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I'm going to guess that about every guy here is familiar with an internet model named Raven Riley. I apologize for not linking to any of her galleries for those of you who may not have heard of her, but she shows it all, and that goes against board policy. Run a search on her if you want to familiarize yourself with this girl, she's got a ton of free galleries all over the 'net.
Anyway, I was at askjolene one time and got to looking through all the blogs people have on that site, and found about three blogs dedicated to Raven Riley. Plenty of nice pics...no complaints here, but then I started reading the comments people were posting about her and found myself getting pretty upset.
Try to imagine anything mean a person can say to a girl and that's what these comments were loaded with...I just couldn't believe it. Sure, no girl is going to be EVERY guy's cup of visual tea, but for the life of me I just couldn't see what justification, if any, that these folks were using in verbally attacking this girl. I mean, if they don't like the way she looks, why look at her pics? There's a gazillion other girls on the 'net, so surely they could find a girl that would meet their "standards". Why waste time picking on how a girl looks? I thought guys were supposed to outgrow that kind of behavior once they got out of elementary school.
So the question I have is this: Do any of you find yourselves angry over seeing this kind of behavior?
I'm not saying I'm a Raven Riley fanboy or anything like that...I'm not even some "knight in shining armor" ready to "fight to the death" over the honor of some internet model I'll never cross pathes with, Raven or otherwise...but I found myself wanting drag these anal-retentive internet "bad-asses" out from behind their computers and out of their mother's basements, into the streets, and commence to beating the living shit clean out of them.
Here we have our last and true form of "freedom of speech" in this country, and these losers are pissing it right down the drain by making fun of how a girl looks of all things. Maybe it's just me, but that kinda' bullshit tends to piss me off...
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quote: It's this kind of stuff that leaves girls like me with no self-esteem... inevitably, I think guys just need to grow up and act their age, not their shoe size.
That's what kept running through my mind as I read the comments on those blogs. I kept wondering how these trash-talking losers would feel if they saw Raven Riley actually cry over some of that shit...not that she would, but you never know how somebody is going to take comments slung their way. I can only hope that Raven and other girls who get made fun of by these types of guys, guys who ultimately fear women and hate women for whatever petty reasons they think they have, just consider the sources and don't hold us guys as a whole in contempt for it.
I know I'm pretty old-fashioned in a lot of ways, but I tend to think that we as men need to sort of "look out" for the fairer sex. You know, just have a damned SENSE of chivalry and at least act accordingly. I know how feminism has royally screwed both men and women up over time, but I think it's sad that things have come this extremely far! Time was when a guy would take his coat off and throw it over a mud puddle if he saw a girl had to cross over it, whether he knew her or not...now there's guys out there that would purposefully splash the mud on the girl!
MissMcKenzie, I'm sorry that you have had to deal with this sort of crap yourself. Just rest assured that these kinds of "men" are usually the exception, not the rule, thank God.
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quote:Originally posted by MissMcKenzie: Well I must admit, I've pretty much given up on guys, just because the single ones in my age group all seem to be like that. I guess that's what I get for being a college girl... As far as chivalry goes, I think it all comes down to one thing: respect. I think it should be requirement for all guys to think about what it would be like if girls rejected all men because they weren't getting respect. They would have to either get very used to their hand or get over their homophobia. I'm not exactly big on guys getting out of the car, walking to my side, opening my door, etc. for me, but if I'm cold, I expect them to say "do you want my jacket?" I've gotten into fist fights with guys, and I could probably break a bone if I kicked someone and meant it, and I'm not exactly a delicate flower, but seriously, is a little respect too much to ask for?
Man I'm up late...
MissMcKenzie, please don't give up on all guys. There are some of us that are actually nice and respect nice women.
And to be honest, I have met and known male and female jerks. Gender isn't an issue. It is just that people don't seem to be as "sweet" as they used to be, in general.
But there are some genuine, nice people out there- you just have to dig for them sometimes!
MissMcKenzie, I got the impression that the guy that posted your story is your boyfriend??
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Yeah I hate attitudes like that. I am also apart of another web forum. A non foot related one. The people on that forum are general jackasses and i'm not sure why I visit it at all.
As far as I can tell, those attitudes are that of jealousy spewing forth from single or lonely guys that are too timid to try for a girl that looks remotely like the ones they comment to and their only method of self preservation on the subject is to royally bash them.
