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I update once a week, but they are either full image sets with .zip files or 10-30 minutes of HD Video. Considering that I have over $10,0000.00 worth of money tied into paying my models, I would say 29.95 a month is fair.
Or the 160Gb. of Video in the Members Area. Without the multiple formats, 50Gb. of whatever files you want.
But we are in a recession, people are broke, you will see lots more membership sites closing up before it's all over. Running my foot fetish and pantyhose/nylon indexes, I have dropped over 40 membership sites just this year so far, as they have all just went away.
For example, I have over 1100 sites indexed on Digitalivasonline.com and I have dropped 123 sites so far this year, that is over 10 percent of my entire index. I have been in adult since 1999, and have never seen so many people just closing up shop and saying "fuck it".
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I find Clips4Sale to be far too expensive for what it is.
Also, the stinginess of the previews amounts to what I think is a scam. Many times I've bought a clip based on the preview only to find that the other 99% of the video is something I would never have paid for (e.g. bad angles, too little focus on soles, too much time spent with socks on etc.).
Buying a clip should never be a lottery. There should never be luck involved when I'm parting with my hard-earned money. Screen caps should be MANDATORY for every clip on sale.
Until they reduce the price and/or give fair previews I will never buy from C4S again.
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yeah i see the screencaps that some store owners do, I always thought it was nice to do the little preview to get a look at the quality of my video. Point taken though.
quote:Originally posted by Sol: I find Clips4Sale to be far too expensive for what it is.
Also, the stinginess of the previews amounts to what I think is a scam. Many times I've bought a clip based on the preview only to find that the other 99% of the video is something I would never have paid for (e.g. bad angles, too little focus on soles, too much time spent with socks on etc.).
Buying a clip should never be a lottery. There should never be luck involved when I'm parting with my hard-earned money. Screen caps should be MANDATORY for every clip on sale.
Until they reduce the price and/or give fair previews I will never buy from C4S again.
I agree, though I am not willing to turn away from clips4sale forever. It is the lesser of two evils compared to membership sites.
I especially agree about how buying a clip should not be like a lottery. I use this FREE thumbnail generator to create jpgs from movies that has screenshots of each frame, six rows six columns. I do that for archiving purposes on my own computer, yet producers can't do that to let people know exactly what it is they're buying? Seems strange to me. And while some producers may do it, clips4sale does not. Ironically, images4sale does. Can't have people buying the wrong photos.
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I can't believe that many people still pay for porn, when there is so much out there for free. Everything you want, from every source you want. And part of the problem is this whole "recurring membership" scam. Or, at least that is what it feels like. I am interested in seeing some of your content, and I'd be willing to maybe pay a little if the quality of what you are offering is especially good. So why do I have to give you my credit card info, and sign up for essentially a long term arrangement with you? We all remember the horror stories of trying to cancel these things and not being able to - or not reading the fine print to see that if you don't cancel by 11:59 of a certain day that you are paying for another month anyway. Webmasters love hooking people on these recurring memberships in the hopes that you forget about it, and they can keep charging you and charging you. For what? Some porn, or some pictures of feet? No thanks.
One site I know of had a 4 day membership for around $12, and it was nonrecurring. In fact, you didn't even need a credit card (you could pay by phone or checking acct). I liked that, so I joined a few times over the year to check out what was new. But only when I wanted to, and felt like there was some value in what I was buying.
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quote:I can't believe that many people still pay for porn, when there is so much out there for free. Everything you want, from every source you want.
If you`re into mainstream porn, yes. But not if you`re a sophisticated foot connoisseur ... and it gets even more complicated if you have multiple cross-fetishes -- some of that stuff is even difficult to find on any member sites or C4S store. But finding it for free is almost impossible.
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This is an interesting discussion. I've been considering starting a membership site only because I want to be able to make longer length videos and still have them be reasonably priced. C4S doesn't allow much wiggle room when it comes to pricing videos. I've been mulling this over for the last month or so but probably won't get it up and running till the bf/regular foot guy moves in and we can consistently create new content every week.
