Imagine a guy runs a website and hires a model. He tells her to polish her toes. She arrives and her beautiful toes look amazing...perfectly pedicured, plus she is wearing toe rings. Then he shoots 100+ photos of her....but all the pics are only of her soles...not a single one shows her toes at a full view. In the end the webmaster uploads a photo series to the members area of his website which only shows the models soles...not a single top-view of her toes...if you`re lucky you may see a tiny glimpse of her toes at an awkward side angle.
Why do so many photographers do this? It is a phenomenen that I have seen in hundreds of photosets and on dozens of websites. I could understand it if the model had ugly toes...but many of these girls have perfect looking toes with a fresh pedicure. What a waste! Do these photographers/webmasters not understand that there are loads of guys out there who are into toes? Not everybody is ONLY into soles!
If you`re into soles that is obviously fine (no offense...this is in no way meant to be a soles vs. toes post!), but why tell your model to polish her toes in the first place when you`re not going to take one single photo of them? It`s lame and stupid...plus, you`re getting less members because toe-guys arenīt going to join your website.
-Hal-
[ August 30, 2009, 12:56 PM: Message edited by: Hal ]
Posted by footluvrguy (Member # 23285) on :
Posted by Karnell (Member # 6647) on :
For me its just a personal preference. The soles are not seen as much as the toes. BUt Hal is correct...we as photographers could do a better job at toes....I will try harder Hal!!! Good luck guys!
Posted by Patrick (Member # 1169) on :
I found for the longest time that most sites had less sole shots than toe shots. It was a nice little surprise to find the sole view. Plus, for many people toes are seen more than anything else when it comes to feet. A woman stands on her soles and therefore you do not get to see them as much.
As for my site, I am a sole guy and my site is something I'd enjoy doing whether or not I was making lots of cash, or just enough to run it. I even put soles in my site's title, Soles of Silk, because that is the site's main focus. I see lots of toe shots on your site and with your samples, but I'd think that would be the case with your site's title too, Toes in Action.
To me, there are enough web sites out there that offer everything and there are enough of us out there that offer specialty items. There are sites for big feet, older feet, long toes, foot domination, etc. I say to each their own if everyone is happy.
But to answer your question, I think the nail polish comes into play because even with sole shots you can see toes, so why not have them looking nice. I ask them to shave their legs too. ROFL...
Patrick
Posted by Tyler D. (Member # 11452) on :
ima sole man personally but even i like to see the toes here and there just for the sake of at least seeing them. so to all the sole & foot photographers out there, plz try to spend at least a little time on the toes.
that is part of the female foot and should be showcased as well, although i will admit that it doesn't need to be seen quite as much as the soles tho. just some ernest advice to help the occasional clueless webmaster and/or photographer out there
Posted by Hal (Member # 3484) on :
Thanks for the replies, guys.
quote:Originally posted by Patrick: I found for the longest time that most sites had less sole shots than toe shots. It was a nice little surprise to find the sole view. Plus, for many people toes are seen more than anything else when it comes to feet. A woman stands on her soles and therefore you do not get to see them as much.
As for my site, I am a sole guy and my site is something I'd enjoy doing whether or not I was making lots of cash, or just enough to run it. I even put soles in my site's title, Soles of Silk, because that is the site's main focus. I see lots of toe shots on your site and with your samples, but I'd think that would be the case with your site's title too, Toes in Action.
To me, there are enough web sites out there that offer everything and there are enough of us out there that offer specialty items. There are sites for big feet, older feet, long toes, foot domination, etc. I say to each their own if everyone is happy.
But to answer your question, I think the nail polish comes into play because even with sole shots you can see toes, so why not have them looking nice. I ask them to shave their legs too. ROFL...
Patrick
@ Patrick: I wasn`t actually even thinking of your website. I was thinking of a site where the model ironically said during the photo session that she loves her toes and that she had just got a fresh pedicure...but the photographer didnīt show her toes in a single shot! I know that you post toes of your models in picture sets and I appreciate it.
