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...no baby mama drama to worry about, and no stds to worry about

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Some pretty powerful reasons for sure! However, a more "experienced" girl is more apt to try new and different things as long as she has no major hang-ups about her feet.
 

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Posted by ginuwine (Member # 5638) on :
 
I know from my own experiences that both actually took to it the same, my girlfriend, is a virgin, and she loves to participate in foot activities, including foot jobs, sucking and pictures for my enjoyment. my girlfriend now is 18. My ex which is now 27, was more experienced on sex as a whole, alot more, and they both took to it equally
 

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Posted by LeDaemon (Member # 198) on :
 
It really depends on the individual. My first girlfriend was very experienced sexually and gave a footjob and blowjob on our first "date." My wife was a virgin when we first met and I got her to give me a footjob on our first date.

I think its more or less up to the guy to let the woman know what he wants up front. If she's into you you can be sure to get to the feet pretty quick virgin or otherwise.
 

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Posted by blackHxC88 (Member # 15094) on :
 
i would think a non-vigin would be up for it a hell of alot more. but i wouldn't know
 

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Posted by feetluvr (Member # 1570) on :
 

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I would think a non-vigin would be up for it a hell of alot more.

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Certainly could argue that they might be more "teach-able" because they've not experienced much yet sexually. How do they know that footjobs aren't an every day facet of sex with most people? Can't you hear yourself saying (with a straight face of course)"everybody does this now-a-days baby"
 

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Posted by RPM (Member # 2895) on :
 
the main difference between virgins and non-virgins... is one had sex.. the other didn't. that is it.

everything else revolves around past experience, personality, preferences, life experience, and outlook on life.

i'm a virgin.. but from what i've lived through.. i could almost convince someone i wasn't. i'm more open minded than most non-virgins i know. (may not count being a guy and all)

i've met non-virgins who know everything about sex.. but nothing about what makes a man happy. i've met non-virgins who will do whatever it takes to make their men happy. i've met virgins who feel the same way.. and also virgins who rather never loose their virginity, let alone try anything else.

so.. it's a complicated issue. i think virgins will be more open to anything new, not because you could teach them what you want, but because they've not gotten hurt sexually before.

most non-virgins who told me they'd not do much for a guy... were hurt by a guy sexually or emotionally. most non-virgins didn't not have as many chances to get hurt (depending on the age of course)

but.. all that figuring changes as the woman matures too. the older.. the more mature.. the more she knows herself.. and the more she'll tell you up front if she'll do it or not. less games to play.. but also.. much harder to 'change her mind' from no to yes.

what i do know.. Virgins are a bit more trusting of the guy to 'teach' them and thus more apt to get hurt. however... education plays a big role in that.

i rather an open minded woman who isn't afraid of herself and trying new things.. virgin or not.. however.. being a virgin myself.. would love (will) marry a virgin. we'll both grow from scratch (though my creativity ranges far out compared to hers)

RPM
 

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Posted by AFfootdude05 (Member # 2999) on :
 
I'm a virgin also looks like that makes at least three of us.....now let's hope there's enough to go around for all of us...a profssor of mine quips that 99.9 percent of Americans are virgins...hmmmm ... anyhow it seems to be that a open-minded virgin would go aways further about feet, than a "closed-minded" non-virgin would.
 

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Posted by RPM (Member # 2895) on :
 
where is this professor from? true in the US there are more virgins than one thinks.. but that number is not as high.. must be a joke he keeps quipping

RPM

p.s. go Virgins!!!
 

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Posted by LeDaemon (Member # 198) on :
 
There's a gal I work with that's 26 years old and wears a "purity" ring. I was intrigued because I had never heard of such a thing before. When I asked her what it was about she told me that it meant she was saving herself for marriage.

Then just the other day I read a really creepy article online just about that!

No sex please, we're daddy's little girls
 

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Posted by wiggler (Member # 2240) on :
 
Thank god there's no "Born Again" virgins here. I don't judge virgins, seeing as how I had a six-year gap in my sex life once. It's just that there's this inane movement among Christian fundamentalists who want a world without fornication.

