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Since were on the topic of foot guys likes and dislikes would it unreasonable to have a website that catered to every niche of foot fetish?? That way your getting ALL the targeted audience?? Would it be feasible? Just something I have been pondering lately...
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quote:Originally posted by bluetoelover: Since were on the topic of foot guys likes and dislikes would it unreasonable to have a website that catered to every niche of foot fetish?? That way your getting ALL the targeted audience?? Would it be feasible? Just something I have been pondering lately...
I doubt it is really possible because there are just too many niches and sub-niches and sub-sub-fetishes. Just trying to cover ONE part of the foot-fetish (for example the crush-fetish or femdom/trampling or foot-worship) is pretty extensive because there are dozens and dozens of preferences.
A website that covers everything would also have to update daily (at least!), so that all the various sub-fetishes are catered for, or you are going to loose your customers. The costs and time needed to produce such a mass of material would be immense! Another point is, that small niche-websites mostly produce better material because they can specialise on that sub-fetish and the webmasters usually even have those fetishes (and know how to work with them). I remember about a decade ago when FM-Concepts (who have lovely models on their website) started adding some crush-fetish clips & pics. Even though the models looked amazing the material was really bad because they just didn`t "get" the fetish...they didn`t understand it. Small (amateur) niche-websites were producing much better material than the large, professional FM-Concepts studios.
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So say for example a webmaster made the website a full time job..if he was to use the money he would normally pay for models to just model their feet and instead pay them to do FJ's and all the other niches wouldn't it make the website membership go through the roof? The closest I have seen to this is the www.kickass.com site where the try to appeal to the majority of fetish lovers(feet,smoking,specs,trannies etc). But I'm talking about a strictly feet site.
For example, Hal take your site ToesInAction. Like you said you focus on girls with dirty soles,crushing. Now if you were to update say once a week with your normal updates of those niches then say you updated the other 2 times a week with say a FJ or worshipping or two girls worshipping each others feet would that not be feasible?? Or at the very least you update like you normally do but instead of updating with your crushing and dirty soles update with other content??
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quote:Originally posted by bluetoelover: So say for example a webmaster made the website a full time job..if he was to use the money he would normally pay for models to just model their feet and instead pay them to do FJ's and all the other niches wouldn't it make the website membership go through the roof? The closest I have seen to this is the www.kickass.com site where the try to appeal to the majority of fetish lovers(feet,smoking,specs,trannies etc). But I'm talking about a strictly feet site.
For example, Hal take your site ToesInAction. Like you said you focus on girls with dirty soles,crushing. Now if you were to update say once a week with your normal updates of those niches then say you updated the other 2 times a week with say a FJ or worshipping or two girls worshipping each others feet would that not be feasible?? Or at the very least you update like you normally do but instead of updating with your crushing and dirty soles update with other content??
Thanks for your input, Bluetoelover. I´m sure websites with FJ and foot-worship content do very well, since both of those sub-fetishes are very popular. Personally I´m not really interested in producing any porn material because it has never been my cup of tea. And the models I work with aren`t the kind of girls who are open to FJs. I actually pay them a very decent sum of money just to show their bare feet but for FJs I would need entirely different (porno!) models and over here in Germany they are just too expensive for me. And as soon as I start adding nudity to Toes-in-Action a lot of legal things would change. It would also be very hard to compete with all the other (expert/professional) FJ-websites and clip stores, who have specialized on these niches since years and who have their hardcore customers. Making a website your full time job (as you mentioned above) is really not as easy as it sounds, especially in 2008 with all the internet competition. I may add more foot worship content in future, but even there it`s not very easy finding models who are up for it or who really enjoy it.
You are right about some websites (and C4S-stores) out there trying to cover as many sub-fetishes as possible. I´ve even joined a few but you mostly have to wait a few weeks until they add another photo set of your prefered niche-fetish because rotating all those updates takes a lot of time. And (as I mentioned in my previous post) many of the clips aren´t very good because these producers & models are trying to cover dozens of fetishes but just don`t always fully understand the concept of each specific fetish.
