I was watching headbangers ball Saturday night. Am I getting old?whats up with the new metal??These guys and girls arent even singing.Its all, I cant explain it. It sounds like they are all throwing up in the michrophone..I mean this band KITTY sounded great when she was singing the first part of the song,she then broke out into this what sounded like pukeing..All the bands sounded like this
Maybe this is a sign of my age.But I'm sorry ,all I could do Sat night was laugh out loud at these bands.
No way in HELL my man Bruce Dickinson would do this..HE IS A VOCALIST.. Pantera (My Metal Masters) doesnt even do this vomit singing.
I guess I'm just old school Posted by mystik (Member # 1420) on :
Im a huge METALlica fan, and I know exactly what you mean Sasha. Sounds a lot like
And Im really used to lyrical music (which is why i like rap so much, not the mainstream stuff) so whenever they start screaming I just scratch the top of my head and wonder what the hell theyre screaming about. I like lyrics. Lyrics are nice. You are not old school, you just appreciate good lyrics to go along with good music. I hate new mainstream music. Give me my Metallica/Hieroglyphics fix and I'll be happy. Posted by Lord (Member # 2465) on :
I have to agree i dont like that kind of music but sadly it is a sign we are getting old. My mother hated my music and her parents hated hers. Sounds like an age thing to me.
Posted by gs3647 (Member # 2418) on :
Unfortunately, I think a lot of famous metal bands can't even sing, so they just fake their way through! Older metal was good, when people would actually sing, rather than scream. Only someone who's addicted to hearing loud and ugly sounds likes hearing a song of only screaming. I always listen to metal from the 70s where guitars didn't blow up your ear drums and people could sing a note.
Posted by Calico Jack (Member # 2299) on :
The "vomit singing" that Sasha refers to is an outgrowth of the hardcore movement which has spilled over & merged together with the general moniker of "metal" these days. Let's face it, true heavy metal as we knew it becomes more & more scarce with each passing year, and the name of the genre will likely just go on to continue taking new meanings.
Since Sasha mentioned Bruce Dickinson, I'll go off on a tangent for a moment. I was a huge Iron Maiden fanatic for many years. I first got into them way back when Powerslave was still their most recent studio album at the time. I've seen them live in concert a number of times and even as recently as last summer here in NY. In many ways I owe the fact that I play guitar in large part to the influence of Maiden's lead guitarist Dave Murray. They represent so much of what real heavy metal was and is to me, and I'm really glad that they are still together as a band after 25+ years of recording albums and touring. Up the irons!
Calico Jack
P.S. - For those of us who love classic heavy metal, I strongly urge you to check out a radio show called Friday Night Rocks, hosted by a longtime metal veteran named Eddie Trunk. It's a 3 hour weekly program which airs at 11:00 PM here in New York City on 104.3 FM, but it's broadcast around the country and you can most likley stream the feed right off the web as well. Check it out at www.eddietrunk.com. Eddie typically plays the likes of Maiden, AC/DC, Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, KISS, Metallica, Anthrax, The Scorpions, Dio, Motohead, and on and on...
Posted by Sasha (Member # 1842) on :
Calico,
I saw that Maiden show last Summer too.....
Its was awesome!!!! Maiden started with number of the beast and didnt stop!!!! It was great to see all the guys back together. The show I saw included Motorhead!!!!! They too were awesome!!!!!OLD SCHOOL METAL!!!!!!!!!! Posted by Calico Jack (Member # 2299) on :
Awesome, Sasha! I'm real glad that you had a chance to see them during that tour because the setlist was indeed most kickass! Motorhead was also the opening act at my show too, along with Dio in the middle slot sandwiched between Motorhead & Maiden. I'm not sure if you've heard this story or not, but here goes:
There was a night during the tour last summer during which Nicko McBrain had an altercation with one of the parking lot attendants at the Jones Beach ampitheater in NY. McBrain rolled into the artist's parking lot about an hour prior to showtime and was stopped by an attendant who requested to see his identification. Nicko didn't have any ID on him, and the attendant refused to let him pass. Outraged that the attendant didn't recognize who he was, Nicko rolled his car forward and bumped the attendant with the hood of the car as if to say, "Get back, I'm coming through." What he actually did say to the attendant was something more along the lines of "Get out of the way or I'll hit you again." The attendant stood his ground and McBrain indeed rolled forward once again more forcefully, this time knocking the attendant to the ground. McBrain was arrested at the scene and brought down to headquarters to fill out paperwork, at which point he was then released and allowed to return to the venue & play the gig. He ended up appearing in a Long Island courthouse one month later, and apparently the matter has still has not yet been completely resolved as of two weeks ago. Why am I telling you all this? Because this happened at the show that I was at!! hehehe I never suspected anything that night, and Maiden hit the stage as scheduled at the appropriate time. They all seemed to be in decent spirits, and it wasn't until I got home late that night that I saw the headlines on the Web about what had happened before the show. The funny thing is that I was down there in the parking lot when it took place and just didn't realize it.
