quote: Hal- it would cut our family income in half... lol Basically all healthcare workers/doctors would get paid crappier than they already are. Anyone in the field from direct patient care providers to management and office staff.
Healthcare workers would get paid low, and therefore there would be no incentive for them to work harder, more efficient, or even offer services that are so readily available at this point. Not to mention there would be waiting lists for many services that people can get scheduled in 3 days here. I have heard of places that to get a basic lap. cholecystectomy takes 6 months or more, when here in the US you walk into the ER, have a flair up of a stone, and get the surgery that day. To someone in pain, waiting isnt a great option.
And LD- if its taking you 3months to get in with your primary- get a new one. I live in an area of millions of people and I can call and get in that afternoon. No one should wait like that! lol
That is absolutely true regarding universal healthcare and elective or even urgent proceedures. Again, working in a hospital 30 minutes from the Canadian border we had people who would pay out of pocket to come to the US to get something done that would otherwise take months in Canada. Another very true is example is that one of my wife's relatives is currently waiting 2 months to have his bladder removed for bladder cancer. Seems that you may want that done a little quicker.
Regarding the notion that if we had universal health care people would all just go to their doctors, that is a load of crap. In Illinois all kids have insurance (at least state aid) and yet many are taken to walk-in clinics or ERs for mundane, non-emergent conditions because parents don't want to deal with the responsibility of an appointment or pay the 2-4 dollar co-pay to see their doctors. This, by the way, is why people wait so long in waiting rooms at emergnecy departments.
Finally, if we want to provide cost effective healthcare to 300 million Americans (plus some illegal immigrants) then we need one more thing that Obama and his liberal buddies refuse to do...and that is tort reform. You can not expect doctors and health care facilities to provide affordible health care when every patient who is just slightly unhappy with anything threatens to sue. I'm not saying to do away with lawsuits because they are necessary in cases of gross negligence, but we need to do away with frivilous suits and lottery sized awards. The problem is that trial lawyer associations have been padding the wallets of liberal for years to prevent legislation controlling (not eliminating) lawsuits. You talk about a lobby group with a lot of money as well as knowledge of politics and law....
The fact is that something needs to be done with healthcare. I just don't think that government funded, controlled healthcare for a country of 300 million people (plus a number of illegal immigrants) is feasible at this time.
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Getting back to the original topic: I think people are beginning to see MC Cain's choice of running mate for what she really is- a replacement for the "Hillary Vote". The people of this country are not stupid. McCain passed up a lot of more experienced candidates for one that would serve two purposes. 1) get the "Hillary vote". 2) Her lack of experience will make it easy for his party to manipulate her in Washington. I agree with footgirl, she should go home and devote her life to her children.
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I personally have no problem with any man or woman of any race or religion running for president. I just think that Sarah Palin is being "used" to try to fulfill someone else's agenda.
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Standing behind abstract words like "change" and "hope" is a very easy thing to do, but the actual application of that act, and the competency behind it is an entirely different matter.
With that being said, Obama says a lot of things that would be great. Who wouldn't want free healthcare, college, everything else? But, what's going to pay for that?
My step father is a doctor. If Obama goes into power, he is taxed and loses half of his pay, also due to socialist healthcare. My step father is not the owner a fortune 500 company, he goes to work like everyone else five days a week.
With that said, I'm sticking with McCain. He does not backdown. I think this shows in the fact he was tortured for two years until he could no longer raise his arms above his head and his hair turned white.
Obama wishes to speak to our enemies without preconditions. That's what Jimmy Carter did, and it failed miserably (after winning the Nobel Peace Prize, of course).
quote:Originally posted by sofatater: I personally have no problem with any man or woman of any race or religion running for president. I just think that Sarah Palin is being "used" to try to fulfill someone else's agenda.
How could anyone attempt to pick Sarah Palin to attract disgruntled Hillary voters? Palin couldn't fill Clinton's shoes in 50 years and if McCain wins to know that she's only a heartbeat away from running the country scares the crap out of me.
