hey guys. right now im half flattered and half peeved. just recently there was a post involving footfetishtube and having not been there in awhile i decided to pay it a visit. what do i see as the top featured video? a video from my youtube page. i click on the name and i see dozens of my material an his account. ive never quite had this feeling before... the fact that im copied makes me feel like i had something worth stealing, yet i feel stolen from. does footfetishtube ever share any of its profits with users? that could be a pretty big deal for me.
Posted by edelbrock (Member # 17055) on :
the admin was very quick to respond and asked me for the links so he could transfer the vids to my account. but still... worth talking about.
Posted by The Candy Shoppe (Member # 43022) on :
Contact the site and get that shit taken down!! I just asked c4s.com AND kinkbomb.com what the safeguards are for preventing EXACTLY what you're talking about. Youtube says they will remove your content if it shows up. I think the law requires it.
Funny, my guy and I were just talking about that this morning and we realized that if it was well hidden, you might never know that your material was ripped off. You're lucky you caught it!
Posted by combine_hunter (Member # 39526) on :
quote:Originally posted by edelbrock: does footfetishtube ever share any of its profits with users?
Yeah, don't hold your breath on that one. I think the reason they instituted that policy was to pay their own hosting costs, not to "spread the wealth" to users who were actually contributing original content.
To your question: if someone posted something I made and claimed it was their own, I'd be righteously pissed.
Posted by Beautifulfeetonline.com (Member # 13717) on :
not even the point of someone pretending that content belongs to him or her. I would send a DMCA, then reverse IP the host and sue to shut them down and get them off the net!
Imho people that rip other people content are friggin retards and get what they deserve. In about a year, the copyright and inherent trademark issues will be as such, that you will be able to go after the users and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. Meaning going after bank accounts, personal possessions and property.
And it's about time. Current laws as is, are pretty scary for people that rip to torrents, etc as it is right now. I sure wouldn't be putting my personal life on the line to rip of content, if I was a surfer. If you need any help whatsoever, feel free to PM me. This is a HUGE pet peeve of mine and my attorney lives for this shit.
Even password sharing, technically, can be prosecuted. And since you can easily look up the stolen username and password, it's very easy to find and prosecute the idiots that post them.
Please don't take me for being mean. I love my community, but I am so sick and damn tired of seeing good sites go under because people are too selfish to support them. Again, any paysite concept is not free. It costs money, a good amount of it every month. I guess that is why I am so passionate about this, is that in the end, this nonsense hurts everyone and in the end, the community as a whole. I had 110 foot fetish sites on footpervert.com last year, now I am down to under 60?!? This is friggin dumb! Piracy is killing this niche, and has been for the past half decade.
[ July 05, 2011, 10:41 PM: Message edited by: Beautifulfeetonline.com ]
Posted by JKO12 (Member # 30609) on :
I don't think you understand what a law like this could do. First of all this will not pass in congress and second of all this law will hurt most the video game and the movie industry because every single game reviewer and movie reviewer will become a criminal under this act. You need to research these laws before wildly supporting them. We are strongly fighting these laws because guess what it this law happens I will be out of a job and so will hundreds of other firms because our buisness models rely on journalistic use of video game, movie etc footage which will become a criminal act to use. We are loosin our freedom
Posted by ender (Member # 11713) on :
i'm sorry for what inconvenience you've experienced with the footfetishtube issue, but i just checked out your youtube page and was very impressed by what i saw....how did you get so many hot chicks to enduldge you and the camera?
Posted by Beautifulfeetonline.com (Member # 13717) on :
I have researched these laws and people are too irresponsible to police themselves, therefore they will be policed. If your honest, like the majority of people are, you have nothing to worry about. I know, it sucks, I get that, but people should not have to take it in the nuts because people that steal have some sense of self entitlement.
This, of course is not directed towards you JKO12, by any means, but there are two sides to the coin. People bitch and moan all the time, ..."oh why did this site have to close", oh my gosh, "i wonder what happened to her", they lost their asses and folded up because of piracy. That is what happens and that is the aftermath.
We have begged, pleaded, and moaned to surfers to be honest for the past decade and they simply do not give a shit. It's sad all the way around.
I do agree that the ending parameters of this legislation is a bit broad, but they will work themselves out. The adult industry is dying a slow dead and is infected by piracy. I don't think we have any other choice but to do this. And its all over the other Adult Industry Boards. About 90 percent of us support this, as an industry.