Calico Jack
Posted by DJ (Member # 1698) on :
Great topic, as metal is my favorite type of music!
I don't really know where to start though, as there are some points in the thread I want to address, as well as name some bands I like.
The "new" metal scene with Hatebreed, Lamb of God, etc.. are the Judas Priest's and Maiden's of our era. I know I will hear something about that statement. I am not COMPARING those band's, just giving an example of the times and how they change.
Major label's are signing these artist's who "scream" and sound constipated when growling out the "words". It is a new wave of music for a new generation and selling VERY well.
Sasha, I have known Pantera since they were a "hair" band in Texas in the early 80's. Yes, they were a hair band that did cover tunes at clubs.
Phil's new band SuperJoint Ritual is more along the lines of this newer style growling music, but they are a great band. Phil just needs to stay sober long enough to finish a set.
I spoke with him not too long ago and a Pantera reunion is very possible. I would like to see that!
I have always loved Metallica, Priest, Sabbath, Maiden (saw that same tour last year also Sasha and they sounded as good as they did in 82!)
Times change, so does the music! We all get to have our own choice's and can change the radio or CD anytime we like.
I was listening to the Misfit's earlier and switched to ZZ Top for while.
Posted by gs3647 (Member # 2418) on :
It seems teenagers just like people throwing up into the mic. I may have been a teenager 10 years ago, but I'll never understand them again Posted by Sasha (Member # 1842) on :
I agree gs3647.I'm with ya..
Posted by Ramsfan (Member # 1996) on :
Yeah, today's music stinks as a whole.
It's either throwing up in the mic or lip synching Posted by Calico Jack (Member # 2299) on :
Just a reminder to those old-school metalheads out there that it's Friday nite, and that means Eddie Trunk will be hosting Friday Night Rocks tonite from 11:00 PM - 2:00 AM, spinning the very best of classic heavy metal. Plus his special guest tonight in the studio will be Ronnie James Dio! Here's a list of the radio stations that currently carry Eddie's weekly broadcast:
Q104.3 (WAXQ FM): Market #1, our NYC flagship serving NY, NJ, LI & CT Every Friday night LIVE from 11PM-2AM NY's only Classic Rock Station, NY's ONLY hard rock/metal show!!
WTOS FM Portland/Augusta ME 105 TOS The Mountain Sunday's 6-9AM Monday's Midnight-3AM
WNGZ Elmira NY Classic Rock That Really Rocks Sunday's 10P-1A
WRCZ Albany NY 94 Rock Sunday's 8P-11P
KATS Yakima WA. 94.5 The Rock Station Saturday's 10P-1A
KLFX Killeen/Waco TX. The Fox Rocks Saturday's 10P-1A
KCGQ Real Cape Girardeau/Paducah MO. Real Rock 99.3 Saturday's 8PM-11PM
KKBX FM Fargo ND The Box 101.9 Classic Rock That Rocks Sunday's 10PM-1AM
WHMH Rockin 101.7 Minneapolis/St. Cloud MN. LIVE Friday's 10PM-1AM
The Bone 98.5 FM Suffolk Cty, Long Island NY 7-10PM Friday nights
If you don't get any of the above stations near you, you can always tune in to the worldwide web stream of the broadcast at www.KNAC.com. It airs Thursday's & Saturday's 7AM-10AM Pacific, 10AM-1PM Eastern. I'll be listening, as always.
Calico Jack
Posted by FTPHANTOM (Member # 47) on :
I listen to metal,I call it rage music,cuzz thats what I listen too when I'm pissed off about some thing.or I gotta listen to it before I go to work.
Posted by Ramsfan (Member # 1996) on :
I love Black Sabbath Posted by Gigi (Member # 1552) on :
quote:Originally posted by mystik: Im a huge METALlica fan, and I know exactly what you mean Sasha. Sounds a lot like
METALLICA, MY FAVORITES !! Hedfield come to hot gigi girl, i have a foot that wants to meet you... i am going to see them in concert (again) in Nov. out come the highest , sexiest heels with the shortest skirt known to man (or woman).
nothing else matters ...other than a metallica concert (and getting my toes done every week).
my favorite song is "for whom the bell tolls". everytime i listen to it, i close my eyes and see them on stage, my skin tingles, its also good for makeup sex , when you are mad at your spouse and he deserves to be grudge fucked.... I like doing that to sad but true....
ok, i will shut up now.