I mean everyone knows George W. Bush is a moron and imbecile, but he surrounded himself with some some knowledgeable people (I stress SOME), wither you agree with their polices or not.
This woman likens looking out her window and seeing Russia, gives her Foreign Affairs credentials. Given the fact that she lives in Juneau and the geography, she probably sees British Columbia.
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I think one of the major issues is that we don't really know enough about Obama. He has no real experience, he has ties to a domestic terrorist, and if you listen to his speaches he doesn't really say anything. I get the impression that he just says what people want to hear, whats popular. I think he's saying some great things but I'm afraid of him. He's too unproven. As far as things staying the same in Washington, no way. I don't think it really matters who wins the election the bottom line is things will change. I think Obama is in something he doesn't really understand. He's talked about all the advisors he's going to have. He needs them. I don't see that he has enough working knowledge of International politics/ economics, foreign policy, military matters and the overall judicial process in this country to run the show as President. I just don't feel like he can be trusted.
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And George W. had all that experience and knowledge of international politics, economics, foreign policy, military matters, and the overall judicial process in this country when he took the office?
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The times make the president so we won't know until 4 + years from now. The market wants Obama - if anyone wants to retire one friggin' day. I guess I'll be 80 shooting long toes to supplement my SS and RMD.
And for the record, and 2 wrongs don't make a right, but the Dems (Sen Dodd, the finance chair @ the time and Barnie Frank) turned the other cheek when the former Sec of the Treasury called Bullshit on "affordable housing" eg sub prime and easy credit in 2003 and 2004. And wanted to step up an oversight committee over the GSEs. He was crucified for such questioning of Freddy and Fannie and look at them now.
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In watching the debate this past Wed. I saw how out of touch McCain is with the country. Obama was poised had bullet point precise answers to taxes, education, social security, and foreign policy. Then the week when the stock market turned into a yo-yo, McCain tells us not to worry one day, then the next its hold to your ass. WTF?
This guilt by association ploy that McCain and Palin is trying to push is complete bullshit. One of the questions I have that the press never seems to press McCain on is why he voted as recently as 1990, against making MLK a recognized holiday in his state. And now as of today he said he was wrong for voting that way. Ok fine, what has changed between 1990 and now that caused the about face? Other than the fact he's running for President.
Also, why doesn't the Obama camp trounce Palin and her husband on wanting to be separatist for Alaska to separate from the union? How Anti-American is that?
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quote:Originally posted by The_FJCruiser: I think one of the major issues is that we don't really know enough about Obama. He has no real experience, he has ties to a domestic terrorist, and if you listen to his speaches he doesn't really say anything. I get the impression that he just says what people want to hear, whats popular. I think he's saying some great things but I'm afraid of him. He's too unproven. As far as things staying the same in Washington, no way. I don't think it really matters who wins the election the bottom line is things will change. I think Obama is in something he doesn't really understand. He's talked about all the advisors he's going to have. He needs them. I don't see that he has enough working knowledge of International politics/ economics, foreign policy, military matters and the overall judicial process in this country to run the show as President. I just don't feel like he can be trusted.
Experience doesn't necessarily matter as with Bill Clinton he focused his campaign in 1993 around change, and he came out with a proven track record that went from a recessive economy to one of the absolute best in any point in American history, but there is a difference between Obama and Clinton's campaign - Clinton emphasized some of his highlights as governor of Arkansas and proven statistics of improvment within his state. I believe Obama should start emphasizing what he has done as an Illinois senator.
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"And George W. had all that experience and knowledge of international politics, economics, foreign policy, military matters, and the overall judicial process in this country when he took the office?"
Well, his FATHER was Vice-President for 8 years and President for 4 years. Don't ya think Dad shared some things with his son over that 12 year span? Also, GW was Governor of the state of Texas. Isn't this all about as close as you can get to experience without actually being elected?
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quote:Originally posted by Second Timer: Well, his FATHER was Vice-President for 8 years and President for 4 years. Don't ya think Dad shared some things with his son over that 12 year span? Also, GW was Governor of the state of Texas. Isn't this all about as close as you can get to experience without actually being elected?
So does George W. Bush apparently.
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