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A thought just occured to me: How would radical feminists look upon a man's attraction to women's feet? Of course, the very fact that we look upon feet as a sexual object is enough to PO them. But then again, they might like the idea of us "grovling at their feet." What are your all's thoughts on this?
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Honestly, I could care less about what some emotionaly charged, irrational twit thinks about my attractions. It's not my problem, it's theirs.
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My mom is a radical feminist, or rather used to be. She's mellowed out in her old age, but for most of my life, I kept hearing lectures about how society was exploiting and objectifying women.
Women like her are incapable of distinguishing sex from sexual exploitation. In the radical feminist vocabulary, a woman who has sex is a woman who is being 'treated as a sex object.' Feminists who grew up in the 70s at the advent of the sexual revolution made the incorrect assumption that women were not sexual themselves and were only doing it to satisfy men.
As for feet, they probably find it less threatening. My mom doesn't know about my fetish, or at least, has never openly called me on it. When I told her I was doing yoga, I mentioned that there were lots of hot women there (barefoot) and she shook her head and muttered something about male sexism.
It is politically incorrect (by radical feminist standards) to think of a woman as beautiful, sexy, or desirable, so why should they think rationally about foot fetishists?
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Insecurity is a natural result of irrationality.
Feminists complain about the objectifying of women as if it's necissarily a bad thing. What they really mean is lets be "subjective" about the matter. Let my "feelings" of something I don't understand influence your behavior. Very few people have similar "subjective" views on such matters. The modern human should not allow his/her emotions to control their actions because this is a primitive response and we no longer have the tools for accurate emotional responses (acute sight, hearing, etc.). Instead we developed something much more powerful: reason and that means being objective.
We should let our actions control our emotions. The purpose of all my actions is the pursuit of joy. I do not let my primitive emotional response to something I don't understand limit my pursuit. I find joy in the pursuit of the female and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that so long as I don't use force as a means of achieving that joy.
Feminists and other political correctness pushers confuse facts with interpretation. When a feminist thinks about a porno, they say it treats women as sex objects. "A woman has sex with a man in a porno" is a FACT. "A woman is turned into a sex object by porn" is an INTERPRETATION.
Feminists and liberals in general are also under the mistaken impression that they have the right to never be offended. The truth is, if we truely live in a marketplace of ideas and have the freedom of speech we like to brag about, then no one has the right to stay unoffended.
The bright side, I've noticed about RADICAL feminism is that it's on the decline. Feminism is a great thing, but it's carried too far by extremists who are nothing more than man-hating dykes. But that is primarily a product of the 70s and the sexual revolution. Radical feminists that fall under the age of 40 today are few and far between. My mom says "Women don't like porn, women don't want sex, women don't like men." I've never found any woman in my age group (I'm 26) that said the same thing. Women today are much more accepting of sexuality as a shared experienced and, provided it's consensual and satisfying, something that they are free to indulge in.
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I'd love to turn that built up stress of theirs into sexual foot energy, personally. I see most of feminism as more a socially cultivated psychological issue that can be circumvented with the right mechanisms (which I've been studying in-depth for several years).
The good thing is that sexual arousal can be triggered in uniquely unapparent ways by appealing to instincts which people generally have no control over (often referred to as the "elusive obvious" in some esoteric dating circles). Underlying sexual desires cannot be repressed and neither can sleep, hunger, and other basic human needs made to fulfill some comfort equilibrium (sexual attractions being in that subset).
My take is that most feminist women do not deviate significantly on a basic human level with respect to sexual attraction triggers. Sometimes it is just a finesse of fusing their social distortions into a situation that benefits both of you (as unapparent as it may be).
It will work, so long as the feminist has sexual inclinations and as long as you are able to locate and work off of those existing triggers. These type of women can be the most rewarding in my opinion, since there usually has been so much anxiety built up from their years of repressing themselves, often to suit an unoriginal set of programmed social values.
The positive note in those situations is the differential in emotional/comfort zone equilibrium that you can cause by taking them from uptight to totally cool and relaxed. Many of those women might be fond of how that calmed-down state of mind used to feel when they were younger (ie. less uptight and relaxed). That, conceptually, is one top level strategy to use to level your courting field with feminists.