There are certainly dozens of other foot related fetishes besides FJs and worship, and I`m really open to suggestions and requests (as long as these requests are ok for the models). You wouldn´t believe the kind of emails I get of people asking me for very bizarre (no offense!) clips & pics covering their sub-fetish. Some of them have turned out really, really popular...for example vacuum-cleaning fetish
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I've never joined Hal's site yet, but I have to say that it's one of the only sites (from what I see in the previews), where ALL the women in it have very shapely feet. AllYouCanFeet (which I joined before) is another example where all the models have very nice looking feet. I like TIA's variety of models as well.
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quote:Originally posted by bluetoelover: use the money he would normally pay for models to just model their feet and instead pay them to do FJ's
if the costs (& approach) were the same, i'm sure alot of producers out there would simply do that.
generally speaking though, a woman usually has to be paid substantially more (& conned very differently) to interact/rub her feet on some stranger's ding dong than to wiggle her toes for a bunch of dudes whom she knows she'll never have to meet.
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quote:Originally posted by toronto_dude: I've never joined Hal's site yet, but I have to say that it's one of the only sites (from what I see in the previews), where ALL the women in it have very shapely feet. AllYouCanFeet (which I joined before) is another example where all the models have very nice looking feet. I like TIA's variety of models as well.
Thanks, Toronto Dude! Those are the two factors I find most important...shapely feet and a wide variety of different models.
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I have to agree with Hal and Tyler. You can approach almost anyone out of the blue and give them a sales pitch for just showing off their feet and modeling them for people that they won't ever see in their lifetime... If they say no then no harm done, as there is still a view of innocence in the question, at least in my opinion.
But to approach potential models with the suggestion of giving you or another guy a FJ for a website and it all of a sudden conjures up a whole mess of "evil" thoughts from porn to creepiness. I haven't found one way outside of contacting actual porn actresses to get around this as it narrows the field of potential models exponentially.
Even with porn actresses, even if you are lucky enough to live in Southern California or Florida (where most of the talent agencies are) there are other costs involved that quite frankly, with a smaller operation, aren't even remotely feasible to do.
I do have an idea for covering the "One Website for all things foot fetish" that I want to throw out there -
What if a dozen or so of the smaller websites got together and streamlined their billing so that a potential customer could essentially "join" all of the websites for one price?
I know there are probably more semantics than just billing that have to be considered, like how to split the income, updating frequency, etc. etc....
But I guess the question begs to be asked, if some of us were able to come to some sort of agreement on everything, would the foot enthusiasts out there go for an idea like this?
I am thinking of it as a "one-stop shop" covering most of the foot fetish and related sub-fetishes?
One more thing that I liked in one of Hal's posts was where he mentioned that most of the smaller sites are more dedicated to producing what foot guys want to see, because they are foot guys themselves!
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Sorry to jump on the band wagon, but a friend of mine (and a former member) pointed me to this site. I'll have to say that I was amazed! Fela and Celina are amongst my favorites from his archive. Hal I truly appreciate your hard work!
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quote:Originally posted by Mikey P: i bought a couple clips that i didn't enjoy too much in the past
i don't really consider it wasting money though because if i didn't buy the clip i never would've known if it was good or not
the preview pics looked good but the clips didn't meet expectations
So Mikey, what exactly do you look for in a clip?
i bought a foot worship clip from silvercherry and the dude talks too much and makes really annoying comments, i don't want to hear the guy talk
some of the clips where the girls model, they look uncomfortble or keep repeating the same thing like "want to lick my feet" throughout the clip
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quote:Originally posted by MC Nolan: Sorry to jump on the band wagon, but a friend of mine (and a former member) pointed me to this site. I'll have to say that I was amazed! Fela and Celina are amongst my favorites from his archive. Hal I truly appreciate your hard work!