So as much as I also love soles, what I mean is: Would it be too much to ask for a photographer to take at least one (!!!) photo of a woman`s toes...even if the main focus of the site is on soles? It shouldn`t really be a problem...especially if she went to all the trouble of getting a perfectly fresh pedicure. If a photographer doesn`t do this I guess he is either stubborn or just too obsessed with soles. Or not listening to his customers....because some of my members have been telling me to show more legs/calves in my sets and I now do....I never thought of this before they mentioned it. Iīm not saying that sites shouldn`t specialize in either soles or toes, but if somebody is going to shoot 100+ photos of a model at least take 5 pics of her toes from a top view.
My website is called Toes-in-Action but I still shoot at least 50-70% sole shots. In fact go to my website now and check out the front page....I think at the moment 95% of the preview pics are sole shots
And I donīt ever recall a time when more toes were seen on sites...even though Iīve been on the net since 1995. Soles were always all the rage, in my opinion...but maybe I just visited the wrong sites. And mostly when soles are being shot I can`t see the toes from a top view...at least not without x-ray specs
Just wanted to get this topics out because Iīm not sure if all webmasters even know that there are toe-guys like us out there.
-Hal-
Posted by Marcus_B (Member # 21192) on :
To have a successful site you need to cater to all the taste's out there, toes, soles, foot jewellery, heels, nylons, flip flops etc... you may have a model who has nicer soles than toes but what one thinks is nice is not what another may find nice. Give love to the whole foot, i know i do when photographing my models! Posted by GQguy (Member # 16534) on :
I'm an arch man myself!
Posted by Hal (Member # 3484) on :
quote:Originally posted by Marcus_B: To have a successful site you need to cater to all the taste's out there, toes, soles, foot jewellery, heels, nylons, flip flops etc... you may have a model who has nicer soles than toes but what one thinks is nice is not what another may find nice. Give love to the whole foot, i know i do when photographing my models!
I agree 100%. Same here...if a model has nice soles I will take more photos of her soles, if she has nice toes more of her toes, if she has nice arches...legs...etc. etc.
-Hal-
Posted by JustJoe (Member # 9641) on :
I'm a toes guy but do tend to take pictures of soles, foot jewelry, flip-flops, etc. to even out the set. I even do shoots that really doesn't do anything for me, but I know does lots for others.
Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
About Patrick - I was just about to mention your site as one that focuses on soles but there's still a plentiful supply of toes too.
And Yeah. Similarly, I don't get posts with girls with NATURALLY yellow toenails! No one can be into that surely?!
Posted by Patrick (Member # 1169) on :
Hal, No worries my friend. I wasn't offended at all. Heehee... I always play devil's advocate anyhow. I try to throw in some toe shots just as much as I try to make sure I have shots of spread toes, scrunched soles, etc. because of each person's likes.
Now onto the sole shots that show the toes... Or are they gas efficient hybrids? LOL...
I wish more photographers would throw these type of shots in every once in a while.
Cheers, -Hal-
Posted by Brek (Member # 28601) on :
There is so many sub-fetishes, the photographer needs to remember this. I like a site that caters to as many sub-fetishes as possible.
Posted by Patrick (Member # 1169) on :
Gotcha, I put those kinds of shots into my sets. I'll be honest though, I don't usually preview those shots because of my sole focus. Those toes and arch shots can be found in the members galleries. Here are several that I just threw into a folder so you can see.
Gotta love the artistry on the toenail polish in the last shot. That's cool stuff. Do the girls paint those themselves or do the pedicurists do it?
Posted by Patrick (Member # 1169) on :
Those were not done by the girls. Although I've said that I want to learn how to paint nail designs, I have yet to look into it. I went to art school and have held a paint brush or two, but I know it will take some getting used to.
Patrick
Posted by dougiezerts (Member # 6829) on :
There's more to feet than soles--although that's an important part of the foot! Actually, I really like frontal shots of barefoot girls just standing. Very sensual.
Posted by 2nd. To God In Power (Member # 23391) on :
TOES is what determines the overall beauty of the female foot. SOLES & ARCHES are the main focus for footjobs.
Posted by goodguyneighbor (Member # 2824) on :
Soles are more exciting because they're much less visible. Nice toenails are beautiful, but bare soles are like seeing the feet naked.
