years since I was 22. However, when I was younger than that I can vouch for having a lady I worked with invite me over to her place and pretty much doing all the sexual stuff you mentioned you wanted a girl to do to you on our first date. It was all about playing "the game." And as for the woman I married, I bugged her for about a month before she would go out with me, and then it was a FJ on the first date!
The big thing just being able to talk comfortably with a gal just like you would do with one of your male friends. Don't compliment them too much, don't start buying them little gifts, and all that crap trying to get them to go out with you. Your conversation needs to come across like you are not searching for words to say and especially not like it was scripted. Being able to make them laugh at your wit is a big bonus.
Get over the whiney "life is shit" attitude and work on developing a little self esteem and confidence. You just gotta make a conscious decision that you need to make a little attitude adjustment. When I was in high school I had no fucken clue. When I moved off and went to college I made the change.
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I think it all depends upon what you are looking for. Start there, figure out what it is you really want.
If you want to just play around, then I think you're better off with a hooker or dom. If you want short-term relationships, then you're better off getting to know them first. I agree that you shouldn't buy them piddly gifts, but really aim for sitting down and getting to know the woman. It's a much better tactic. Most people would rather have a deep conversation, than to jump right in. Just keep in mind that you can be open about who you are in the right way. You want to talk about your foot fetish to her, get to know her first.
Besides, if you single out any part of what they look like right off the bat, think of how you feel if some guy were to look you up in the same way. I can pretty much guarantee that you'll feel the same way as she.
The most important thing is to keep focus on her, but not so much that you overwhelm her. And, get some people skills. I agree that most of the women out there today have gotten clothing styles from that of TV, just like the divorce rate going up because people seeing it happen with actor/actresses/famous people.
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quote:Originally posted by LeDaemon: That is a true working method for some reason Tyler. If you come across as a bit of an ass women for some strange reason think you are instantly more interesting and have something going on. Act like a total gentleman and they will think you are a wuss loser.
They get into these kind of concepts really deep in some of the various seduction subcultures, but that point in particular (about acting an ass) kinda follows the train of thought you mentioned, but not so much from the acting like an ass specifically.
There is a fine balance in creating the perception of value in yourself to a potential mate and sometimes that means giving the impression that you aren't concerned about her impression of you (for better or worse) in order to simulate a status differential (w/yourself being the worthy catch).
Dishing out negs (as an example) just happens to be one (of several) highly effective way of playing that very minutia part of the overall game. Negs do not necessarily have to come off as being an ass although that is often the associations they get (cuz many times they kinda are, LOL).
Very broadly speaking, I think if the dude just learns to come off as a confident and more interesting version of himself, he can forget his worries with women. There are highly effective ways to groom this behavior (fast or slow) and a lot of it is counter-intuitive or elusively obvious to someone who has not been intrinsicly convinced of these realities.
It's a ton of small patterns combined (often nuiances) that make the difference in his potential success. Those little nuiances have huge psychological impact though on his female target who is most likely gonna be highly-analytical of their encounter (on all levels both conscious and subsconscious). What he needs to do is learn to trigger the various forms of attraction (on all levels) if he wants to change his status quo.
Even the most seasoned women have a hard time dismissing the effectiveness of these methods cuz all the man really has to do (simply put) is make himself appear more interesting and that essentially fulfills a lot of what women initially seek.
In short, the idea is simple: "be confident and be yourself". In specific: the way to translate that idea to someone who does not really "get it" (and make it mean something) can equate to a lot of dissecting of human sociology and attraction on many levels (biological and evolutionary included). Those learning processes are not short but are readily available to those who want to commit to better success with women.
I vouch for this type of detailed higher learning (about the intricacies of human and animal attraction) as the single most important set of revolations in my life that entirely turned it upside down (since fall of 2003). And I have applied some of that learning to get unlikely women to do some of the freakiest stuff w/o them having any perceptions of me as a sick perverted bastard (which I am BTW, by using some of you as my rationale for it, LOL).
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My method is simple....The quickest way to get something is to act like you don't want it. Just use this as an example: Have you ever been to a car dealership when a salesman wouldn't leave you alone to look at the cars/trucks? They would always be up your ass, following you around, trying to get you to buy ANYTHING! All so they could make a commission. Its called high-pressure sales and I hate it! You cannot use high-pressure with women either. If a hot woman is getting bombarded by guys only wanting to dump their load and leave, they will say forget it! And for the pornstars you commented on. Everytime these women are on camera, they are going to do or say anything to get you to buy their videos. If you think its real that you can walk up to a girl and say "you have nice feet", and then 5 minutes later be getting a footjob, your in for a rude awakening. I am not saying it never happens, but if thats what your waiting for, good luck.... 99.9% of the time, you will end up doing the "job" by yourself.