Thank-you, MC Nolan...good to hear you like the site! Nice to see that somebody remembers those two veteran models Celina was great to work with and Fela will always be in my heart because she was my first model (along with Jeannine...I shot them both on the same day).
quote:Originally posted by Outback69: I do have an idea for covering the "One Website for all things foot fetish" that I want to throw out there -
What if a dozen or so of the smaller websites got together and streamlined their billing so that a potential customer could essentially "join" all of the websites for one price?
I know there are probably more semantics than just billing that have to be considered, like how to split the income, updating frequency, etc. etc....
But I guess the question begs to be asked, if some of us were able to come to some sort of agreement on everything, would the foot enthusiasts out there go for an idea like this?
I am thinking of it as a "one-stop shop" covering most of the foot fetish and related sub-fetishes?
Thanks for your post, Tony!
The idea of the "one-stop shop" is actually a pretty good idea. I remember there were some website bundles a couple of years back ("join one -- have access to all") but I think they were all from one and the same producer...each site had slightly different content or different models. It was good value for money, though.
quote:Originally posted by Mikey P: i bought a couple clips that i didn't enjoy too much in the past
i don't really consider it wasting money though because if i didn't buy the clip i never would've known if it was good or not
the preview pics looked good but the clips didn't meet expectations
So Mikey, what exactly do you look for in a clip?
i bought a foot worship clip from silvercherry and the dude talks too much and makes really annoying comments, i don't want to hear the guy talk
some of the clips where the girls model, they look uncomfortble or keep repeating the same thing like "want to lick my feet" throughout the clip
Dude, some of the guys in these clips are annoying. Also, some of the models just don't get it. I guess it goes back to what Hal said about being a specialist.
On a side note, however, I don't think it's that hard to get non porn actresses "regular" women to do footjobs. Most of the material I've ever bought was of "regular" chicks and the few clips I have in my archive are of "regular" chicks. It's really a matter of money and approach. I'd say approach is even more important. I mean you can almost compare getting models to dating -- if you can get the woman into you first, then propositioning her for sex or in our case foot related work, well, your pretty much good to go. Of course it's easier said than done, but getting started and building a rotation is the hard part.
Also, demographics plays a big part too. For example, I live in Hollywood right in the heart of LA. Finding "regular" girls who are looking for alternative and/or supplemental ways to make ends meet is not hard at all. They are literally everywhere, it all comes down to who is going to approach them with the winning spiel. Second living in a metropolis, things like feet and footjobs is nothing compared to all the freaky shit that women here are propositioned for. My point is women are more likely to shrug off foot worship and footjob desires as mild, harmless, and something they would actually do (especially for money) after the last five guys wanted to piss on them, shit on them, doubly penetrate them, or asphyxiate them.
I've found personally that when I mention my foot fetish to women in SoCal who have lived here for a while they think nothing of it. They have likely seen, heard or done way more freaky stuff.
BTW, I usually pay out very little per hour (>100) to models (under the premise I will just be taking pictures of their feet) and more often than not, once they really see how fun and enjoyable working with me is, that I'm normal guy with a decent personality, that I have a life and am into more than just feet -- they become the curious ones and things like foot worship and footjobs becomes something they typically want to try as I'm explaining to them FAQ why feet, and what I like to do with them. Again easier said than done, but soooo doable.
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Oh yeah, Hal, your site rocks. Unfortunately, if I'm going to pay money for material I usually only pony up for footjob and foot worship clips. But if just foot modeling did it for me, your site would be on my list.
Also, I respect that you keep your site "clean" of porn. I too have aspirations to separate my content. Anything bearing The High Arch Analyst copyright will never be X-rated.
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After reading ozboy's post, I realized I suffer from a similar dilemma. However, it's quite the opposite of what he described.
I'm one of those guys who can't seem to get enough "Eye Candy" ~ So I found myself signing up for multiple subscriptions. Don't get me wrong--I enjoyed every single one of 'em....I just wanted more!!! Needless to say, it did a number on my finances.
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