This has no bearing on "fair use" and I am quite sure that if you are simply doing reviews that you will be fine. You just have to contact the copyright holder now and give them 12 business days to respond. The "you tube" factor and having inherent copyright to stream is not on the books until the fall, and is not the final law as it is written now. It is being edited.
Furthermore, the streaming factor is in fact targeted to illegal tubes and people that posts stolen video and streams, mainstream or adult.
[ July 06, 2011, 01:58 AM: Message edited by: Beautifulfeetonline.com ]
Posted by JKO12 (Member # 30609) on :
The fair use factor will be overridden completely. The law plans to make broadcasting and streaming a felony. So any coverage we do for the E3 or anything that we have broadcasted on G4TV will require us to wait 12 days and that will cost us too much money. We have always been faced with companies that didn't like reviews that have been done. These companies can then file charges against poor reviews. This law is ignorant and written by people with zero knowledge. Instead of targeting the real issues it just targets everything.
Here is the hard truth for any content creators. Piracy exits and it will never die. I don't know much about the Adult Industry but speaking for the movie and video game industry, companies rarely fold because of piracy but because of crappy management. Tougher copyright laws will do nothing and have never done anything except but excessive amounts of money not into the artists hands but into the hands of corporations to fight more copyright. So these million dollar settlements that are brought against individuals guess what, they are not going to the artist but the company to sue more people.
[ July 06, 2011, 11:30 AM: Message edited by: JKO12 ]
Posted by Beautifulfeetonline.com (Member # 13717) on :
JKO yes I have read about corporations taking the money for themselves and that's pretty sad.
The adult industry does not have one huge conglomerate corporation, sans Manwin, we are all independent. From Wicked Pictures to the Mom and Pop with the clips4sale sites out there.
It's just sad all around. I know the economy is tough and I know a ton of people are broke.
All I can say is forge relationships with your clients now. Be proactive. Unlike the gaming industry, most Adult sites will welcome reviews, and if they don't like what you have to say, it's free speech. Maybe a well thought out critique will make them a better brand...
Posted by tastymag (Member # 43073) on :
yeah, fair use does not apply to things like this. I hate to mention it here, but it is a good example, but websites that have pay membership to view photos that the website owner does not own the copyright to, like celebrity foot sites, can be closed down and sued for this reason as well. The minimum fine for taking someone else's photos and using it as your own, can be as high as $100,000. Furthermore, the owner of the rights of the photo are allowed to sell it and control who else is allowed to sell it.
You do own the copyright to the video or any of the material so a simple letter telling them that you will pursue legal actions, may speed things up and help people not pass around your material. That is why I am very careful of celebrity feet photos. Every celebrity foot photo was taken by someone and that someone has the sole right to sell it, not celebrity foot sites. If I took a picture of Lady Gaga's feet, I would be pissed as Hell if I found out that some celebrity foot site was selling a membership and that picture was in the member's area. As for footfetishtube, I believe it is in their eula, that the uploader has to own the rights to the video. If someone else has said they do, then that is fraud and if they are making cash from your stuff, that is about $100,000 per use. Contact a lawyer and get paid.
Posted by Candylicious (Member # 43022) on :
So much good advice in this thread!!
The comment "piracy exists and will never die" is sadly true.
The comment "Get a lawyer and get paid." is great advice!
I filmed a DVD a few years ago. Somebody copied the video and clipped out my scene and posted it on YouPorn. It was listed under a completely different name than the dvd and I never would have know EXCEPT that an anonymous myspace message sent the link to me and my ex. Obviously somebody trying to get revenge...
I just checked youporn and it's got THEIR watermark on it!!
Oh hells no...
I'm writing a threatening letter right now!
Other sites have also posted this DVD but they've given full credit to the production company. Unlike YouPorn who is RIPPING me off!!
Thanks Wu's Posted by Scotty7493 (Member # 13127) on :
How do these "copyright" laws apply to violators who have websites and servers registered overseas and how do you all expect to get paid by suing people who are probably (as someone mentioned earlier) broke? (The U.S has built itself around the reputation of everyone suing each other nowadays).
Welcome to the adult industry....it's a "dirty" business.
Posted by Those Toes (Member # 2489) on :
Ive contacted youtube on my vids being up there and nothing gets done!
Posted by Beautifulfeetonline.com (Member # 13717) on :
quote:Originally posted by Scotty7493: How do these "copyright" laws apply to violators who have websites and servers registered overseas and how do you all expect to get paid by suing people who are probably (as someone mentioned earlier) broke? (The U.S has built itself around the reputation of everyone suing each other nowadays).
