quote: Of course they do not. What they earn is beer money (if something at all), which makes me think that the main reason for some to keep doing it is for indulging their own fetish or as a hobby - both seem to be very valid reasons, hopefully based on the very well thought decision of putting that much effort into it because, you know, you only live once.
Making money is what the guy from wikifeet is doing, which allowed him to quit his job and make a living of it.
Also making money is what some Instagram girls do with their few thousands monthly income - what you called a pat on the back - and making a living of it.
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You're still assuming whatever paid sites that still are operational are only making "beer money". I don't think you can say that with certainty, only a personal opinion. I've had the discussion with one photographer at a foot party who still claims the pay site model is lucrative enough to supplement half of his income.
Pat on the back is the 20k subscriber number the individual model can look at at the top of her page, it's just an ego stroking irrelevancy when only a couple hundred have ever initiated contact beyond "following" her page. If the cheap guys are afraid of plopping $30/month down for a pay site, what makes you think they'll pay $50 just to initiate dialog with a Twitter girl?
quote:Originally posted by Sauvage: I've had the discussion with one photographer at a foot party who still claims the pay site model is lucrative enough to supplement half of his income.
Which photographer was this?
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Just my two cents in the debate. I cannot speak for the other vendors (I have no access to their balance sheets), but after launching BAREFOOT NUDITY and BAREFOOT URBAN GIRLS in late 2013 (and hence way after the end of the "Golden Age" of old-style paysites), I quickly realised that both sites would never go beyond a way to self-fund both my hobby (that is, producing foot-themed erotica) and my summer holidays abroad with a barefoot beauty to keep me "company".. The reasons for that are many. Ordinary Joes & Plain Janes flooding the web with free foot-themed material. Instagram foot girls, Twitter foot girls, Facebook foot girls, what-the-heck foot girls selling foot-themed material in countless ways, including several platforms such as Patreon, clips4sale, etc. And above all, pirate sites which rip off legit paysites, and make their content available for a fee. In a nutshell.. if I did not think that running an old-style paysite is still a cool hobby in spite of the aforementioned pains in the ass (from a vendor's standpoint, of course).. my sites would be offline since long ago.
quote:Originally posted by Feetosopher: Just my two cents in the debate. I cannot speak for the other vendors (I have no access to their balance sheets), but after launching BAREFOOT NUDITY and BAREFOOT URBAN GIRLS in late 2013 (and hence way after the end of the "Golden Age" of old-style paysites), I quickly realised that both sites would never go beyond a way to self-fund both my hobby (that is, producing foot-themed erotica) and my summer holidays abroad with a barefoot beauty to keep me "company".. The reasons for that are many. Ordinary Joes & Plain Janes flooding the web with free foot-themed material. Instagram foot girls, Twitter foot girls, Facebook foot girls, what-the-heck foot girls selling foot-themed material in countless ways, including several platforms such as Patreon, clips4sale, etc. And above all, pirate sites which rip off legit paysites, and make their content available for a fee. In a nutshell.. if I did not think that running an old-style paysite is still a cool hobby in spite of the aforementioned pains in the ass (from a vendor's standpoint, of course).. my sites would be offline since long ago.
That sounds like a very common sense perspective, I'm hoping that the rest of the old pay sites are also enjoying what they do as a hobby as well as make a few bucks for the service they provide. Though I'm not as much a dirty foot fan as some, I can still appreciate your content.
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I seldom ever purchase content these days, as I personally find the majority of it boring and not to my taste. Most of them are all the same. The overwhelming majority of the BHE sites on this forum for instance do nothing for me personally. In order for one to stand out to me, it has to have a unique dynamic to it and offer something that sets it apart, where it’s essentially the only one of its kind. Consequently, there’s only a select few sites (clips4sale or other) that I’ll buy something from now and then because I like their content.
Other than that, I pretty much steer clear. Same with the IG “goddesses.” That schtick is way overblown in my opinion. Even that aside, I’ve only seen maybe two or three whose feet I actually like.
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Interesting comments. I'm wondering if those creating work through photography copyright their work? feetosopher mentions pirating which is always a concern in the internet age. Does copyright help? I have seen pictures that are signed by their creator, and identified by some copyright statement. Does that stop pirating? Does copyrighting a business help as well?
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quote:Originally posted by Feetosopher: Just my two cents in the debate. I cannot speak for the other vendors (I have no access to their balance sheets), but after launching BAREFOOT NUDITY and BAREFOOT URBAN GIRLS in late 2013 (and hence way after the end of the "Golden Age" of old-style paysites), I quickly realised that both sites would never go beyond a way to self-fund both my hobby (that is, producing foot-themed erotica) and my summer holidays abroad with a barefoot beauty to keep me "company".. The reasons for that are many. Ordinary Joes & Plain Janes flooding the web with free foot-themed material. Instagram foot girls, Twitter foot girls, Facebook foot girls, what-the-heck foot girls selling foot-themed material in countless ways, including several platforms such as Patreon, clips4sale, etc. And above all, pirate sites which rip off legit paysites, and make their content available for a fee. In a nutshell.. if I did not think that running an old-style paysite is still a cool hobby in spite of the aforementioned pains in the ass (from a vendor's standpoint, of course).. my sites would be offline since long ago.