Hey, these aren't my words. "In the eyes of the most morally sensitive Person in the universe, you can be a virgin again. No matter what has happened, your past can be wiped, making you spotlessly pure. Although humanly impossible, you are fervently loved by a supernatural God whose enormous yearning to restore your virginity has driven him to spare nothing to bring this about." From http://net-burst.net/singles/virginity.htm.

So... in other words, you can have sex and still be a virgin if you pretend that God thinks you're a virgin.
 

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Posted by RPM (Member # 2895) on :
 
though i'm a conservative christian... i've heard that.. and sometimes shake my head. you're only a virgin once. after that.. you're not.

personally. as much as i'm very invovled in my faith.. if a girl tells me she's a virgin and isn't. i'm going to flip my lid and explode in "righteous" anger!!!! that is lying to me.

you can tell me you had sex.. felt it was a sin.. didn't do it again. i have much much much higher respect for you for being honest and will treat you like a "born again virgin". but don't lie to me!

I suspect the movement came to light to help raise the esteem of gals who weren't virgins who were 'marginalized' by the mainstream christians at the time. too much oppression was going on at the time.

but.. honestly.. don't say God pretends. He doesn't. I believe He does forgive. But don't lie to the saints and tell them you're something you're not.

once you lost it.. you lost it.. but.. .you can repent. (if that is the case and it applies). you can opt not to have sex until you're married (a long dry spell). but you're not a virgin.

sorry i got so carried away. i'm a very conservative christian in a lot of ways.. but don't agree with everything folks say out there. this is one of those topics.

wiggler.. i'm liking how you phrased your last comment. most folks and sadly a lot of religions preach (not in such clear words).. do what you please. sin all you want.. as long as you pretend that God doesn't see.. you're good. not true (biblically speaking)

i end my rant here.

RPM

p.s. let me highly stress... i don't care if you're a virgin or not. That is not my business. just tell me the truth and don't lie to me. i can work with the truth.. not a lie. for all I know.. if I wasn't a virgin.. i'd like to be accepte for me.. not my virginity. i just happen to be a virgin by choice (though religion was a major factor when i was a kid.. as an adult it's just a choice)
 

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Posted by lamp (Member # 19270) on :
 
i wish i was still a virgin and my first ever sexual experience was a girl getting me off with my feet! i wouldnt complain at all, infact that is one amazng fantasy!

but after having sex etc. in long term relationship i now have the confidence to involve foot fetish activity with my girlfried who isnt the type who would have initiated it on a first date.
 

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Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :
 
What gets me is those same "born again" types tell their kids "you can't have sex til you're married" and "It's a Sin to Masterbate"..well then what the hell do they do?...Usually the people spouting this rhetoric have no solution other than supress your natural human needs...whatever.. As far as the "virgin or not a virgin" foot acceptance, it really has no bearing on weather they will let you have your way with their feet or not.
 

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Posted by Lou Gojira (Member # 983) on :
 

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What gets me is those same "born again" types tell their kids "you can't have sex til you're married" and "It's a Sin to Masterbate"..well then what the hell do they do?...Usually the people spouting this rhetoric have no solution other than supress your natural human needs...whatever.

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It's interesting to note too that to my knowledge (and that's not saying much, but still) there is nothing in the Bible that condemns masturbation! I've seen many a pastor condemn masturbation, sure, but the question I have, naturally, is that if it was such an abomination in the eyes of God, wouldn't there be at least something in the Bible that addresses this issue?

I went through a phase during my teenage years where I managed to refrain from polishing the one-eyed gopher (the decision wasn't based entirely on religious conviction though), and I can tell you from personal experience that whenever I tried lifting anything really heavy, or just strained excessively in doing something physical, it felt like I'd been kicked right square in the nuts. This alone was proof to me that NEVER releasing those testicular toxins that tend to back up on you is actually more harmful than good.