I always try to photo the tops as long as they're descent, but fleshy bare soles straight out of shoes are the priority. With random strangers, sometimes they get up and walk away before I get every angle.
What I don't understand is how so many other web-site's sets start with the girl already barefoot. Like where did that come from? I want to know how it happened. What kind of shoes, sandals, socks, footwear, etc, led up to it.
It's a big mistake for webmasters to cater to every random request. It's impossible to please everyone, and attempting to do so makes a web-site more generic and less appealing to everyone in general.
Webmasters must have a their own independent drive and unique individual appeal. Posted by Tyler D. (Member # 11452) on :
quote:Originally posted by goodguyneighbor: Soles are more exciting because they're much less visible. Nice toenails are beautiful, but bare soles are like seeing the feet naked.
this is a great perspective that summarizes the internal attraction which i have had for soles but did not know how to communicate it exactly.
the point is very true and when women wear sandals in public we automatically see their toes from plain view. the ability to see her soles is harder because she is standing on them and usually at best, we might catch a partial glimpse as she is flexing her arch and walking off.
i almost view the perspective of seeing a woman's soles as the foot fetish equivalent of a breast flashing tease to titty men, except soles are like that to foot men. the fact that we don't get to see them outright as a standard view in the normal everyday public makes the sole view a special treat for men who like feet.
i am a guy who likes to have a little bit of tease to go along with my foot show from a woman. if she can offer that view of her soles for me, i feel very VERY turned on and i even feel a little more special than if she only showed me her same toes that she already shows to every tom dick and harry who passes by.
in my personal train of thought, I feel extra appreciative of a woman when she specifically lifts her foot up in such a way to reveal her soles. it is extra special.
in fact, there are some countries in this world where the bottom of womens' soles are almost never seen at all simply because the rules and customs of the country consider it a grave insult to let the bottom of one's foot to be visible to another person.
depravity on this scale is horrendous, but it is the depravity on the everyday scale in normal countries that i believe makes sole fans the majority. people tend to gravitate more toward things that they can't just automatically have in a normal day-to-day routine.
female sole views are generally less prominent in everyday life compared to the same availability of their toe cleavage. anyone who has stood in line at a bank or a grocery store with hot women in sandals will know what i am talking about.
[ August 31, 2009, 04:18 AM: Message edited by: Tyler D. ]
Posted by Keyfeet (Member # 27313) on :
yeah i love the toes too. they are my favorite, but i like to see the whole thing, soles and toes.
Posted by footjoyboy (Member # 26478) on :
I'm with goodguyneighbor! Posted by Five For Feet (Member # 33596) on :
I am NEVER dissapointed with soles, but I do like to see me some toes!
Posted by Robotron2084 (Member # 33263) on :
quote:Originally posted by footjoyboy: I'm with goodguyneighbor!
+ 1
Posted by Patrick (Member # 1169) on :
Well spoken GoodGuy. I think as long as each web master and the members of the site are happy, then more power to them.
Patrick
Posted by Hal (Member # 3484) on :
quote: It's a big mistake for webmasters to cater to every random request.
This may not work for every webmaster/website but some of the longest running foot-related websites & clip stores are the ones that cater for a very wide variety of sub-fetishes....so it certainly works for some sites (like "Chloe`s Creations" or "Charlee`s Adventures" or Toejac`s sites). Plus, I often think it is a real shame to visit a website with beautiful models that only specializes on one niche (e.g. nylons or high-heels) and knowing that I won`t be able to see those girls barefooted....because the webmaster doesn`t take any requests.
-Hal-
Posted by Patrick (Member # 1169) on :
Hal,
Of course there are those corporate sites that have 10 different foot fetish sites with all the same models and locations, but have... 1 site for bare foot, 1 site for tickling, 1 site for stockings, 1 site for sweaty/smelly feet, 1 site for ball busting, 1 site for foot jobs, 1 site for female/female foot worship, etc. I found that to be annoying, but they seem to keep going, so someone is buying memberships.
I still say the moral of the whole discussion is try to offer some variety, but ultimately it is each web master's site and they have to do what they think is best for themselves and their members. If people don't like it, they'll leave. If they do like it, they'll stay.