Posted by ledaemon (Member # 198) on :
Interesting thread! I'm a very much old school metal fan, but the bands I like are Maiden, Metallica (pre-suck 90's) Sabbath, Megadeth, Slayer, etc. I never understood the glam-hair metal that was on the total other side of that spectrum though.
Someone mentioned Pantera in their early days. Believe it or not they were the house band at a small dive club close to where I live called "Joe's Garage." They played that joint every Friday night while I was in high school. I remember this one guy I was in school with had the band come over to his house to party after one of their shows. Mind you, this was before they became popular back in the early to mid 80's when Pantera themselves looked like a bunch of skinny high school punk kids!
I've seen Maiden about 6 times now. First time around was '86 for Somewhere in Time tour and then most recently for the tour mentioned with Motorhead and Dio.
Posted by Neo (Member # 1891) on :
As music evolved, so have some of the classifications. Heavy Metal is a broad word now for many bands. Seems that Old School is the default definition of Heavy metal. Now we have things like Straight edge, Grind core, hard core and so on. Slayer has been kicking ass for many years now and they havent slowed down a bit. I am 34 and have been a concert junkie for over 20 years. Seen more bands than I can remember. Some I have met and wished that I never had. My mental picture of them was far nicer than the assholes some of them turned out to be. I hate to say this, but, the true, pure, good shit is gone and dead! I saw Pantera in NYC, winter of 94`, and that was THE LAST pure show and moshing. It was already getting ruined by the young meatheads who thought moshing was meant to be violent. Ignorance that leads violence. No matter what band you may speak of, if they are heavy, they grew up and were influenced by BLACK SABBATH. Ozzy Sabbath of course. Judas Priest was Metal back then, EYEHATEGOD is metal now. Oh, and before I go any further, RAP HAS NO PLACE IN METAL! O-Town was at Ozzfest, and I went to more than one as usuall, they were so out of place at a METAL show, that they were boo-ed by the crowd at most places. Fucking kids voices havent even finished changing. The real problem is that the only music you will ever hear on the radio, see at the music store or find on MTV, is the signed, bubblegum crap that the exec`s want to sell you. It is a sad fact, but if Jimmy Hendrix or Janis Joplin were alive in this day and age, they would never have even been heard. We would be to busy rocking out to Linkin Park or O-Town. What does it say when a poser like Puff Daddy gets his name on the map using a LED ZEPPLIN riff? Loser. I was weened on Pantera, but Phils new band lets him talk even more. He spend more time talking shit on the mic than singing. I gave up a great MachineHead shirt to get 4 of us backstage to meet Pantera, and after meeting them, I wanted my shirt back. On the other hand, even if you hate the guys music, Marylin Manson is by far the most intelligent rock related person I have come across. If you get him, then you get him, if you dont, there is a reason as well. He scares parents into raising their children properly. Someone has to do it. Hehe.
Posted by Sasha (Member # 1842) on :
quote: Marylin Manson is by far the most intelligent rock related person I have come across. If you get him, then you get him
I saw Manson about three years ago.. The show was incredible!! I dont quite get into the BIBLE bashing he gets into.But for the most part he knows how to ROCK the joint..very very talented
Posted by Neo (Member # 1891) on :
I first saw him 11-12 years ago. I knew back then that he was on to something. It saddens me, but even he has grown rich and lazy as well now. The Bible bashing makes religious parents keep their kids close and off the crack! Hehe. Thats his thing, if you think like him, then you enjoy him, if you dont like him, he still instills something in you, like it or not. He only frightens the ignorant. But thats how it works with everything anyway. Been on a Clutch kick for a while now.
[ September 28, 2004, 12:00 AM: Message edited by: Neo ]
Posted by gs3647 (Member # 2418) on :
I owned a cat as a kid, but she was older than me, and died just before my 13th birthday. She was one crazy cat!
Posted by Calico Jack (Member # 2299) on :
quote:Originally posted by gs3647: I owned a cat as a kid, but she was older than me, and died just before my 13th birthday. She was one crazy cat!
I'm guessing that you meant to put this comment in the thread about owning a pet, but hey, even us folks who like heavy metal can still love crazy kitties too. I sure love mine!
Calico Jack
Posted by Pink (Member # 1577) on :
Did the Kitty kill the thread? Posted by Sasha (Member # 1842) on :
OK!!!! Photo Guy and I watched Headbangers ball and Uranium this weekend again...I understand the explanation from above.....How the metal has crossed with hardcore......
IM OFFICIALLY OLD SCHOOL..........I Think the new puke music SUCKS!!!!!!!