I think it's sad and regretful that a lot of young people in religious circles...heck, probably a lot of older people in these circles too...are buffalo'd by their religious leaders into thinking that masturbation, and for that matter sexual fantasies as well, are sins. I can understand wanting to live your life the right way and everything, but like you pointed out Brother Wrinklesguy they tend to put people between a rock and a hard place already by laying down this kinda' rhetoric...and then make it worse by not even offering or discussing a viable alternative!

Seriously...what is an unmarried person supposed to do? Fornication is a sin and adultery is a sin...no arguements here...but folks can't rely on wet-dreams for their releases forever...that kinda' stuff tends to end with the teenage years.

Sorry I got going on a rant here, I just wanted to clarify for a minute that the condemnation for masturbation is not based on the Bible (and I'm not saying you implied this Wrinklesguy)...just so folks don't erroneously think otherwise...please excuse this interruption.
 

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Posted by RPM (Member # 2895) on :
 
i agree with the point you make MissMckenzie.

Lou, I don't have the chance to look up the text in the Bible that is quoted to say masterbation is bad for you. There is only one text that says it's bad to shed your seed on the soil. Never called it a sin.. but suggested it wasn't a great idea. Most scholars believe it was a cultural reference that has moral implications.. but what those are.. highly debated.

now.. you asked how one can do without masterbating. medically.. it can be done and is documented to be done with no ill effects.

I, for one, don't masterbate. Never did. Have no plans on it ever. I'm in my 30's too. It wasn't religious obligations either. just never saw the appeal. to me.. that means.. i'm pleasing myself and wanting more of what I can't have (the girl). so to avoid frustrating myself.. i don't do it. it's a mental thing (truthfully) not a biological thing.

i'll stop on the religious slant here... the topic is going smooth as is...

I really like your point MissMckenzie

RPM
 

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Posted by Lou Gojira (Member # 983) on :
 

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Lou, I don't have the chance to look up the text in the Bible that is quoted to say masterbation is bad for you. There is only one text that says it's bad to shed your seed on the soil. Never called it a sin.. but suggested it wasn't a great idea. Most scholars believe it was a cultural reference that has moral implications.. but what those are.. highly debated.

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i'll stop on the religious slant here... the topic is going smooth as is...

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Good idea...and I apologize for side-tracking the topic to this degree. I'll leave religion alone for the rest of this thread myself.

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now.. you asked how one can do without masterbating. medically.. it can be done and is documented to be done with no ill effects.

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I'd like to see some of this documentation some time if you wouldn't mind posting it and if you've got access to it, please. Maybe my particular case of "blue balls" was an exception to the norm, but I'm being totally honest when I tell you that when my boys backed up on me those jokers really hurt!

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I, for one, don't masterbate. Never did. Have no plans on it ever. I'm in my 30's too. It wasn't religious obligations either. just never saw the appeal. to me.. that means.. i'm pleasing myself and wanting more of what I can't have (the girl). so to avoid frustrating myself.. i don't do it. it's a mental thing (truthfully) not a biological thing.

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That's cool Brother...mind over matter...and if this decision works for you then more power to you.

I never meant to imply that it was *impossible* for guys to go extended length's of time without "releasing", I was just saying that if frustration or pain really kicks in for the unmarried population, then there was nothing morally wrong with masturbating. I could be wrong about that of course...I'm no authority on anything by a longshot...but I've done some homework on this and will believe this until somebody shows me otherwise.

As a final note to this post, I'd like to give a very deep and heartfelt congratulations to the real men that don't think of their virginity as a handicap, and have stepped forward to proclaim it! I can remember a time when most any guy out there would've taken a bullet to his knee cap before admitting to something like this...but there is no shame at all in being a virgin. Truth be told, I honestly wish I'd held out until I found that one special love of my life! It would've made everything so much more complete with that one perfect woman...
 

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Posted by RPM (Member # 2895) on :
 
cool post Lou.

