I am so sick of this crap. Blacks can say anything about whites that they wish, but if a white person says ANYTHING, even repeating things that blacks say, they are chastised for it and told "You're not allowed to say that because you are white." That's total B.S.! I am so tired of these people picketing and attemtoting to sue over this crap!
ENough is is! If we cannot repeat commeon terms of another culture because of our skin tone... that's racist!
If WE can't say it... YO can't say it either. HOw's that? How about NOBODY says those things? Maybe then things will be equal.
Hold everyone to the same standard, not just whites.
Don't be hypocritical!
Posted by deeparchlover (Member # 7021) on :
I may joke about my family by calling my wife a silly hoe but what do you think would happen if a stranger were to call her the same name? You should expect anger. I'm not saying every race is its own family and have the right to call each other anything they want but each race does share some type of bond because of the problems they have faced due to their skin color. A person outside of a race cannot use these degrading terms and not expect anger.
BTW I'd like to know what racial group are you saying that can speak down towards white without any punishment. Rappers? some rap groups cannot get mainstream play because of their lyrics. Black comedians? comedians like Paul Mooney(?) are not able to get on many mainstream programs because of their content. The big comedians and rappers that get away with it? Their audiences are not only black and they are selling to all groups of races making millions.
[ April 11, 2007, 09:19 PM: Message edited by: deeparchlover ]
Posted by FootLongSub Zero (Member # 19380) on :
I think you're fighting an uphill battle there ash. This is years of evolution from the slavery days and I think it'll take years to evolve again. Hard to fight evolution, just "live and let live" Posted by ozkar (Member # 13264) on :
the only true equality in real life is that everyone's equally a fucker. that's just the way it is. i wouldn't let it bother you too much...you'd go insane otherwise.
Posted by ashifechi (Member # 16477) on :
Basically, people need to stop being such "pussies." I am so sick of the whole, "Oh, you offended me" crap.
Why can't people accept that everybody has their own opinions.
I don't care if rappers or black comedians make jokes about white, just as long as they don't bitch and complain when someone makes fun of them.
It has to be a two-way street.
Our society is so screwed up now. People are looking to sue others for miniscule comments made in jest.
Hell, even if the comments are made in malice, what ever happened to personal opinions? Freedom of speech?
People need to stop being hypocritical and complaining. If people don't want things being said, then don't want certain things said, they shouldn't promote the use of them.
If every person was honest and open about their opinions and every person had the understanding that opinions are just that, opinions, then maybe this world would be a better place.
Posted by deeparchlover (Member # 7021) on :
I just believe that some opinions should not be allowed in certain forums. Honestly, I didn't view this Imus comment as racist but just poor sexist taste. (That damn Al Sharpton always feels the need to represent for blacks making it a black/white issue) Can any media personality who reaches so many listeners compare a female to an unkept street walker w/o any backlash? I hope not to see Al Roker tell West Virginians 'You toothless skanks better hold on to your mobile homes because there's a twister comin'.
I agree with what you said about rappers and black comedians but keep in mind that they are not 'the black community'. These are just entertainers who make money by saying bullshit to shock people. If they dish the bullshit out then they should not be offended.
I don't go to work and make insults about people I barely know. You want my candid opion you can find it on the net, in my home, at any bar or among my friends. Anyone who wants to join in are always welcome to join my crazy mix of Russian, Pakistani, black and white friends.
Posted by Mighty Mike (Member # 1922) on :
it's funny how people go to counseling after saying gay or racial slurs
Posted by Fate111 (Member # 2627) on :
quote:Originally posted by deeparchlover:
I agree with what you said about rappers and black comedians but keep in mind that they are not 'the black community'. These are just entertainers who make money by saying bullshit to shock people.
And Don Imus got paid for quite a number of years, first on WNBC and then on WFAN, for doing the exact same thing you say black comedians and rappers have done: being an "entertainer who makes money by saying bullshit to shock people".
I think to say that rappers are not "the black community" really doesn't hold any water. Exactly what community are they then? I realize you're talking in general terms but what cross section of the population are they representing then?