What do y'all think about the idea of having both available on one site. Meaning - a membership would be available but individual clips could also be purchased (and priced more competitively than C4S).
quote:Originally posted by jammasterjay: I can't believe that many people still pay for porn, when there is so much out there for free. Everything you want, from every source you want. And part of the problem is this whole "recurring membership" scam. Or, at least that is what it feels like. I am interested in seeing some of your content, and I'd be willing to maybe pay a little if the quality of what you are offering is especially good. So why do I have to give you my credit card info, and sign up for essentially a long term arrangement with you? We all remember the horror stories of trying to cancel these things and not being able to - or not reading the fine print to see that if you don't cancel by 11:59 of a certain day that you are paying for another month anyway. Webmasters love hooking people on these recurring memberships in the hopes that you forget about it, and they can keep charging you and charging you. For what? Some porn, or some pictures of feet? No thanks.
One site I know of had a 4 day membership for around $12, and it was nonrecurring. In fact, you didn't even need a credit card (you could pay by phone or checking acct). I liked that, so I joined a few times over the year to check out what was new. But only when I wanted to, and felt like there was some value in what I was buying.
Do you think that women just call us everyday and offer to get naked on camera for free? Why the fuck should I be giving you free shit when every shoot I do costs me 300-600 bucks?!? I'm not attacking you man, but that is just stupid. And you wonder why sites keep closing and closing. Maybe in 2-3 years when you have nothing new to jerk off to, you will "get it".
XSells are what your talking about and I agree that it's one of the things that have put the online adult industry in a rut. I was a surfer before I was a webmaster and I got fucked over too. Had to even change a credit card number once, ridiculous! CCBill, does not do that. Nor do other merchant vendors. That ended for the most part 2-3 years ago. I know of many, many people that run indexes and directories and we won't even deal with sites that do that shit.
As far as recurring, if you dig it, why not if they are updating on a regular basis. I would say that 60-70 percent of fetish sites are run out of the webmasters home. You figure in the costs to host, edit, shoot, post produce and book the model and what your really doing for the mom and pop sites are supporting them. Sometimes, it means making that car payment, not having to pawn shit for a shoot. Digging them, supporting them and allowing them to grow to continue to produce stuff that you love and cum all over yourself too. I just don't know how that is "fucking you over" nor do i understand this "self entitlement" bullshit that you "derserve" to get all of our shit for free. Torrents, passcrack sites and copyright infringment is stealing, end of story.
Sometimes, I will even join some of my sponsors that have awesome stuff, I don't really surf the member area, maybe for a couple of promo pics, but you will never know how much some of these good hearted people that do these sites appreciate the suppport and the money to continue to do what they do.
Why even call this a "community" when people have mindsets like that. I see it from both sides. People emailing me to put them on footpervert.com so that they can make the rent. wanting a spot on Digitaldivas so they can feed their kids. Sorry, but stupid shit like this really pisses me off. Most webmasters, especially niche webmasters are paycheck to paycheck at the most.
quote: Considering that I have over $10,0000.00 worth of money tied into paying my models
Is that $10,000 or $100,000? The comma is at a weird place...
-Hal-
I have spent approx 35k on Beautifulfeetonline.com since it launched in 2005. My trip in April, shooting in 7 southern states to Miami and Back to Denver will be a 13k trip. I'm not cheap and really want to eventually have foot models from every state in my members area. I'm taking the U.S. in chunks and as I can afford it. But it has always been a dream of mine to do this.
Well said, but probably won't make a difference. I used to defend that side, but learned it's easier to focus your time and effort on the people who already understand that. This is why I throw people a bone every once in a while with my contests for free membership time on my site.
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Fiona, you took the words out of my mouth about this being an interesting discussion. I believe Lil Miss Leah had the two options on her site you mentioned. As long as you can find a host, I think it is a good idea. You will need to market more than if you had a C4S store.