For reference, Daemoness started posting a few times on this forum I mention, and the guys there(of course) said she wasn't that good looking. Yet if you look at the pictures of them, they are fat computer programmers whose wives are more manly than they are.
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I've noticed this as well and there are girls from my own site who get grief from guys out there sometimes. The cosmic joke in all of this though, is that the guys who are doing these things:
1. Have never had a girlfriend of their own 2. Have never so much as SPOKEN with a real girl like the one they are trashing 3. Have never had a date with a real girl 4. Can NOT GET a date with real girl 5. Have no life 6. Have no social skills 7. Are socially inept and socially retarded 8. Those who are actually married? You'd crack up if you saw what their own wives looked like!
We are talking about people who are basically miserable in their own lives, lash out at specific women just as they sometimes lash out at women in general, and essentially this is the guy who nobody would eat lunch with back in school.
Moreover - I've seen greasy, ugly, morbidly obese, unkempt, unshaven, hideous looking guys with absolutely no personal hygiene standards go into a foot party in Los Angeles and complain about "not enough good looking women in the place" - and complain about girls there.
Personally, I tend to take a simple view toward girls and women; I love them. Half the girls I see on a daily basis look to me, like the most beautiful girl in the world. Half of them, and to my eye they are, at that moment when we are shooting the breeze .. the most beautiful girl in the world.
In this case: Raven Riley happens to be a gorgeous, luscious female with beautiful feet (and some other things, as well). I hope she doesn't take much of that seriously.
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"And to be honest, I have met and known male and female jerks. Gender isn't an issue. It is just that people don't seem to be as "sweet" as they used to be, in general."
Very true ilikesoftpeds...the women have their fair share of bitches the same way us guys have our fair share of basturds. I think the reason why it bothers me more to see bad male behavior is because it really kind of embarasses me as a guy...but you're spot-on, people in general just don't seem as noble as they could be.
"As far as I can tell, those attitudes are that of jealousy spewing forth from single or lonely guys that are too timid to try for a girl that looks remotely like the ones they comment to and their only method of self preservation on the subject is to royally bash them."
You got that right scarlet! Whenever I see that kind of crap, I always tend to picture some fat and/or nerdy mama's boy that got turned down for one too many dates back in high school and hiding behind his PC...going through life bitter and unfulfilled, totally miserable and hating the very thing he KNOWS he doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of ever getting.
The question I have for people like that: If life is so bad and unfair, and they're so angry and resentful...why not end it? You know, just place a semi-highly powered pistol barrel against the roof of their mouth, pull the trigger, and scramble the brain pan a bit? Life obviously sucks, they hate their ugly selves, they hate women for being beautiful, so why endure another meaningless day? They need to turn off their computers and readily embrace cold, black, sweet oblivion. Couldn't be much worse than the sad fate they have among the living...
"Personally, I tend to take a simple view toward girls and women; I love them. Half the girls I see on a daily basis look to me, like the most beautiful girl in the world. Half of them, and to my eye they are, at that moment when we are shooting the breeze .. the most beautiful girl in the world. "
Amen Ben...amen! Sure, we can't have all the girls in the world, but isn't this world a much more lovely, interesting, and exciting place by their just being in it? I mean hell, if these hate-filled "guys" just counted their blessings for a minute and stopped being so nasty, they might realize that women aren't really all that scarey or intimidating...and God forbid if they cleaned up and stepped outside, they might even get to know some girls and even *gasp* date a few!
Of course, I realize how hypocritical I am when I talk about the woman-bashers' hateful natures, and I sound just as hate-filled when I'm saying that they should end their own lives...please excuse me for that.
"In this case: Raven Riley happens to be a gorgeous, luscious female with beautiful feet (and some other things, as well). I hope she doesn't take much of that seriously."
I hope not either...she's got it goin' on...in a lot of ways! I've saved quite a few of her pics for my files.
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quote:Originally posted by MissMcKenzie: ilikesoftpeds - I have found nice boys, but the problem seems to be that they contradict themselves. They say that they like you and you're the only one they're interested in, yet you find out that there's another girl, they say that they can be whatever you want them to be, they don't follow through. Either that or they can't seem to tell me how they feel, and I follow a Kirsten Dunst quote very religiously: "Do you like me or don't you? Just tell me so I can get over you." And I know that girls can be bitches, I can only talk to my (few) female friends for maybe 10 minutes, yet I can talk to my male friends for hours. Girls just tend to be really catty and competitive and whiny. And no, he is not my boyfriend, I am very very single.