I decided to edit my text and wait until my research is complete. that way.. i don't take more posts away from the topic.

RPM

[ March 29, 2007, 04:55 PM: Message edited by: RPM ]
 

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Posted by LeDaemon (Member # 198) on :
 
Out of curiosity RPM you must have a lot of "wet dreams" if you have never punched the clown.

A buddy of mine claimed that at one time he had never masturbated, but had wet dreams fairly frequently. He was brought up in an ultra religious upbringing where masturbation was considered a sin. I believe it was referred to as "self abuse" when I used to go to Sunday school as a kid. Well, being raised the repressed little puritan finally backfired as he became a real male whore after he got his rocks off from his first girlfriend. Went through women like Shake n' Bake bags. He's settled down and married since then but there was a 5 year stretch where...JEEZE!
 

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Posted by RPM (Member # 2895) on :
 
LeDaemon,

as a teen, yeah.. wet dreams all the time. highly annoying because you didn't want the parents to find out.. so I had to get creative to 'hide' the wet dreams.

after 22 years of age.. things settled down rather quickly (not sure how quickly) but settled to a level i could deal with.

now.. hum... they rarely happen.. but that could be also from the fact that though a virgin.. I do let my lady assist me in finding relief (so I don't do it myself... )

well.. it's expected as you age to have less wet dreams. that was a major relief for me.. because in my 20's i did a lot of flying and traveling.. the concept of wet dreams while on business.. that scared the crap out of me (part of the religious background i had to adjust for)

i know of many religious guys who 'slipped' and once they found the joys of sex.. became male whores!!!!! one of the reproaches i hold against the religious arena. don't supress... educate. you can be a virgin.. hold your cool.. get married and not be a male whore. mind over matter is what it really takes. my brothers almost fell victim to this regime of teachign, thankfully they learned mind over body.

i won't lie to anyone.. i do get all the normal urges a man gets.. some days.. it weighs heavily on your mind. however.. i do keep busy enough that i can be pre-occupied and work around it.

the hardest times for me is now. i'm weeks away from marriage. me and my fiance are very close. the desire has never been stronger!!!! it is starting to drive me nuts. if marriage was a year away.. i'd have to give myself some distance from her.. or else.. the urge would get the better part of me.

and worse yet.. her feet have never looked better or smelled nicer... or felt smoother. it's taking all my will power to stay focused and wait these last few weeks. but i expected that.. knew this before getting involved. still.. it's hard.

but.. i think i can hold out until i walk down the aisle with my future bride.

it really is mind over matter.. but as a teen.. you learn how to do laundry at night.. not get caught.. and no.. cold showers don't help!

RPM
 

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Posted by Lou Gojira (Member # 983) on :
 

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cool post Lou.

I decided to edit my text and wait until my research is complete. that way.. i don't take more posts away from the topic.

RPM

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Sounds good Bro. In fact, if you'd rather just PM this research to me I'm cool with that.
 

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Posted by LeDaemon (Member # 198) on :
 
Ok RPM, you've answered another question without me even asking. You're girlfriend "assists" you with relief without going as far as coitus in my opinion is still a sexual activity. I remember hearing a gal taking about considering herself still a virgin because she and her boyfriend didn't have genital to genital sex. She took it anally!

It was the Bill Clinton defense too come to think of it!

I feel better now for some reason. You seem more human to me. At first I thought you had somehow removed your undercarriage and kept it preserved in a jar of formaldahyde to preserve it for your honeymoon.

BTW since your wedding is a few weeks away and your honeymoon night is drawing near may I give a little advice... While making love to your good lady wife for the very first time you will likely blow your load in 30 seconds or less. To avoid an embarrassing letdown for her first time and to extend the duration of intercourse think of something else while going through the motion. I suggest make a mental grocery list or your think of your golf game. Don't try and think about Rosie Odonnell or Rosanne Barr as that mental image will probably make you imediately go limp and have your testes recede up into your stomach.

