I dunno if anyone else around here is a wrestling fan, but Chris Benoit, and his wife and son, were found dead in their home today. I can't even begin to tell you how saddening this is for me and for pro wrestling. Benoit was an all-time great, and just another tragic death in a business that's had too many of them lately.
Either way....RIP Chris Benoit, and thanks for all the memories.
Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :
And also major league pitcher Rod Beck who played for the Giants and lastly for the San Diego Padres.He died yesterday as well..I met him once..nice guy!
Posted by A&F_FootDude05 (Member # 2999) on :
I couldn't believe Chris Benoit died, let alone his whole family. I wonder what the hell happened?
Posted by imasoleman (Member # 5044) on :
Your a great wrestler Chris. I read on wwe's website it was double muder sucide. We'll miss you.
Posted by FootLongSub Zero (Member # 19380) on :
What a sad time ... To me one of the Best Technical Wrestlers ever along side his good friend Bret ("Hitman") Hart... It was a Cool Technicallity match that they had in remeberence of Owen Hart via WCW.... So So So Sad... Rabid Wolverine is definately a great loss to the his fans and the WWE..
MUCH RESPECT!!!!
R.I.P Posted by Hal (Member # 3484) on :
quote:"Investigators believe the 40-year-old Benoit killed his wife, Nancy, and 7-year-old son, Daniel, over the weekend, then himself on Monday."
Sorry, but that`s not cool...
-Hal-
Posted by foot_sniffer2281 (Member # 21756) on :
what the hell! when did this happen exactly?
Posted by foot_sniffer2281 (Member # 21756) on :
holy crap...why on earth would he kill his own wife and 7 year old son? i am shocked.
Posted by A&F_FootDude05 (Member # 2999) on :
I'm trying to find one of his figures in stores but no luck so far...there's a 3-pack I came across at Toys R Us - it has him and Booker T with Randy Orton but it's 20 bucks.
Posted by Salvy_Mic (Member # 13384) on :
I can't believe this at all. I really don't want to believe it, if all truth be told. I don't even know what to say. I really hope that it isn't true, but, it seems there's no other explanation: Why, Chris, why?! I just don't understand.
Posted by LeDaemon (Member # 198) on :
I guess he wanted to save himself from an O.J. type trial.
I don't follow wrestling at all so I don't know anything about the guys in it. In Texas some 20+ years ago there was a family of wrestlers named Von Eric whom died off one by one in weird ways which I don't remember off hand. I think drugs were involved with them though.
Posted by Grishnak (Member # 16756) on :
im shocked. im a wrestling fan and thought benoit was the best technically sound guy in the wwe today.
first i was shocked to hear that they were dead. then even more when i heard the whole story.
and all those nice things everyone said on RAW.
Posted by A&F_FootDude05 (Member # 2999) on :
I hope they scrapped the Vince-death storyline amid the Benoit incident.
Posted by Explosivo57 (Member # 14342) on :
i love benoit, and when i heard it about i was so shocked
apparently what ahppened, is he nilled nancy by accident, i think he choked her to death, then he killed his son so he didnt havent to see his dad as a murderer, then he hung himself,
so so so so sad
they think it was riod rage
i dont wanna believe it, her seemed like such a great man, i had the priviledge to seem him in ecw back in the day
Posted by oliver2788 (Member # 22943) on :
i will wait until the conclusion of this until i will make a comment on benoit. i kind of think it was a setup and try to blame it on benoit. maybe a family memeber.
Posted by nylonfootsniffer (Member # 3488) on :
quote:Originally posted by oliver2788: i will wait until the conclusion of this until i will make a comment on benoit. i kind of think it was a setup and try to blame it on benoit. maybe a family memeber.
Yeah sure they killed his family, then overpowered this huge monster of a man and hung him. It's something to keep in mind, these celebrities are strangers regardless of the fact that they are popular and famous you don't really know them. His no dead wife filed for divorce a few years ago stating that he was violent and cruel. If he actually killed his little boy, he is a 100% POS. People may have probs with their spouses but man I hate it when they drag their children into it. Posted by oliver2788 (Member # 22943) on :
i will wait until its proven that he killed his wife and son. its looking like its all a setup to me. because my friends family got killed that way and blamed it on the husband but months and months later the truth came out it was there uncle. so i will wait until everything comes and proven that he killed his wife and son.