Yeah, many guys are like that. They are dumbasses.
But there are guys that stay faithful and are open.
I am also very single.
My last girlfriend had some "issues" from previous relationships and admittedly I was at times immature. I wanted more attention than she was giving me. Imagine that. Usually it is the girls that want more attention. She wasn't particularly "warm". I was looking for a warmer/sweeter and more sensual girl.
She loved my openess, she thought I was cute, liked my ability to care, sensitivity and my mild NC accent. She was from out west; I am from the southeast, so it was a long distance relationship.
She thought I was a bit "immature" and "needy" though.
So with all of that; we just let the relationship fizzle. I did meet her, but most of our correspondence was thru email/phone. It was my first (and last) time dating long distance like that. I just thought I'd try it. I did start to develop feelings for her and she for me, but it just didn't work out for us.
So for now, I will take it real slow for relationships and have a good time chatting here as well as other places.
BTW, was that foot story true?? Maybe I am a bit slow on decifering this stuff, but I'd thought I'd ask. It is sometime hard to read and understand correctly here on an electronic message board. It isn't the same as face to face/ over the phone.
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There is a lot of truth on here, Lou I am with you totally in wanting to expose these self-hating computer dorks who may be making hot girls actually feel bad about themselves because of their own personal problems, and when I EVER see negative comments on here I usually feel the need to refute these sad individuals, although thankfully, and even more sad for the bashers I think most people see that for what it is and these models are too busy leading their own lives often times to even SEE the garbage. Miss MacKenzie I assure you one of the few constant facts Ive found about life is that when talking about the human race you simply cannot ever group a whole division of people based on certain behaviors, there are all kinds of reasons this may appear true, but if you really give it some thought it is quite contradictory to reality. Dont get negative you will are bound to meet what you may think of as the exceptions as long as you keep yourself in the game. Dont let your mind slip into repeating negativity that leads to repeating patterns, I may sound nuts but I used to be so underconfident I could barely speak to people, then i did CBT(cognitive behavorial therapy) and my life is completely different. It was only once I realized that noone else was to blame for my negative experiences in life that the patterns did a 180, and my reactions to negative things and people finally changed. Hang in there everybody, people can suck a whole lot! lolll
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"Lou I am with you totally in wanting to expose these self-hating computer dorks who may be making hot girls actually feel bad about themselves because of their own personal problems, and when I EVER see negative comments on here I usually feel the need to refute these sad individuals, although thankfully, and even more sad for the bashers I think most people see that for what it is and these models are too busy leading their own lives often times to even SEE the garbage."
Very good point guitardrew. Maybe my even acknowledging the comments made by these "wastes of sperm and eggs" hating on these girls is doing nothing more than watering the weeds...that is, just leave them alone and hopefully these human weeds will fizzle out and disappear on their own. And it stands to reason...I mean, when a person's life is for shit, such as these computer dorks who fear both sunlight and women, then they're happy just getting attention, be it negative or otherwise, so I believe your point is solid.
"It's just really hard to find guys who break the mold. The more I see of guys my age, the more I see the guys who just want the "hot chick." "
I may be mistaken, but it seems, historically anyway, that relationships involving older men and younger women tend to work better. I don't know any statistics to quote off of, but I've always heard that women usually mature, mentally that is, four years faster than men do. A 20 year old girl will think like a 20 year old, whereas a guy who is 20 may have a lot of 16 year old tendencies. That's not to say that women are more intelligent, or that young guys are inherently dumb, I think it just goes to show the kinds of cards that we as humantiy are left dealt, so we have to play accordingly.
Of course, to every "rule" there is always an exception. In both of my grandfathers' cases, my grandmothers were considerably younger than they when they married...one grandmother by four years, and the other grandmother by 16 years...and yes, without giving out actual ages, both marriages would land both of my grandfathers in jail now-a-days. But, to both couples' credit, both marriages lasted, literally, until death when they parted...rock-solid relationships to say the least.
However, in my personal case, my wife was nine years younger than me and that marriage hit the rocky shores all too quick. So, to that "rule", I can say my situation was an exception.