I'm getting old having this attitude..I remember my Grandmother telling my BROTHER and I to shut the GNR off .......ITS ALL JUST NOISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thats what I think of some of this new METAL.......NOISE!!!!!!!! I"M OLD!!!!!!!!!YIKES
Posted by rhbdz17 (Member # 2492) on :
This so-called new metal music is no different from the thrash/death metal that I listened to in the 80s.
Metal and most forms of music go through cycles. In the 70s, we had all that disco crap. So, then Priest and Maiden became the alternative and actually somewhat mainstream. A new form of rebellion was necessary. Bands like Metallica, Slayer,and Megadeth were born. To take things further, bands like Sepultura, Death, and Morbid Angel were formed. More extreme forms of metal continued to develop. Punk became hardcore which became grindcore like Napalm Death.
Eventually,heavier metal became saturated and died out. Something new was needed. Bands like Tool, Deftones, and Korn came out. The music was almost as heavy, but more melodic. So, over time, all the nu-metal bands were formed and recently became suturated as well. That's why we're seeing a return to heavier bands like Lambs of God and the other bands you see on Headbanger's Ball. Eventually this will become saturated and passe, and some other form of music will develop. It's a healthy process and an answer to all that processed garbage we hear these days on alternative stations.
The other form of alternative music in the 80s was that glam hair metal crap. It was basically pop music disguised as rebellion. Thankfully Nirvana provided a musical abortion on those bands.
Posted by bareheelsmoocher (Member # 2984) on :
Ho ho ho!... 70's & 80's Metal Rockers here in the house!... Yeeeaaaahhhh.... I was always right! I always had this feeling that this site is my family... ...my same-feathered friends... Luvyah peepz!
Posted by z80 ParaNoia (Member # 1767) on :
quote:Originally posted by rhbdz17: This so-called new metal music is no different from the thrash/death metal that I listened to in the 80s.
exactly, new metal is just mainstreamed and modernized 80's death and thrash metal. it's always been around..just had a different name and face back in the day. i love it.
Posted by SeattleSoleMan73 (Member # 2995) on :
I used to have a radio show called Assault & Battery. Got to meet all the big timers and up n comers. My tastes are more in the Cannibal Corpse/Morbid angel vein, but I still love the classics. Got to meet Ozzy, which was the pinnacle for me..Here are my fave metal bands.
Metallica (pre-haircuts), Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax (Joey Belladonna era), Motorhead, The Misfits, Sepultura (with Max Cavalera), Cannibal Corpse, Malevolent Creation, Hammerfall, Death (R.I.P. Chuck schuldiner), the list just goes on and on and on and on.............
Posted by tasm (Member # 3081) on :
my favorite metal and hard rock bands are,ac/dc-iron maiden(i too was at the 03 concert with dio and motorhead)(I live near pittsburgh)-ozzy-zeppelin-early def leppard-alittle ratt and kiss.Did anyone ever hear of "piledriver"They have this song called"sodomize the dead"It's funny,the only lyrics are "sodomize the dead" And i too don't like todays metal,it sounds like eratic noise,no tune to it.Also, i don't like alternative but i was wondering does anyone else think alot of the 90's alternative bands singers voices sound too much the same?Like they are trying to copy pearl jam?
Posted by rhbdz17 (Member # 2492) on :
SeattleSoleMan73
Ah, you brought back great memories. I was friends with a lot of the bands that you mentioned, including Chuck S. I was a big supporter of Death back in the days, but Chuck and I had a falling out because I got into Morbid Angel too much. Chuck was pretty jealous of them. Sounds silly now. RIP.
Sepultura stayed at my place when they first visited the U.S. I once took Malevolent Creation down to Times Square because they wanted to see a peep show. I wonder if I was the only one staring at the girls'feet.
Speaking of which, I just heard Kerry Windsor on my tv say, "she thinks she knows how to suck feet. No one sucks feet like I do". Man, this foot fetish stuff is becoming so mainstream.
Posted by face_pedestal (Member # 3194) on :
The new "puke" vocals are not new at all. Many of these bands are ripping off older death and black metal bands and combining it with crappy pop melodies.
I love old school metal. Be it classic, thrash, black, death, or doom. But, even though a lot of the newer stuff on headbanger's ball TECHNICALLY sounds like some older black, and death metal ( namely AT THE GATES), it is not even in the realm of metal aesthetics. Metal was not just founded on heaviness, and melody, but also, DARKNESS, and MYSTIQUE. Most of these new bands on headbanger's ball can't seem to comprehend that.
But there ARE new metal bands out there that are great, you just don't hear about them. If you're into Maiden or Priest, you might like Primal Fear. The vocalist sounds more like Halford than Ripper does. Also another newer "power metal" band that kicks ass is Brocas Helm. Great melodies, darkness and mystique. Of course you won't hear it on EmptyV's Headbanger's ball. Of course there are still many black metal, and death metal bands that are underground that are new and good, but I'm sure many of you don't care about that style.