Patrick
Posted by Toetapper (Member # 6473) on :
I am in agreement with Hal. As much as I love soles (and that is probably what trips my trigger the most), I want to see what the tops look like. I love the whole foot and want to see all the angles.
Hal made the case with a few photographic examples that were enchanting; I loved Patrick's response - quite delightful.
Though I do enjoy soles, I can never tell what will capture me, a beautiful curve to the arch, the breadth and depth of an elegantly painted nail (or a natural look), or the definition of the knuckles; even the sweep & flow and smooth flesh from the instep to the toe.
Man! I love women's feet!!
Posted by bremmer (Member # 26185) on :
You summed it up well Patrick. The corporate sites are tired too.
Posted by Hal (Member # 3484) on :
quote: I still say the moral of the whole discussion is try to offer some variety
Yes, that was my initial intention...all I was trying to say was that in a 100+ picture set Iīd like to see at least one decent photo of the model`s toes (from a top view)....and not just endless sole shots.
-Hal-
Posted by Hal (Member # 3484) on :
quote: Of course there are those corporate sites that have 10 different foot fetish sites with all the same models and locations, but have... 1 site for bare foot, 1 site for tickling, 1 site for stockings, 1 site for sweaty/smelly feet, 1 site for ball busting, 1 site for foot jobs, 1 site for female/female foot worship, etc. I found that to be annoying, but they seem to keep going, so someone is buying memberships.
I know what you mean but none of the sites I mentioned or was thinking of are like those corporate sites. The ones I meant cater for very underground fetish niches (puffy jacket fetish, balloons & inflatables, underwater, very special crush clips, vacuum cleaning, etc.) and will cater for almost every customer request...which is their strong point! They are very open towards new "weird" requests. Some people have niche-fetishes that go far beyond the normal/cliche fetishes and for them it is almost impossible to find websites that specialize in these fetishes...therefor these small custom-orientated websites & clipstores are perfect for people with very special requests & interests.
-Hal-
Posted by Tyler D. (Member # 11452) on :
quote:Originally posted by Patrick: there are those corporate sites that have 10 different foot fetish sites with all the same models and locations, but have... 1 site for bare foot, 1 site for tickling, 1 site for stockings, 1 site for sweaty/smelly feet, 1 site for ball busting, 1 site for foot jobs, 1 site for female/female foot worship, etc. I found that to be annoying, but they seem to keep going, so someone is buying memberships.
omg, talk about the biggest sham ever... yeah that does get quite annoying. they should just give access to all of the sites with one purchase and if that is technically too challenging for them to accomplish, they should just put all the content on the same site.
sux that a customer should have to pay double triple or quadruple just because they might enjoy more than one single aspect about feet. in fact, it is exploitation to treat customers that way and it downright pisses me off.
i know there's alot of people here who only like one very narrow aspect about feet and could probably get away with purchasing only one membership to those kinds of sites, but at the same time I know there's lots of people who also have a healthy interest in a variety of aspects of women's feet and those kind of sites scams simply exploit the common foot fetishist.
i once saw a martial arts themed foot modeling company who divided their content into like 3 separate sites all with the same models and was like charging for a separate membership based on the difference in martial arts technique being used to show the feet. this was freakin outrageous and those greedy webmasters should be shot.
that is really a pet peeve i have about the industry -- is the pathetic greed.
Posted by JustJoe (Member # 9641) on :
The best sites are the ones that cater to most of the popular fetishes such as soles, toes, dirty, foot jewelry, sandals/flip-flops, etc. I agree with both Hal and Goodguy, but there has to be a balance between the two so you get the most out of the set.
All in all, the best sites are the ones who really have a good eye on the ball and are not in it for the money like what Tyler was describing. Greed can be seen a mile away. Anyway, that's my two cents.
Thanks for listening to all a good night! lol
Posted by phillyfootworship (Member # 20091) on :
This is a great point and I'm glad Hal brought this up. I'm a total sole guy, but to me, it's not what I prefer, it's what my customer's prefer and the general viewing public. We have really balanced out the variety of our pics to appease everyone. We, awhile back, were probably caught up in the trap of what I liked and preferred but then realized variety is much better.
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