There can be enormous potential in using an "emotional highs & lows" strategy to your favor. The massive difference in change in emotional state is very powerful in making people do dramatically different things than their norm (be it positive or negative, usually correspondinlgy to the direction of the emotional change).
Look at the behavioural state of people who lost everything in Katrina and look at the behavioural state of a person who lived through a car accident that should've definitely killed them. Often, the larger the difference in emotional state, the more potential energy in the outcome. Use it to everyone's advantage when you can! This can be done by making a feminist feel truly comfortable with her sexual inclinations again. Start to de-program her force fed ethics with new original perspective on any subject matter that will start to build a common bond between the two of you.
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quote:Originally posted by logo29a: Honestly, I could care less about what some emotionaly charged, irrational twit thinks about my attractions. It's not my problem, it's theirs.
Sums up what I think quite nicely.
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quote:Originally posted by wiggler: Feminists and other political correctness pushers confuse facts with interpretation.
ALL "facts" involve judgement and interpretation. Those who maintain the status quo don't realize that they're making an interpretation, because their interpretation has become so mainstream. To deny that politics has anything to do with some issue, is one of the most politically charged comments you can make.
(The above was directed at wiggler's comment, but the rest of my post is not directed at him specifically, it's for everyone.)
A couple of things for all to keep in mind. First, there are many different types of feminists. Liberal feminists are different from lesbian separatist feminists, and both are different from Marxist feminists. There is no one feminism that has one particular view on some subject.
Second, rather than just sit here and criticize something without understanding it (a sign of irrationality and insecurity, as has already been mentioned), if you want to know what different types of feminists believe about something, why not ASK THEM?
I mean really now. I'm still sexist in many ways, but I'm at least open to hearing someone tell me in what ways I'm sexist, and trying to do something about it.
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i can see where they could have been coming from for WAAAY backin the day, like when they actually didnt have the right to vote and stuff like that. women have been betrayed in some powerful ways throughout human history. the bible, which i think MOST americans at least base a lot of their religious beliefs, has proved to be a vehicle (the new testament) of one of the most unfair schemes against women in history. mary magdalene was 'decided' to be dangerous to the version of the whole story of jesus by the people (men in charge) for whom it served better to delete her significance, and downplay all of the female desciples' roles to jesus, when the most significant evidence about magdalene is the excact opposite. (and this is nothing to Islam's downplay of womens' importance). i do think its a tragedy how history has portrayed women as very much secondary beings to men, being that i think its rediculous and firmly believe in the union of the masculine and the feminine. however, modern feminism is the same as most things like it that dwell on past events, it is mostly made up of frustrated women with troubles in their own lives who are desparatelt trying to squeeze whatever mysoginist juice they can out of anything. my .02
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quote: the bible, which i think MOST americans at least base a lot of their religious beliefs, has proved to be a vehicle (the new testament) of one of the most unfair schemes against women in history.
What makes you only mention the New Testament guitardrew? Go read the Old Testament too! For better or worse, women weren't thought very highly of in those writings either. But then, for that matter, Gentiles, male or female, weren't spoken very nicely of at all, and us Gentiles make up a HUGE percentage of the population of the world! So really, the Bible discriminates equally!
quote: there are many different types of feminists. Liberal feminists are different from lesbian separatist feminists, and both are different from Marxist feminists. There is no one feminism that has one particular view on some subject.
Very good point bbbbbbbbbbguy. I know I for one am guilty of holding ALL feminists in contempt in the past, but I've learned over the years that not all feminists hate hate men and suffer severe cases of penis-envy. However, I think what needs to be done to correct this on a larger scale would be some of these more lenient and realistic feminist groups to disassociate themselves from the "feminist" tag all together. We tend to think in language, so for most of us, to hear the title "feminist", a red flag goes up automatically. Most folks wouldn't take the time to hear different idealogies out, so naturally the prejudgement continues.
Christians tend to face similar problems, and I should know since I'm one myself. People get so wrapped up in hearing the Pat Robertson's, Jack Van Impe's, and Oral Roberts' of the world that they'll tend to think that all Christians are band-wagon riding self-appointed moral watchdogs that love "Dubya", but nothing is further from the truth.
Oh well...that's a whole other can of worms.
As for the subject at hand, I don't care either way what some member of N.O.W. or whatever thinks about my desires. If they're self-hating and filled with anger to begin with, there's no pleasing them anyway.
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