Welcome to the adult industry....it's a "dirty" business.
I am glad you asked. Apparently ICE has stated that as long as your a dot com or dot net site that there is no longer a "non jurisdiction" parameter that the infringing site can hide behind anymore. For more info on this, please see
The safe harbor for pirate sites overseas is in the process of ending, as of this month. Not only will they shut down the site and sieze the domain, they will extradite them and try them here in the U.S. under U.S. copyright law.
Posted by Beautifulfeetonline.com (Member # 13717) on :
...personally, I think that this law, as written is extremely far reaching, not to mention a waste of taxpayer dollars. Seizing the domain and wiping the host should suffice.
Personally, my goal is not to sue anyone. I never have, and hope that I never will. I send a DMCA and whatever site usually pulls the stolen content within 24 hours.
I know that most of you are just good hearted down to earth people, that, like me, see beauty in a different way. But things are changing, rapidly, as far as this goes, for better or worse, it is just changing extremely rapidly.
Posted by JKO12 (Member # 30609) on :
Honestly suing someone is laughable because I can guarantee you that 98% of infringers dont have anything to be sued over. You're only going to be wasting attorney costs. Unless you sue a big site you're not going to be paid as many of you have the misconception. A well worded DMCA notice will usually do the job only if that fails you should consider anything else. Also quiet ridicioulous that the U.S. Government can now seize foreign domains. If they are in the u.s. Then fine but its just against anything out forefathers would have imagined that the u.s. government is seizing foreign domains. Too much power in the hands of the government. They can only seize the domain anyways because the host is physically out of the jurisdiction of the u.s. in those cases.
Posted by Beautifulfeetonline.com (Member # 13717) on :
"knock on wood", your right. I have never had to sue anyone and yes, usually, DMCA takes care of the issue same day.
There is a case of a lesbian website, last year that sued, and won, the owner of a torrent for a portion of the rest of his pay for the rest of his life.
This was a Canadian case. He was like 31 years old and makes about 18,000 per year. After the garnishment, which is 33 percent of his wages, he now only makes 12,000 per year. ...That extra 6k a year he is missing... Well I am sure he is missing it. At least until he has paid his 80,000.00 judgement that was awarded against him. That is not a misconception, that is fact.
Some political websites claim that they can also now be shut down because of streaming issues via youtube and vimeo. Both youtube and vimeo have stated that they are not going to go after surfers that repost via embed links below the videos. But remember that both youtube and vimeo are user driven concepts. All uploaders agree to relinquish most copyright safe harbors upon uploading, via TOS of each site.
Since Feb 1, 2011, if you get your domain seized, your host also gets wiped. Interpol makes sure of this fyi.
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Posted by edelbrock (Member # 17055) on :
this is all fairly pertinent information. im not making any money now, and honestly i dont plan to but i HAVE been told multiple times in the past couple weeks that i need to stop with the youtube nonsense and get paid for what im recording. especially with the amount of content im able to produce on a regular basis.
man i was peeved just to see my vid posted by someone else who wasnt making money off it... i cant tell you how id feel to see someone getting paid from my material when i put it out for free!
as far as youtube reposts, you should be able to just flag it as copyright and they remove them fairly fast. i had a perfectly fine vid of two girls and someone flagged it as inappropriate and it was removed no questions asked. im like WTF? no nudity, no underage, no music.. jus two fully clothed girls with their feet up. youtube really doesnt play around with flagging issues.
Posted by edelbrock (Member # 17055) on :
oh, @ender, i hang with a lot of open-minded stereotypically care-free college age girls. i cant say i dont purposely place myself in these positions, but i really enjoy it.
i cant give u all my secrets but throw an outgoing guy like myself into a welcoming environment, add a healthy dose of charisma and top it off with some swag and you got yourself some action waiting to happen.
Posted by Beautifulfeetonline.com (Member # 13717) on :
edelbrock, you can make your videos non embeddable in your control panel. I think that would provide a pretty good solution for you from what your saying. Did you email that site?
Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
Right...got to admit, I'm not getting what this streaming shit is.
2 questions: say there's an illegally ripped film or clip or whatever given for free on Youtube and I happen to stumble across it. Am I liable or is it just the uploader?
(What if I add it to my favourites and am therefore aiding in its circulation, but I have not uploaded it?)
And does anyone have any (preferably non-legal-jargony) literature on this?
What countries does it apply to?
I'm confused. If it's just going after the uploaders, then cool. Am all for it.