Posted by face_pedestal (Member # 3194) on :
One more thing I have to add. I'm assuming that you "old school" metal fans are all in the U.S. The reason I assume this is because in the early 90s the U.S was cut off from the METAL WORLD.
I also live in the U.S., but rather than following the American media's portrayal of metal, I have been keeping my "ears to the tracks" so to speak on the internet.
In the U.S., the early 90s spelled disaster for metal. Headbanger's Ball was cancelled, and major record labels booted metal bands from their fold. As a result, the youth of America lost it's connection with metal. This, however, was not a worldwide phenomena. In the rest of the world, metal has remained. As a result, in many countries you still see young "metal-heads" with long hair, denom and leather, and metal shirts. In the U.S., however, things are different. The younger generation doesn't know about metal. They grew up on rap, and mall-core. Therefore, you see these new American "metal" bands on the new Headbanger's ball that are totally clueless.
The United States is basically the laughing stock of the metal world as a result of this. While the rest of the world remained METAL, the U.S. was concerned with trends. Today, in the world, Iron Maiden and bands like them represent metal. Everywhere except the U.S., of course. In the U.S. , Korn represents "metal". Basically musically speaking, the U.S. is like a giant nerd colony.
But on the brighter side, there are SO MANY melodic classic metal bands that are popular everywhere EXCEPT the U.S. Examples are Susperia, Angra, Dragon Force, Iced Earth, EverGrey, Bewitched, and many others. Plus there all the thrash, death, and black bands that still have the oldschool feel.
I know by watching MTV, you would think the metal scene sucks now. But it's only the AMERICAN metal scene. The rest of the world still is, and has always been metal.
Posted by 21ToeSucker (Member # 3187) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sasha: I was watching headbangers ball Saturday night. Am I getting old?whats up with the new metal??These guys and girls arent even singing.Its all, I cant explain it. It sounds like they are all throwing up in the michrophone..I mean this band KITTY sounded great when she was singing the first part of the song,she then broke out into this what sounded like pukeing..All the bands sounded like this
Maybe this is a sign of my age.But I'm sorry ,all I could do Sat night was laugh out loud at these bands.
No way in HELL my man Bruce Dickinson would do this..HE IS A VOCALIST.. Pantera (My Metal Masters) doesnt even do this vomit singing.
I guess I'm just old school
I'm 21, I'm with ya though...
Iron Maiden, Bruce Dickinson, Helloween, Megadeth, Mettalica, Van Halen, Sammy Hagar, Ozzy, AC/DC, Ratt, Poison, Skid Row, Extreme, Def Leppard, KISS, Led Zeppelin, Judas Priest, Scorpions, Dokken... Well... You know the deal! Posted by 21ToeSucker (Member # 3187) on :
quote:Originally posted by face_pedestal: One more thing I have to add. I'm assuming that you "old school" metal fans are all in the U.S. The reason I assume this is because in the early 90s the U.S was cut off from the METAL WORLD.
I also live in the U.S., but rather than following the American media's portrayal of metal, I have been keeping my "ears to the tracks" so to speak on the internet.
In the U.S., the early 90s spelled disaster for metal. Headbanger's Ball was cancelled, and major record labels booted metal bands from their fold. As a result, the youth of America lost it's connection with metal. This, however, was not a worldwide phenomena. In the rest of the world, metal has remained. As a result, in many countries you still see young "metal-heads" with long hair, denom and leather, and metal shirts. In the U.S., however, things are different. The younger generation doesn't know about metal. They grew up on rap, and mall-core. Therefore, you see these new American "metal" bands on the new Headbanger's ball that are totally clueless.
The United States is basically the laughing stock of the metal world as a result of this. While the rest of the world remained METAL, the U.S. was concerned with trends. Today, in the world, Iron Maiden and bands like them represent metal. Everywhere except the U.S., of course. In the U.S. , Korn represents "metal". Basically musically speaking, the U.S. is like a giant nerd colony.
But on the brighter side, there are SO MANY melodic classic metal bands that are popular everywhere EXCEPT the U.S. Examples are Susperia, Angra, Dragon Force, Iced Earth, EverGrey, Bewitched, and many others. Plus there all the thrash, death, and black bands that still have the oldschool feel.
I know by watching MTV, you would think the metal scene sucks now. But it's only the AMERICAN metal scene. The rest of the world still is, and has always been metal.