Posted by FootLongSub Zero (Member # 19380) on :
quote:Originally posted by A&F_FootDude05: I hope they scrapped the Vince-death storyline amid the Benoit incident.
The Vince-death storyline was a weird one. I thought he might be selling the company or sumthin' along the same guidelines.... I wander how they're gonna handle this one with the real Benoit death Posted by FootLongSub Zero (Member # 19380) on :
I've always wandered about the Guerrero death and that it gave the WWE Massive publicity.... A thought lurkin' in the back of my mind, a possibility that Foul Play was involed in both incidents to gain publicity BUT..... Just a one of "WHAT IF" thoughts
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Posted by Salvy_Mic (Member # 13384) on :
Well, Chris Benoit and his wife did have a bona fide enemy for most of their lives together: Kevin Sullivan, Nancy's ex-husband and a former wrestler who at one point did everything he could to bury Benoit's career when he was in WCW.
Who knows what really happened. Either way, its a tragedy and I hope it never happens again. Wrestling's a tough, tough business to be in. It's like the circus, except you're getting hurt way more often.
Posted by nylonfootsniffer (Member # 3488) on :
Yeah, I am still waiting for the police to catch the people who really killed OJ's wife. Terrible how these people get set up all the time. Last night I ran into Tu-Pac and Elvis and they both agree it sounds like a big conspiracy
Posted by Salvy_Mic (Member # 13384) on :
I kick it with Tupac and Elvis. Smoked weed with them the other night.
What I mean, is that no one knows the exact circumstances. It's 98% that Benoit was the one who did it. Why, is another question. Was it deliberate? Roid rage? Did he suddenly lose his mind and didn't know what he was doing? We won't get those exact answers for another few weeks, when the autopsy findings are announced. There's all sorts of shit that gets turned around once a forensics team gets involved. As of now, based on the circumstantial evidence, Benoit is responsible.
Posted by vineofthorns (Member # 1313) on :
you are not gonna find benoit toys @ toys r us anymore,they canned them,as well as wwe is nolonger selling benoit merchandise.now, it took me a wile to respond to this thread..benoit was one of the best of the past 20 years.its a shame that @ the end of the day this is what he'll be rememberd for.he always gave his all,even @ jus a lil house show,where wrestlers sometimes are''eased''..do I think he had roid rage?-no.do I think kevin sullivan killed him-lol no.what people forget,and the media forgets is your job is to take bumps,and getting hit wit loose fists,chairs,and doing his signiture flying headbutt every other day has to something to ones head after a wile.just look @ his last televised bout with burke where benoits head ended up in burkes knees wile attepting his flying headbutt.do not be surprised if it comes out in the end that they found brain damage affecting the frontal lobes.jus my opinion.
Posted by LeDaemon (Member # 198) on :
quote:Originally posted by nylonfootsniffer: Yeah, I am still waiting for the police to catch the people who really killed OJ's wife. Terrible how these people get set up all the time. Last night I ran into Tu-Pac and Elvis and they both agree it sounds like a big conspiracy
Posted by nylonfootsniffer (Member # 3488) on :
I don't believe it was roid rage. I don't think they even found steroids in his system. He was abusive, plain and simple thats is why his wife filed for divorce in 2004. Was OJ a victim of roid rage? No. He killed his wife in a jealous fit. AS to Chris getting hit with chairs, flying headbutts, etc, here is a newsflash people. Professional "Wrestling" is phony. Was he talented? Maybe but since the outcome of the matches is pre-determined, who knows? That's one reason why I never watched it because it is cheesy and fake. I would sooner watch Nascar. And I hate Nascar.
Posted by Salvy_Mic (Member # 13384) on :
I think that's an unfair assessment of pro wrestling. Yeah, it's pre-determined and choreographed, but those guys are seriously putting their bodies on the line. They're away from their families for months and months on end and hurt themselves all the time. And I'm not even talking about chair shots, falling off ladders, etc. Just the basic mat wrestling and slams and stuff hurt. And it all builds up.
Posted by Mighty Mike (Member # 1922) on :
quote:Originally posted by LeDaemon: I guess he wanted to save himself from an O.J. type trial.