Posted by JKO12 (Member # 30609) on :
quote:Since Feb 1, 2011, if you get your domain seized, your host also gets wiped. Interpol makes sure of this fyi.
Interpol has absolutely no power. They can only advise and pool information. Interpol can do absolutely nothing and it's pretty evident that most torrent sites who's domains have been seized simply redirected them to another domain and carry on. Unless the local authorities decide to make sure that the servers are wiped the Untied States can't do anything about it unless it is in their jurisdiction. Also you do not relinquish any of your copyright powers when uploading to Vimeo or Youtube. You have the option to changed to Creative Commons but otherwise you'll still retain the complete copyright. If you have an issue with your video then you can make a request to remove it if you can submit proper proof.
Posted by kingler (Member # 40920) on :
I deal with content that is also available digitally, but not in the adult field. Yeah it chews me up from the inside to see people stealing, pirating and sharing products that I spent months working on especially since that part of my income is very very low already.
Posted by Beautifulfeetonline.com (Member # 13717) on :
quote:Originally posted by Andy-Laa: Right...got to admit, I'm not getting what this streaming shit is.
2 questions: say there's an illegally ripped film or clip or whatever given for free on Youtube and I happen to stumble across it. Am I liable or is it just the uploader?
(What if I add it to my favourites and am therefore aiding in its circulation, but I have not uploaded it?)
And does anyone have any (preferably non-legal-jargony) literature on this?
What countries does it apply to?
I'm confused. If it's just going after the uploaders, then cool. Am all for it.
quote:Since Feb 1, 2011, if you get your domain seized, your host also gets wiped. Interpol makes sure of this fyi.
Interpol has absolutely no power. They can only advise and pool information. Interpol can do absolutely nothing and it's pretty evident that most torrent sites who's domains have been seized simply redirected them to another domain and carry on. Unless the local authorities decide to make sure that the servers are wiped the Untied States can't do anything about it unless it is in their jurisdiction. Also you do not relinquish any of your copyright powers when uploading to Vimeo or Youtube. You have the option to changed to Creative Commons but otherwise you'll still retain the complete copyright. If you have an issue with your video then you can make a request to remove it if you can submit proper proof.
Again, you are incorrect on both counts. Please research these new bills and it's provisions. Also read the article I linked for Andy, click the "worries for video gamers" link in the article. You may find it interesting. Posted by edelbrock (Member # 17055) on :
Yes I emailed the admin and within the hour he had all my vids tansferred to my own account.
Posted by Beautifulfeetonline.com (Member # 13717) on :
JKO 12, you may also find this interesting. This came down, just about 3 hours ago.
I'm not sure where you're getting your info but interpol has no arrest power. They can only coordinate information. They serve as a bridge between law enforcement agencies. Please post information. Interpols issues are not with normal video and music uploads but Pharmaceutical piracy and other important areas. Uploading to youtube does not relinquish any rights you have otherwise the Studios would not upload trailers and music videos up.
This is straight from the horses mouth and not a single mention of actually Interpol physically enforcing any laws because they can't. Interpol can only coordinate and assist but not execute any actions.
Also since the agreement does not directly call for termination of service I highly doubt they will actually ever terminate a user because that's lost money for the ISP's. The MPAA and the RIAA are scumbags and thieves. They don't care about the work of the artists they are profiting of this and will keep on pushing ridiculous bills and suing people for excessive amounts.
About SB978 That bill will be a ruination for the movie and game industry. There will be hundreds of thousands of people out of jobs who are legitimately benefiting of streaming. Extremely large sums of money will be lost. The bill is vague and written by people with NO experience with any of these matters.
I'm all for a good system that fairly considers all factors. The new agreement between the MPAA and the RIAA and the ISP's is a good step as it is fair and gives enough notice. I also feel that companies like the RIAA and MPAA should be stopped from having so much unjust power and people should be fairly punished and not with jail time or excessive fines.
[ July 08, 2011, 01:40 PM: Message edited by: JKO12 ]
Posted by Goddess Melanie (Member # 40802) on :
View 6 videos that are infringing on Foot Fetish Tube/YouTube and get your internet access disconnected. oh happy days of totalitarian regime in a free country :-(.
If you don't want to loose internet access to say one of the biggest MSO's and Content owners at the same time like Comcast/NBC/Universal/Vivendi for example, than pay a $35.00 Mitigation fee per "alert" sent to you.
In case you're curious who's interests ICE is representing, here you go.
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