That sounds like a very common sense perspective, I'm hoping that the rest of the old pay sites are also enjoying what they do as a hobby as well as make a few bucks for the service they provide. Though I'm not as much a dirty foot fan as some, I can still appreciate your content.
Great to know, thank you very much! I am friends with Hal of Toes-In-Action (I mean, I know him personally), and he sure enjoys what he does.. just like me..
quote:Originally posted by blueopalfeet: Interesting comments. I'm wondering if those creating work through photography copyright their work? feetosopher mentions pirating which is always a concern in the internet age. Does copyright help? I have seen pictures that are signed by their creator, and identified by some copyright statement. Does that stop pirating? Does copyrighting a business help as well?
My experience (again, I can just speak for myself and for my sites) is that copyrighting pictures and videos may be an effective deterrent against certain pirates, but it is no magic bullet. Most pirate websites are based in countries (usually ex-SSSR ones) which have ridiculous legislation on copyright infringement. The situation allows those pirate sites to live and prosper.. there is basically nothing that can be done, in the absence of adequate legal safeguard to copyrighted material..
people and their nostalgia are funny, there are more hot girls today on instagram than there ever were running mostly lame websites, yet you guys think it was better back then?
most of the girls that i use to jack it to constantly 15 years ago don't hold a candle to the girls of today
plus today we have porn hub where we get endless videos uploaded daily, back in the so called "golden age" most didn't have videos and if they did we had dial up internet which took forever to download low quality videos, rather than streaming
some instagram girls charge too much and some are fair, i'm more than willing to pay for quality and one of them gave me videos that i honestly think are the hottest thing i've ever seen on the internet
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quote:Originally posted by blueopalfeet: Interesting comments. I'm wondering if those creating work through photography copyright their work? feetosopher mentions pirating which is always a concern in the internet age. Does copyright help? I have seen pictures that are signed by their creator, and identified by some copyright statement. Does that stop pirating? Does copyrighting a business help as well?
My experience (again, I can just speak for myself and for my sites) is that copyrighting pictures and videos may be an effective deterrent against certain pirates, but it is no magic bullet. Most pirate websites are based in countries (usually ex-SSSR ones) which have ridiculous legislation on copyright infringement. The situation allows those pirate sites to live and prosper.. there is basically nothing that can be done, in the absence of adequate legal safeguard to copyrighted material..
This. I know as far as the publishing business there's literally nothing that can be done. I've seen literal images directly from certain websites with a badly photo shopped out watermark and their own watermark pasted right over the top. There's a couple thieves on Twitter doing this.
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Times have changed for good and bad. I don't miss the old days. Most fetish type videos back in the day, feet, spanking things like this. The companies charged way too much money. What I do miss, the forums were more fun and close Knit. Now you have guys pretending to be women. Women thinking we are all desperate and trying to sell socks and pictures for crazy prices.
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As both Feetosopher and Sauvage mentioned, I think a lot has to do with copyright infringement or expiration. While most pictures and photos taken, are considered in a use of copyright to the owner, some of the porn sites or tgp sites are hubbed in countries like China, that has no care for US copyright laws. But I also think the issue is that some of these old sites, that are are long gone since before the year 2000, even, just quit and moved on with their life and don't want anything to do with their website or pictures.
For example, I had built in the contract a statement saying that I own all the photos to my site. But you know what, having thousands of photos of women's feet and toes, now 11 years after I closed my site, are useless to me. The photos are small, low resolution, and just not exciting anymore. I ended up taking them apart and cropping them up to make photo collages and such, then deleting the originals.
I know that footfetishmia, quit her site to follow her nursing career and I bet Lil Mis Leah quit her's to work on her life as well. I had 20 models on my website and as I think of it now, I think they all ended up marrying and some of them have kids and then last thing they wanted to do, was move on in their life and keep doing foot pictures. If it was profitable, and they were famous, I could see them still doing it, maybe.
But during the late 90's, I think so much original foot fetish content was created, and then spread over the internet with the watermark cropped out, that these "web findings", as they were called, that now if you see a picture, no one is certain where it originally belonged to. Especially if the original site is closed. Amateurspanishfeet? Closed. Femfeet.com? Closed. Footarlarm and removetheshoes? Closed and closed. And yeah, in theory the owners of those sites retain copyright to their images for 70 years, but how many of them just decide to relinquish it and let it go?
I think some feet producers, like instagram girls, will get old, as how many pairs of feet can you look at until you start to lose interest?
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@sauvage: there are way too many motherfXXXers on internet (including social media) who could not care less about copyright.. they basically think that they can edit and re-post at will any picture or video which they happen to find on the web, and they often claim to be the authors..
@all the dudes who argue that the Golden Age of foot-focused adult entertainment is now.. well, if you are a dude surfing the web for free stuff, surely it is.. yet if you are a producer and vendor investing time, money and mental energies into creating and marketing quality material, surely it is NOT.
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