That'd be my advice to you though, MissMcKenzie, if you don't mind my saying...you need to shoot for an older age bracket. Obviously you're looking for a guy with his ducks lined up better than you've found thus far, and the guys your own age aren't cutting it for you. Give the older, more refined guys a chance...your luck may turn around!
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quote:Originally posted by MissMcKenzie: I definitely like older guys, in fact, my longest relationship, about two years, was with a guy who two years older than me. My next longest relationship, 7 months, was with a guy who was about a year older than me. It's just that guys mature slower than females, they're about two years behind, so I need to find someone who's about 22. And at that age, they've (pretty much) gotten over the "WHOOOO, we're in college, let's drink until we pass out and bring chicks back to the room and throw things out the window at the people walking outside the building" thing.
If guys were emotionally abusive to you that means that they have low self esteem. Don't let them get you down. I have seen many of those jerks and they make me mad because they give all guys a bad name. I have seen it over and over and wonder why girls go out with jerks like them. If girls would go out with guys with a foot fetish, the girls would be much happier I love to compliment girls on here. It makes me feel good and I think many girls deserve it.
It's also true that guys mature slower than girls. I am 25, and I'd say most girls 20-25 are about as mature as I am. I can still be childish, I admit. My last girlfriend was 28, so maybe that is why she felt I was a bit "immature".
I was never into the college party scene or drinking. I just always viewed it as silly. Being at an arts school, I saw a lot of it though. I just kept my distance.
I am a private person when it comes to intimacy, so I wasn't very outgoing. I have always been a bit shy. But I am very passionate when in a relationship.
BTW, are you in the US?? Just curious.
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quote:Originally posted by ilikesoftpeds: [QUOTE]Originally posted by MissMcKenzie: [qb] I have seen many of those jerks and they make me mad because they give all guys a bad name. I have seen it over and over and wonder why girls go out with jerks like them.
unfortunatly for nicer more respectable guys alot of girls wouldn't have it any other way
nice guys are boring they need drama
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I gotta say it is hella wrong for them to say that about her. If they don't like it, then don't look. I mean they are entitled to their opinions, but it is wrong for them to trash her like that. And as far as guys and girls go....the bottom line... is that.... PEOPLE IN GENERAL SUCK
Both men and woman. Each has their flaws, but still remain similar. It's just human nature that people hurt one another. It has been going on since the begining and will continue to the end.. But you learn to deal with it. I have a very close female friend (who happens to be bi.. and she was screwed over by every guy she dated. She decided to go and start dating girls, since she saw that sometimes a woman can understand more and love more and blah blah..and after a while the girl cheated on her and left her for another woman. My point is you have to take the good with the bad-there is no easy way around it.
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They're probably just brooding because she turned the Alpha-Dork of the group down so in order to uphold the unity of their pathetic crew they need to all take potshots.
Or they're a bunch of retarded 14 year old hillbillies whose idea of fun is playing Diablo all day and typing "U R A FAGGOT!"back and forth at each other. Later they'll probably go beat off in their sister's bedroom and eat their dingleberries.
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I completely agree with Lou on this. It does get me miffed off when people have to subject other people to all kinds of negativity, which includes posting unflattering things about other people's pictures. This gets me miffed even when I see it here on this forum (Although, I have to say that negativity here is very minimal and, for the most part, most of the great people on here really have manners, which is great!) and other foot related forums. There are some foot related forums that used to be good but then a whole influx of people joined who have nothing better to do with their time but tear down other people's work of taking and posting pictures. What does that really accomplish in the long run? I've seen people who took this kind of so-called "criticism" to heart and, as a result, left and never posted anything again. In my opinion, everyone loses when that happens.
To me, the rule of thumb on forums is that if you don't like something you see, then simply move on to something else and don't say anything about it! It's kind of like watching TV. If you don't like what's on, pick up the damn remote and change the channel! No one is holding a gun to your head and making you view the material! Click and move on! From what I've seen, usually the negative posts cause online fights among the parties with their differing opinions and people begin to take sides. Then you have people firing insults at each other and the main issue, the content (i.e. the pictures) hardly even matters anymore and is long forgotten. What sense does that make?
Granted, there are those out there who feel they have to get a "one-up" on everyone else and think it's cool to disrespect others or feel that to take the advice of not saying anything at all is a "direct violation of their rights under the First Amendment" and all of that crap. While it's important to have the right to say what we want to say, it's also important not to abuse that right as well.
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