Not to mention, Edguy, Dream Evil, or Nocturnal Rites
Posted by Sasha (Member # 1842) on :
quote: In the U.S., the early 90s spelled disaster for metal. Headbanger's Ball was cancelled, and major record labels booted metal bands from their fold.
I remember this ..BIG TIME..GRUNGGGGGGGGGGGGG Killed that era, and started a new stle and look in MUSIC...(One little song called TEEN SPIRIT and the rest is HISTORY......)
I remember the early 90's well..My boys.GUNS & ROSES closed up shop never to be heard of again.. Posted by Tweener (Member # 1630) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sasha:
quote:
I remember the early 90's well..My boys.GUNS & ROSES closed up shop never to be heard of again..
I wouldn't consider myself a dedicated Guns 'n Roses fan, but I do like most of the songs on Appetite for Destruction. I think my three favorites are Night Train, Mr. Brownstone and Rocket Queen.
"I used to do a little but a little wouldn't do it so the little got more 'n mo-wore!"
Good stuff.
Posted by Sasha (Member # 1842) on :
1986-1987 ,when I was 13 and 14, my brother used to take me to the Troubador and Roxy in Hollywood to see the Guns back in their club days...It was very special to see a band come up from the gutter to one of the biggest bands in the world....
Posted by 21ToeSucker (Member # 3187) on :
You can still see Metal Skool at the Roxy every monday night!!!!!!!!!
Posted by DJ (Member # 1698) on :
Man, I loved all those clubs! Haven't been there in ages.
Been to LA in the last 2 years for several different shows, but not on the strip.
Posted by You (Member # 2107) on :
i got to see guns and roses live once...when i was 15...then, as Sasha said, a little band called nirvana came out to rock my fucking world!
Posted by 21ToeSucker (Member # 3187) on :
Screw Nirvana and the rest of the grunge scene... I'll stick with Extreme, Van Halen, LA Guns, Guns N Roses, Motley Crue, Poison, Ozzy, Megadeth, Dio, and all that awesome stuff. Grunge just doesn't do anything for me...
Posted by You (Member # 2107) on :
its ok, you dont have to like the good bands.... ...seriously though, why? lol just a matter of personal taste or something..deeper?
Posted by 21ToeSucker (Member # 3187) on :
Uuuhhhh... personal taste as well as other things... In the 80s, at least for the first half of them, you had to have a little bit talent to get recognized. Then the 90s came along and any whiny kid who knew a power chord or could moan and scream took over. Most of the 90s stuff is just talentless boring rubbish... IMHO... I like Alice In Chains and some of the Soundgarden stuff, but for the most part the 90s and after suck! www.hardrockin80s.com features some newer bands that rock though. Like The Watchmen, from Argentina, not to be confused with the band by the same name from Canada. www.watchmen.com.ar for
Posted by You (Member # 2107) on :
well, i disagree with you wholeheartedly i spent my late teen years in the early 90´s so...as much as i like motley, gn´r, etc i have to say the *grunge scene* meant and still means a lot to me, its more about visceral feelings and viceral state of minds, to me at least.
we can agree to disagree, no problem.
Posted by face_pedestal (Member # 3194) on :
Personally, I don't like the glam scene or the grunge scene. I don't really consider either one of them to be real metal. But, I can tolerate glam much more than grunge.
Posted by You (Member # 2107) on :
umm of course none of them are/were real metal* ¿:?
Posted by face_pedestal (Member # 3194) on :
quote:Originally posted by You: umm of course none of them are/were real metal* ¿:?
Well, The only reason I brought that up is because the title of this thread is "HEAVY METAL", and I know several people who think that glam and grunge are both metal.
Posted by vasduten (Member # 2211) on :
I saw metallica in 87, the "And Justice For all" tour, not bad and pretty loud! Bonham opened... hehehe fizzle fizzle, pop! I saw motorhead at a rinky-dink pavillion in MA back in 90, there were like 100 poeple there, lol... I liked it, but have to admit they sounded lame. What a drag it is getting old...
Posted by Calico Jack (Member # 2299) on :
quote:Originally posted by vasduten: I saw motorhead at a rinky-dink pavillion in MA back in 90, there were like 100 poeple there, lol... I liked it, but have to admit they sounded lame.
hehe... I saw Motorhead last summer when they opened for Dio & Iron Maiden, and I must admit that I hung around with friends in the parking lot until it was time for Maiden to come on. Then I went in and found my seats.
Calico Jack
Posted by Sasha (Member # 1842) on :
I saw the same show Calico.i thing Motorhead should of been #2 on the bill.Much better than Dio... That was two summers ago.Not last summer.
Posted by vasduten (Member # 2211) on :
I agree, Sasha, Motorhead was much cooler than Dio... hehehe Dio...