Let's face facts. Before Don Imus made his comment on the radio, we have not seen any action or protests by any black people at all - including the two "flagships for racial equality" in the black community, Jessie Jackson & Al Sharpton - for finding the lyrics and/or certain words used by rappers as offensive or degrading. This includes the "n-word" (either ending in an "a" or "er"), and the words "ho" and "bitch" referring to females. Rappers tout it as "freedom of expression" and justify it because of their hard life out on the streets and, as such, it was not only considered part of the culture, but embraced by a certain percentage of black people. You can't tell me that only white people are buying CDs by these rappers using that kind of language! Rappers made it en vogue to use these words in the first place and it really didn't make a difference that certain "hardcore rappers" couldn't, or can't, get any airplay because it still got out there to the public. One doesn't have to look any farther than Ice-T as a typical example of this 15 or so years ago after his "Original Gangsta" CD came out. Where was the outcry from Mr. Jackson and Mr. Sharpton then over Ice-T's lyrics, which are about as "hardcore" as they come???
I agree with ash. If it's so damn wrong for Imus to say what he said, then it sure as hell should be wrong for rappers to use the term in their raps as well and they should be held just as accountable as Imus. As a result, they should lose their recording contracts with the record labels they're signed to. After all, Imus lost his job for saying the same thing some of these rappers say, and say repeatedly, by the way, in their raps. Imus and rappers, after all, are both in the entertainment field and both "make their money saying shit to shock people". And, speaking of money, Imus initially got a 2 week suspension for saying what he did and it wasn't until sponsors began pulling ads off during Imus' air time that the decision was made to let him go. Bottom line, it wasn't until broadcast corporations began losing money that pulling the plug on Imus' morning show became a viable option.... Kind of makes me wonder if a record company will pull a rapper off their label and drop their contract when their last "ho"-ridden diatribe that was recorded and made available on CD sold a million or 2 million copies, but I digress.
It wasn't until this comment made by Imus that Jackson & Sharpton, after raising such a huge stink about it, have been called to the carpet about black rappers using the word "ho" in their raps. So, as a result, let's be fair and make everyone accountable for what they're doing, no matter what their race is. It's not a two way street and what's good for Don Imus should be good for rappers using the same word, rather than making it a double standard and saying, "Oh, well, they're rappers talking about their lifestyle, so it's ok for them to use that word." Please!!!! Let's see if Jackson & Sharpton really follow through on their pledge to pressure record companies, who have signed rappers using this kind of language, into releasing these rappers from their recording contracts.
[ April 16, 2007, 07:22 PM: Message edited by: Fate111 ]
Posted by deeparchlover (Member # 7021) on :
Short and sweet-
If you believe rappers represent what most blacks say and how they think........well, we have a long way to go before understanding each other.
Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :
They need to get rid of ALL shock jocks, because they all are mental cases deep rooted, and since the public loves them so much..so spreads their hate.Weather it be Jesse jackson,sharpton,bin laden {in his own way} or Imus..a mass audience is paying attention and it gets ingrained in people's brains as something that they should "tolerate"..yet it's wrong.
Posted by ashifechi (Member # 16477) on :
Well, either they should censor EVERYONE and we can ALL surrender freedom of speech, or people can grow thicker skin and understand that opinions ARE like assholes, everybody has one, unless they are some deformed freaks of nature... (OOPS, I probably offended the minority of people without assholes! I might get sued! In which case... I whole-heartedly appologize and I will attend counseling to address my insensitivity toward "scphincterly-challenged" people.)
Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :
It's not a matter of censoring EVERYONE..just use the common sense God gave you and know when to shut your mouth..you can't tell me you would go {just to prove your point} to the most "black" neighborhood in LA and walk around calling people the N word and then telling them to "grow thicker skin"because it was your right of free speech? LOL you'd get shot man!
Posted by Mighty Mike (Member # 1922) on :
quote:Originally posted by Wrinklesguy: LOL you'd get shot man!
no offense but this would be cosidered racism
not by me but by other people
Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :
Mighty:??Explain? that didn't make sense man.
Posted by Mighty Mike (Member # 1922) on :
quote:Originally posted by Wrinklesguy: Mighty:??Explain? that didn't make sense man.
people will think you're saying because they are black they will shoot you which is basically a stereotype
I know it doesn't make sense but people are so damn sensitive these days
Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :
Ok fine, they will be vewy vewy mad and try to harm you because you said a bad word LOL..seriously, if someone is that ultra sensative they need help..I understand being correct or liberal about racism but seriously..