Beautifulfeet...your site is one that clearly shows its' breadth and depth based on the preview. WIth your new pantyhose focus, I am hooked. Heck, I can tell you use high quality glass like californiabeachfeet and Patrick. That stuff ain't cheap. I pay for good work.
I don't get the recurring membership deal. Yes, five years ago, there were sites that would stop working as soon as you cancelled. But I haven't seen that in years. I surmise that was probable the web host/billing company scheme and not the content provider anyway. Plus, it is easy to set reminders on your computer to tell you to cancel.
Lastly, I think most people think that since a digital photog's only expense after the camera is a one-time CF or SD card, the photos and/or memberships should cost next to nothing. Same goes for the digital video cameras. This is the farthest from the truth. Some of these webmasters are busting their asses. It is easy to which ones aren't mailing it in. Gotta pay for the service and the effort.
I personally lost interest in memberships until Elizabethsfeet came along. Now I appreciate good still photos. If a site has good, large photos, I'll grab a membership.
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yeah, that was what I am saying, and I am not mean, really I'm not. The greatest thing as a fetishist I have ever done, was to have an outlet. To catalogue beautiful feet on my indexes. To put people out there. Catalogue them on my paysites. Women from all over the world who have these gifts need to know how beautiful they are in the eyes of a fetishist. It is imperative for me. ...It's all I think about. I wish I could turn myself "off" sometimes.
And who am I kidding, if I did not have Aragorn, Nighthawk, Winnie, Miss M, Natalie's Jungle, IFON, FM Concepts Enchanted Foot, Wu and other cool people way back in the day to direct me and put my stuff out there when I was beginning, it would have just killed me. That is why community is so important to me and why I defend it so fiercely I guess. No disrespect to jammasterjay, was just saying...
quote:Originally posted by Beautifulfeetonline.com: You figure in the costs to host, edit, shoot, post produce and book the model and what your really doing for the mom and pop sites are supporting them. Sometimes, it means making that car payment, not having to pawn shit for a shoot. Digging them, supporting them and allowing them to grow to continue to produce stuff that you love and cum all over yourself too. I just don't know how that is "fucking you over" nor do i understand this "self entitlement" bullshit that you "derserve" to get all of our shit for free. Torrents, passcrack sites and copyright infringment is stealing, end of story.
this is so true and it is sad what the state of gratefulness has turned into since the days of scarce smut.
people are fat dumb and happy with their current state of indulgence. it is sad what the average enthusiast has turned into nowadays: non-contributive, whiney, undeserving b*tches.
they woulda starved for feet if they were surfing back in the mid-late 90s. and in fact, i'd be willing to bet they are starved for feet in real life. they screw themselves in the end, and I don't just mean that figuratively. basically, what comes around goes around.
they need to learn to respect those contributers who work hard for them. the "they" i'm referring to is the hoardes of whiney self-entitled crybabies who feel like they are owed something.
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quote:Originally posted by jammasterjay: I can't believe that many people still pay for porn, when there is so much out there for free. Everything you want, from every source you want. And part of the problem is this whole "recurring membership" scam. Or, at least that is what it feels like. I am interested in seeing some of your content, and I'd be willing to maybe pay a little if the quality of what you are offering is especially good. So why do I have to give you my credit card info, and sign up for essentially a long term arrangement with you? We all remember the horror stories of trying to cancel these things and not being able to - or not reading the fine print to see that if you don't cancel by 11:59 of a certain day that you are paying for another month anyway. Webmasters love hooking people on these recurring memberships in the hopes that you forget about it, and they can keep charging you and charging you. For what? Some porn, or some pictures of feet? No thanks.
One site I know of had a 4 day membership for around $12, and it was nonrecurring. In fact, you didn't even need a credit card (you could pay by phone or checking acct). I liked that, so I joined a few times over the year to check out what was new. But only when I wanted to, and felt like there was some value in what I was buying.
What he said. Some of us don't feel we're "owed" something or "entitled" for whatever reason.
Blame the others who are offering it for free, not those who take it.
If you don't like it, find another career that pays.
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