Posted by Calico Jack (Member # 2299) on :
I had a feeling it might've been 2 years ago as I was writing it, but I figured that you'd be able to correct me if I was wrong because I remember that you saw that concert, Sasha. Perhaps subconsciously I was attempting to cover for the fact that I didn't see any good concerts last summer. hehe And incidentally I completely agree, I also would've put Motorhead 2nd in that line-up. Even standing out in the parking lot, the differences between the Motorhead & Dio sets were more than discernible!
Calico Jack
Posted by feet lover (Member # 2048) on :
for all of you metal heads check out vh1 classic.thewy have metal mania on mondays at 11am and 11pm.on fridays they have it on at 12pm and again at midnight. and they have it on saturdays at 11am until 1pm.and again at 11pm until 1am.its an awesome show.im goin to say this but the music we hear today doesn't belong on the airwaves.we should just stick with the music from the 80's where we had iron maiden, dokken, slayer, metal church, judas priest,etc.at least you could understand their music and the music had true meaningnot like the music if today.
Posted by Calico Jack (Member # 2299) on :
Speaking of VH1 Classic and Metal Mania, those segments are frequently hosted by Eddie Trunk, the same guy that I told everybody about back on September 15th when this thread first got started. He hosts a radio show called Friday Night Rocks. It's a 3 hour weekly program which airs at 11:00 PM here in New York City on 104.3 FM, and he also does a Saturday Night Rocks version of the show on satellite radio (XM I believe) on Saturday nights. Check it out at www.eddietrunk.com. Eddie typically plays the likes of Maiden, AC/DC, Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, KISS, Metallica, Anthrax, The Scorpions, Dio, Motohead, and on and on. I never miss it!
Calico Jack
Posted by SoleLove2 (Member # 3004) on :
Ok...I tried to stay away from this topic as I would like to consider myself the biggest "metalhead" here. But Metal music today is a lot different. Sure there are the classic "Heavy Metal" bands like Iron Maiden, Dio, Judas Priest, and Dream Theater.... but there are also MANY different types of metal out there. The best explination I can give is in a link: www.n3kr0metal.tk .
I listen to a lot of metal, primarilly the stuff you older folks would consider "hard" (Look at my avatar... Opeth is my favorite band. Beautiful music, powerful vocals).
Well, the best way I can describe metal today is to give a list of metal bands that are well-known in the metal community.
...And Oceans Amon Amarth Burzum Finntroll Kalmah Bathory In Flames Slayer Napalm Death Morbid Angel Cryptopsy Emperor Electric Wizard
The list goes on and on. This is really what the modern metal is, although many of the bands i listen to have been playing for years and years (like Slayer).
I'm quite tired, or i would post more. Go to the link for a in depth analysis of all the types of metal and examples of each type.
Posted by hott3028 (Member # 3839) on :
Like every form of music, METAL has been broken up into many sub-genres.
The most intersting Hard Rock being made right now are:
SYSTEM OF A DOWN - political SKINDRED - rap metal QUEENS OF THE STONE AGE - stoner rock THE DARKNESS - old school glam tribute
There are so many choices in music now, it's real hard to keep track of all the new music. But there's something for everyone.
Posted by ledaemon (Member # 198) on :
quote:Originally posted by Calico Jack: I had a feeling it might've been 2 years ago as I was writing it, but I figured that you'd be able to correct me if I was wrong because I remember that you saw that concert, Sasha. Perhaps subconsciously I was attempting to cover for the fact that I didn't see any good concerts last summer. hehe And incidentally I completely agree, I also would've put Motorhead 2nd in that line-up. Even standing out in the parking lot, the differences between the Motorhead & Dio sets were more than discernible!
Calico Jack
I saw that same show in Dallas. I always love seeing Maiden, however from the looks of it the days of touring every major stop across the U.S. are over. I've seen them at least 6 times since the "Somewhere in Time" tour and they always put on a good show.
Posted by Sasha (Member # 1842) on :
LeDaemons....That show rocked!!! It was so good to see Maiden in the type of venue they were meant to play in..It took me back to the days when I was a kid.I loved it. Just one year prior to that gig they played at some po-dunk club here without Bruce Dickinson..I went, it was not the same.
Posted by Calico Jack (Member # 2299) on :
The last time I had seen Maiden before this concert that the three of us saw was back in 1991 when they headlined their "No Prayer for the Dying" tour with Anthrax as the supporting guest. I'm an old-school Maiden fanatic from way back though, so basically everything they did from 1980-1985 is like gospel to me. They always put on a good show just as you both said, and I was thrilled with the setlist they did during this last tour with Motorhead & Dio. When the lights went out and that vocal track reading the passage from Revelations 13:18 came over the PA system, I nearly wet myself and those next to me 'cause I knew that Number of the Beast was gonna be the opening song of the show. Amazing stuff!