Posted by flash (Member # 57) on :
First of all, I find it very insulting that you support Imus or you feel that he's not at fault about his comments. I also find it very insulting that you can't understand why white people can't use the n word or other words towards black people. Go read your history books. You're funny. You used the word equal However,Black people are not responsible for unequality in the world today.We didn't create this whole racism mess about white people being better. I hold the white people responsible for that. Black people never had power. White people were not the ones who were forced into slavery. White people were not the ones who were being called names such as the n word.So do you see why a black person would find it insulting. Your thinking is the reason why racism will never go away. If a jewish guy wants to use jewish slurs among his jewish people, he has a right to do it. I can't do the same because i'm not jewish and it would be insulting. I have to respect it. I'm not going to cry and argue about it because i understand its a jewish thing. Well, the same goes for black people.
Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :
flash: who was that directed to? I obviously don't support Imus as obvious from previous posts.
Posted by bluetoelover (Member # 14736) on :
flash: get over yourself.Now.Please. What the fuck gives you the right to say that black people can say "N***** this" and "N***** that" and it is not offending but yet it is when said from anyone else..especially a Caucasian. Case in point is the movie with Ashton Kutcher and Bernie Mac "Guess Who"..about a Caucasian(Ashton Kutcher) who is going to marry an African-American. The female's family does not realize that her fiance is a Caucasian so "hilarity" ensues throughout the movie...all the while using white stereotypes. Now suppose this movie is switched around...an African-American is to marry a Caucasian female and the female's family is unaware of the fiance being African-American. I can 120% guarantee that the movie would NEVER EVER hit theatres let alone go straight to DVD..hell it wouldnt even hit production..all because it would be deemed "racist"..but hell...you switch it around to being a Caucasian trying to get into an African-American family and you have a blockbuster on your hands...
Posted by deeparchlover (Member # 7021) on :
quote:Originally posted by bluetoelover: flash: get over yourself.Now.Please. What the fuck gives you the right to say that black people can say "N***** this" and "N***** that" and it is not offending but yet it is when said from anyone else..especially a Caucasian. Case in point is the movie with Ashton Kutcher and Bernie Mac "Guess Who"..about a Caucasian(Ashton Kutcher) who is going to marry an African-American. The female's family does not realize that her fiance is a Caucasian so "hilarity" ensues throughout the movie...all the while using white stereotypes. Now suppose this movie is switched around...an African-American is to marry a Caucasian female and the female's family is unaware of the fiance being African-American. I can 120% guarantee that the movie would NEVER EVER hit theatres let alone go straight to DVD..hell it wouldnt even hit production..all because it would be deemed "racist"..but hell...you switch it around to being a Caucasian trying to get into an African-American family and you have a blockbuster on your hands...
The original version of the movie was about a caucasian family unaware their daughter was going to marry an african american man. The movie was called 'Guess Who's coming to Dinner'. The original was no small movie.
Again I wish people would try to think about what I said about terms being used within a group. There are names or phrases that I could call my wife or son or I could use within a group of friends that would be considered an insult if used by someone else. An example of this is my Pakistani friend who will joke how he looks like a terrorist. In our group of friends we know its a joke but if a person we don't know calls him a terrorist it is clearly going to be viewed as an insult. To me this is simple that just because you hear a group of people use a term it does not mean it is ok for you to use.
[ April 24, 2007, 07:54 AM: Message edited by: deeparchlover ]
Posted by flash (Member # 57) on :
First of all bluetoelover, I have every fuckin right to use the n word. I am a black man and the n word was created by the white man to put down black people for hundrend of years. Black people took the word and made it their own to used among themselves. We use the word in a way to express our bonding with each other. It's a black thing that you will never understand. It's my business if i want to use that word with my black friends.I have every fuckin right to use it. The same thing goes for a jewish man who wants to use certain slurs with his people or any other race. We all have our own rights to use it with our people. Would you walk into a jewish home and use a jewish slur? Would you walk into a black home and use a black slur? No, because you know it's wrong and you have no business using those words.Only a fool would do that. If you feel uncomfortable about black people using the n word, maybe you should blame the early white racist people that created the n word in this country. Another thing too, The original movie of Guess who's coming to dinner was about a black man and the movie was a hit. Get your facts straight. It's funny how people want to blame hip hop for Imus comments but the reality is people need to get off their fat lazy asses and raise their dam kids.
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