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I think it is NEVER a good idea to start off with a compliment towards a girl, especially when it concerns a bodypart
just like it was mentioned in that vid all the guys i've known to have alot of success with girls basically treated them like a bratty little sister, I think most women like to feel like they are being dominated
compliments mean shit unless she already has interest in you, espeially if she's really good looking, trust me she's heard it all a million times already, even the average ones have heard it all too because guys are so fuckin horny
somehow you just have to learn to be a better converastionalist and learn self confidence, don't put women on a pedestal, let them know that you are the man
that is easier said than done but that is key for success in life
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head held high, shoulders back, stomach sucked in, and don't walk around looking angry or sad
3 years ago I had this all down pat and I often got smiles and stares and some conversations initiated by pretty girls
I've been kind of depressed over the last 3 years and i'm pretty sure I walk around looking angry therefore I RARELY get anything initiated by a girl, even though I've improved my physical appearance
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those thoughts have gone through my mind. i think we've all been that frustrated at some point and having a foot fetish seems like a lost cause, it can seem theres no hope of satistying your dreams.
however with patience you can find a girl who will accept it. otherwise there would be no such thing as footfetish websites or guys and girls who practise it at all with anyone.
it can be done, just take it step by step with the ladies. i doubt you'll do any foot worshipping on a first date but you can get there
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ps. masturbate regularly its certainly not a sin! look at plenty of foot porn.
like the last guy said dont deny yourself as it will make things worse. i have realised how painfull it can be..
self control is a good thing however i would advise NOT to go celibate and put even more stress on youself. i believe that is totally un natural and will not help you at all, only mess you up and anger you even more!
the best thing for a bit of relief is to let off some steam on the internet, it will relax you and then take your time getting to know and open minded girl, think positively and it CAN work for you.
masturabting will help take your mind off things to do other fun stuff in the summer time too like sport. taking your mind of sex helps too. the more relieved you are, the less sexually frustrated you'll be and desperate for feet.
The reason im sounding so big headed is becasue ive been an expert on sexual frustration this year! and i know how damn hard it is! but im so lucky my gf has accepted it this summer and it can happen for you.
my main point here is that sex and our foot fetish is something we should be enjoying and cherishing! dont try to deny it or escape it, embrace it and love it and it wont consume you.
if you deny youself pleasure then it will
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pps. with the girls, dont try too hard and take it slow to start. i've learnt from my mistakes that being demanding and frustrated does not get you any sex!
the guys posts before mine have given excellent advice on making women feel at ease with you
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self control is a good thing however i would advise NOT to go celibate and put even more stress on youself. i believe that is totally un natural and will not help you at all, only mess you up and anger you even more!
well, that would depend on who you are.
To be more spacific, being celibate, wouldent put more stress on "Everyone or Anyone"
Like I said, its done just the opposite for me. Its given me more control and prospective.
Less frustration!
Unnatural you say? choosing not to have sex is not unnatural.
Your bypassing an activity using a higher mental faculty.
Some have the abilty to do it, others dont. They enslave themselves to their whims.
Others free themsevles from it.
Denying yourself the "orgasim fuction" Now, that "would be" unnatural!
insomuch as, or for example;
Every ones got to go to the bathroom, excreate urine, piss and poop.
Right...
When your sick, you may have to puke, etc..
Same goes for orgasim, its a natural biological funtion, which in the biggest scheme of things, serves its own ends.
(pro-creation of the speices) (plus, you feel better when your done)
when you puke, it serves it owns ends, (evacuting invading elements) (Plus, you feel better when your done)
When you piss, it serves its own ends, (emptying the blatter of liquid) (Plus, you feel better when your done)
Having a bowl movment, serves its own ends. (Eliminating waste from the lower entrails) (Plus, you feel better when its done)
So, in this respect, I dont agree so much with your regards to the importance or cherishing of sexual ideals,or sex itself, motivated by the natural propensity to have orgasims.
The fetish itself or sexual frustration is not the ends...
The orgasim is. Having sex is pleasing because at the end, you have an orgasim!
Masturbation is agreeable, because at the end, you have an orgasim.
Choosing to focus on a desired or spacific means to acheive the function, is a moot point in the biggest picture.
choosing to feel frustration, or anger and attachment to certain means is truely involved in a form of self torture.
It dosent have to be that way.
To repeat, some things are natural biological functions of the human body.
piss,shit,puke,cum, sometimes blood and puss with issuies of healing.
So, what im saying to this dude is, frustrating yourself everytime before you sit down to take some pressure off your love pump, about what you wish you had to help you do it, is in reality, the same thing as if you needed certain stipulations in place to take a shit.
Image that? if I got caught up in thinking,
"I am fully pissed! I want something to enhance my shiting experience"
It about as relavent. Really it is.
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Not all girls that paint their nails and wear toe rings are looking for guys to drool at the site of their feet. You would probably get the same response if you said "Hey nice ass"
From the way you talk about dating it sounds like you are looking for a hooker. Do you expect to take a girl out and lick her toes at the end of the date? Good luck dude! Dating is usually about getting to know a person, not about getting laid or licking toes afterward.
Girls like that pornstar you mentioned are exactly that...PORNSTARS. Of course they will say things like that.
I hope you can learn to be a bit patient and you will find the girl you are looking for. Salvy_Mic has some good advice. Try to listen a learn a bit.
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