Calico Jack
Posted by feettreats (Member # 1250) on :
Yes, I've been a long time Maiden fan. Ever since I had seen them in concert many moons ago with a 30 foot monstrous killer Eddie on stage. Spooked the hell outta me.
My plate reads "ROCNROLL"
Gotta have my Ozzy though.
Posted by hott3028 (Member # 3839) on :
I think Maiden's most under rated album is "Somewhere In Time". Seems like everything came together on that album, songwriting, melodies, best production on a Iron Maiden record up until then. They almost achieved a POP aesthetic on that album with some great songs, awesome videos and a record jacket that you could stare at for hours and discover some neat stuff.
Alot of rockers here, that's good!
Posted by Calico Jack (Member # 2299) on :
quote:Originally posted by hott3028: They almost achieved a POP aesthetic on that album with some great songs, awesome videos and a record jacket that you could stare at for hours and discover some neat stuff.
I think it's that very pop aesthetic that you mentioned which is precisely what caused that album to be under-rated. Here's a little anecdote that I think will illustrate what I'm saying:
There was footage released on one of Maiden's old compilation VHS video packages in which Bruce is hanging out in a nightclub in Poland circa 1983 chatting with some fans. And one fan in particular tells Bruce that he wants to play heavy metal in a band on the synthesizer, to which Bruce responds "You can't play heavy metal with synthesizers." Lo and behold, 1986 rolls around, Somewhere In Time is released, and it's got synthesizers all over it.
I think many of the older Maiden fans were somewhat turned off by the pop vibe that was inherent in tracks like "Wasted Years" and "Stranger in a Strange Land". The band was criticized as having lost their edge. From a guitarist's perspective, I'll also note that more than another other Maiden album to date, Somewhere In Time is absolutely drenched with the chorus effect on the guitars, an effect that really typifies the sound inherent in mainstream pop/rock at that point in the mid 1980s. So I'd say there was definitely some sort of conscious decision to broaden their scope and go a little more mainstream on that album.
Having said all that, I'll just sum up by saying that I personally love the Somewhere In Time album very much. In addition to loving 80s metal, I also love 80s pop/rock bands like Journey, and IMHO the vibe on Somewhere In Time sounds more like Journey than anything Maiden's ever done. I think it's a brilliant album, and for those who are lucky enough to own Maiden's singles, I'd strongly advise you to check out a song called "Reach Out" which was the B-side of the "Wasted Years" single. It's a phenomenal pop/rock song written by Adrian Smith and really stands out in my mind as one of the best pieces of crossover writing that Maiden's done.
Calico Jack
Posted by Calico Jack (Member # 2299) on :
By the way, I've got Somewhere In Time spinning in the CD player as I type this. You got me in the mood! hehe
Calico Jack
Posted by hott3028 (Member # 3839) on :
Another good B-Side from that era was a song called "Juanita". I think it might be on the re-issue of "Somewhere In Time" or on a Bonus Disc.
Very cool insight on that album C.J. I agree with you, as a matter of fact, I remember guys saying at the time that Maiden had sold out -- especially if a poser like me was listening to them.
[ February 11, 2005, 11:33 PM: Message edited by: hott3028 ]
Posted by Calico Jack (Member # 2299) on :
quote:Originally posted by hott3028: Another good B-Side from that era was a song called "Juanita". I think it might be on the re-issue of "Somewhere In Time" or on a Bonus Disc.
Yeah, that song was the B-side to "Stranger in a Strange Land". I've got it on 12".
Calico Jack
Posted by Sabbath (Member # 4844) on :
I guess that I am a teenager and people of my age listents to this crappy nu-metal. I don't find death and gore that bad. I also like power metal bands like Stratovarius or Iced Earth But my favourite kind fo metal is Old School BRITISH HEavy Metal , like Iron Maiden , Judas Priest , Motorhead , Diamond Head..and my all time favourite :cheers:BLACK SABBATH:cheers: I also love classic rock like led zeppelin , jimi hendrix , the who etc..
![[Smile]](smile.gif)
![[Thumbs Up]](graemlins/thumbsup.gif)
![[Mad]](cuss.gif)
![[Cool]](cool.gif)
![[Cheers]](graemlins/cheers.gif)
![[Woot]](graemlins/woot.gif)
![[Bow Down]](graemlins/bowdown2.gif)
![[Cry]](cry.gif)
![[Wink]](wink.gif)
![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
![[Laugh]](graemlins/laugh.gif)
its ok, you dont have to like the good bands....![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
![[Hop]](graemlins/hop.gif)