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Now, because of this, the curse of death is created by God 'cause of the forbidden fruit. Now, if God created death after Adam & Eve disobeyed and ate the forbidden then, how did the dinosaurs die out IF, they came before the curse of death?

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Almost overlooked this part of your question!

The curse of death which you're refering to applies to humanity, there was never any sort of hint that God had granted potential immortality to animals too. Humans could've lived forever if the fruit wasn't eatten, but there was no mention of animals getting the same treatment or having to go on the same guide lines.

Thanks for asking these questions Bro. I could talk religion all day long!

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Originally posted by tasm:
Dinosaurs probably were first. LOU,since you can talk religion all day,I was wandering if you could answer this.I read that when we die,we know nothing and don't think.But others who read the bible say we go to a place called "hades" one side is for good people and one is for bad.On the good side,people experience peace and on the bad side,people experience torture.

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What you're refering to sounds like a reference to the parable Jesus used in telling about Lazarus and the rich man. In the parable He described that after both people died the rich man was in anguish, while across a great gulf, he could see Lazarus "in Abraham's bosom". Abraham tells the rich man that while in life he received everything good while Lazarus didn't, so according to their deeds they were justly rewarded after death. And, keep in mind I'm seriously paraphrasing here, so if you want me to back any of this stuff up with Scripture, please say so and I'll do it in a follow-up post.

Another reference to this is what King Solomon wrote in the book of Ecclesiastes, describing a place called "Sheol", where the dead are "conscious of nothing at all".

Another point of reference is in the book of Job where Job asks God to "hide him in hell until His wrath passed", because Job had lost everything and was miserable beyond belief.

There is another place in the Bible talking about a place where Angels are imprisoned for defiling human women, and the place is known as "Tartarus".

Jesus also talked of a place called "Gehenna" where "the fire is never quenched and the worm dieth not".

Okay, the reason I'm pointing all of this out is because of one major point: translation. When King James had the Bible translated to English, some of these places got the name "hell" slapped onto them. Now, in my opinion, calling all of these places hell is a serious problem, because all of these places are called different names originally because they're all different places to begin with.

Now, if you were to ask my take on it all, I view our death as a total cessation of all consiousness until Judgement Day, at which point God has two different resurrections take place; the first for the righteous, and the second one for the damned. At which point the saved go on into Paradise and the damned go to the Lake of Fire, which the Bible calls the second death. In the Lake of Fire, the damned suffer, but it's not for eternity; essentially they burn up and out of existence.

There are some exceptions to this however: for instance Jesus talks to Moses and Elijah on a mountain top (Moses had been dead for a long time at that point, and Elijah was taken to Heaven without dying); also, while Jesus was being crucified He turned to the theif next to Him and said: "This day you'll be with me in paradise." There's also another point where Saul had the ghost of Samuel called up to ask him something.

Now, notice a pattern? The points where spirits or embodiments come in are all righteous men. It may even be safe to assume that the true prophets of God may not have to go on the same guideline that everybody else does, that they may get instant existence after death before Judgement Day. That stands to reason because, well, God's entitled to do what He wants, and why should we who try to do good reap the same rewards as people who LIVE for the sake of getting God's word out to others?

I hope this didn't get too jumbled up, but that's pretty much my take on it. If you'd like me to elaborate, I'll be glad to. Hope some of this answered your question.

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So some people that die are just unaware of anything,and some people who die,exist as a ghost in one of many places that god has set up for different people?

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Not necessarily, I'm just saying that the after-life, or rather the spirit world, going on what the Bible has to say about it, isn't really as cut and dry as a lot of us are taught in Sunday school.

Now, what you describe sounds very interesting, and while I'm not one to believe in ghosts (as in how they're generally perceived) I think the things your mom and uncle are experiencing can't just get dismissed as a happenstance either.

For instance, my mom's mom (my grandmother of course) lived with my parents for the last couple years of her life. After she died, my mother has claimed a few odd things have happened around their house. For instance, one night my mom claims she woke up for no reason just in time to see a kind of glow exit the room. She says that when she stood to look at it, it had arrived around the chair my grandmother used to sit in a lot and disappear. Pokey, the little family dog has gone to that chair several times after my grandmother's passing and stared into it, right about where my grandmother's face would be were she sitting in it, sitting at total attention like somebody's sitting there, and of course the chair would be empty...

Now me personally, my take on it is this: being as I tend to believe the "death until Judgement Day" theory, I think what people see are manifestations of kinetic energy from the dead people. This energy is incapable of consious reasoning or comprehending, however it will move in a guided pattern or patterns that the person had when they were alive. I think this stands to reason because we as humans in fact have a lot of energy in us that provides our life force, so when a person dies, where does all that energy go? I believe it resides for a while before it disperses.

Now falling back on what my mother told me about her sightings, and how the dog behaved, I have that same chair now in my home now, and the sightings and the weird behavior out of the dog at my parents' home has stopped. I don't think that was grandma's ghost wandering the house, I think it was a manifestation of some of her life force, her kinetic energy, that hung around a little too long after her body passed on.

As far as those different places God has set up, I don't think everything God does is for humanity's sake. For instance, the place called Tartarus is refered to as a place of imprisonment for the Angels that had sex with human women back when the world was first founded. In other words, think about the complexities of this known world, the physical world, and all the intricacies and mysteries it still holds. It could stagger your mind. Now, just think for a second about the spiritual world, a whole new realm that we don't even have access to in our current form, and then the mind goes in cart-wheels.

In short, the after-life holds way too many mysteries to try to really nail them down and comprehend them as easily as, say, the neighborhoods in your town, or the states in your country. We're taught the basics, but outside of that the after-life is a whole new ballgame that we won't even begin to fathom until we get there.

Hope I didn't get too preachy, and I hope my input helps you with your questions.

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I probably should have just read the bible itself.

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My Bro, that's exactly what you need to do. Not claiming I'm some authority on the Bible, but I am literally shocked and dumbfounded when I hear some of these "truthes" preached by ministers, televangelists, and pamphleteers...things they claim "the Bible says" when in fact it either doesn't say it, or it's taken waaaayyyyy out of context when they use it for their own agenda's.

However, if you don't mind me recommending, don't approach the Bible like you would in, say, how you'd read a manual to installing a car stereo, because there are a lot of intricacies of the books of the Bible you can easily miss out on unless you take it slow and soak everything you can in. Set yourself up on a program that works for you; for example pick a book in the Bible, then read only a chapter or two a night before you go to sleep, or maybe shoot for getting one book of the Bible read a week, something like this...that way you'll retain more info and have time to ponder the information and learn from it.

Happy reading.

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