Good luck!
 

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Posted by RPM (Member # 2895) on :
 
had a good chuckle here.... lol

ok.. i won't think of rosanne or rosie.. yuk!

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It was the Bill Clinton defense too come to think of it!

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quilt was the biggest hurdle to overcome. as a kid.. i used to strongly advocate no intimacy at all until marriage...(part of my conservative upbringing) and here i was going to get intimate. no vaginal or anal sex. oral didn't come into the picture until i was nearly 30. (yeah.. too much info). but guilt non-the-less.

if this means i'm no longer a virgin.. hum.. i've got some soul searching to do. big time.

at anyrate.. i'll take your advice to heart. i know she response greatly to me sucking her toes.. so.. i can used that to heighten her arousal... use some 'distractive' thoughts.. buy me some time.. so i can extend my 30 seconds for the first time.

RPM

p.s. I'll still hold the arguement.. i'm a virgin! just not one asexual virgin... or is this too Clinton like?

p.p.s as this relates to the topic... she ws curious about how much foot fun i wanted.. took a long time to warm up to it.. now she loves it! she did tell me.. as far as this topic is concerned.. if she had gotten hurt sexually before me.. there would be no foot fun at all until married (if it ever came)
 

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Posted by lamp (Member # 19270) on :
 
when sex gets a bit too intense for me i sing songs and listen to music in my head! it can be fun sometimes!

much respect to you celabate guys, it must be very hard, i know i could'nt do it!
 

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Posted by RPM (Member # 2895) on :
 
lamp.. here's how i see it. if i had had sex.. i couldn't do the born again virgin route.

for the little i know about intimacy.. believe me.. i don't think i'd be able to hold back once i've had it.

and truthfully.. if i wasn't getting married in a few weeks. i'd go mad! this waiting is really hard the older you get. fear kept me as teen.. ambition kept me in my 20's.. now... the knowledge that in a few weeks.. I'm married is what is holding me.. but barely! (plus living over an hours drive helps too)

RPM

p.s. don't want to ever do this again. if i redo life.. i'd get married much sooner (but to the same gal)
 

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Posted by lamp (Member # 19270) on :
 
wow, but just think, you've come this far and you've only got a little longer to go now.

i understand that there are many reasons why you have kept back. i didnt loose my virginity until about a year ago because i was to shy at a younger age, but now i am glad i waited to do it with the right person.

when you do go for it with your new wife you'll be glad you waited and you can know that youre having sex for your own right reasons. i just
meant to point out that you deserve some respect for being able to hold back so long as it must be quite physically and metally challenging. but like i said, not long to go now and you'll probably have a much more exciting sex life than the majority of couples your age.

i wish you the best of luck in your marriage, which actually is more important that sex.
 

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Posted by RPM (Member # 2895) on :
 
thanks! appreciate that!!!

RPM:D
 

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Posted by tootsylover (Member # 4584) on :
 
Well I'm a virgin and quite honestly I think I would go for some foot action over actual intercourse...
 

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Posted by MC Nolan (Member # 20527) on :
 
IMO virgins may be more acceptable to it as an alternative. Sometimes more experienced types are a bit jaded. I agree with (and wish I would've) all those choosing to wait. Being a virgin is a great honor and definitely not the norm.

Fight conformity,
MCN
 

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Posted by yeah_i_suck_toes (Member # 21104) on :
 
I think openness with foot fetish depends on the individual more so than on weither or not someone is a virgin. I've found that some people are just more open than others. My girlfriend was a virgin (and actually I was too) when we first started dating. She is very open to trying new things (and not just sexually). That's just the kind of person she is. I picked up on this and went out on a line by telling her about my foot fetish pretty early in out relationship. She never judged me and actually said it was 'cool' because she wasn't familiar with it. She actually first suggested that we incorporate it into the bedroom! Since then she's gotten into it more and more. Anyways, sorry this has gotten long. I just thought I'd share my personal experience.
 

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