I don't follow wrestling at all so I don't know anything about the guys in it. In Texas some 20+ years ago there was a family of wrestlers named Von Eric whom died off one by one in weird ways which I don't remember off hand. I think drugs were involved with them though.
they all committed suicide
Posted by nylonfootsniffer (Member # 3488) on :
quote:Originally posted by Salvy_Mic: I think that's an unfair assessment of pro wrestling. Yeah, it's pre-determined and choreographed,
In other words...Phony Posted by nylonfootsniffer (Member # 3488) on :
quote:Originally posted by Salvy_Mic: And I'm not even talking about chair shots, falling off ladders, etc. Just the basic mat wrestling and slams and stuff hurt. And it all builds up.
No different from what professional stuntmen do every day. That's all they are. Highly paid, steroid taking, professional stuntmen.
Posted by Salvy_Mic (Member # 13384) on :
Why are you antagonizing me? Do stuntmen do this sort of thing day in, day out, travel on the road near 300 days out of the year, and consistently take a pounding every time out? I doubt it. Anyone who knows and follows pro wrestling knows about all the little ins and outs, the way guys work a match (improvise half the time) and that there are guys who are significantly better wrestlers than others (Hogan was a garbage wrestler, Bret Hart was a ring god).
And they're not as well paid as you think. They almost all have difficult times getting insurance because of their occupation. It's athletic acting, but unlike something you watch in the movies, they take risks all the damn time. In fact, about the only other business that I think is as consistently physically taxing as pro wrestling is boxing, especially at the lower end, when there's guys who fight every other week and get paid peanuts.
Honestly, pro wrestlers don't nearly as much credit as they deserve for being athletes, albeit ones who don't compete.
Posted by nylonfootsniffer (Member # 3488) on :
quote:Originally posted by Salvy_Mic: Why are you antagonizing me?
I am antagonizing you because I disagree with you? I hardly thought of it as antagonizing. this is a discussion group and therefore, people are going to post differences of opinion. The only other thing as physically taxing as professional wrestling is boxing? How about MMA? Pride, UFC, IFC, now there is some taxing sports and the difference is, these fighters are fighting for real. there are no pre determined outcomes.
Posted by A&F_FootDude05 (Member # 2999) on :
quote:Originally posted by vineofthorns: you are not gonna find benoit toys @ toys r us anymore,they canned them,as well as wwe is nolonger selling benoit merchandise.now,
Went back to Toys 'R' Us today and they still have like seven of the Benoit 3-packs. I heard WWE eliminated his figures, but evidentally the stores did not.
Posted by LeDaemon (Member # 198) on :
quote:Originally posted by A&F_FootDude05:
quote:Originally posted by vineofthorns: you are not gonna find benoit toys @ toys r us anymore,they canned them,as well as wwe is nolonger selling benoit merchandise.now,
Went back to Toys 'R' Us today and they still have like seven of the Benoit 3-packs. I heard WWE eliminated his figures, but evidentally the stores did not.
You should probably buy them all and save them to resell on eBay unopened in mint condition. Just think what an O.J. doll would have gone for if there was such a thing back when he went crazy ape bonkers with a knife.
Wait, he was innocent of that though... Posted by nylonfootsniffer (Member # 3488) on :
quote:Originally posted by LeDaemon: . [/qb]
Wait, he was innocent of that though... [/QB][/QUOTE]
LOL yep of course he was innocent, the cops were just racist. The woman who recently put her 28 day old newborn in the microwave will say she had post-childbirth depression. Chris Bonoit had "roid rage" Ever notice how people never really are guilty of anything or are not really responsible because there is always someone or something else that is really at fault: Drugs, A.D.D., stupidity, racism, etc.
Posted by Mighty Mike (Member # 1922) on :
quote:Originally posted by nylonfootsniffer:
quote:Originally posted by LeDaemon: .
Wait, he was innocent of that though... [/QB]
LOL yep of course he was innocent, the cops were just racist. The woman who recently put her 28 day old newborn in the microwave will say she had post-childbirth depression. Chris Bonoit had "roid rage" Ever notice how people never really are guilty of anything or are not really responsible because there is always someone or something else that is really at fault: Drugs, A.D.D., stupidity, racism, etc. [/QB][/QUOTE]
I agree with this
but you need to realize that wrestling is extremely taxing on their bodies
remember there is no offseason, they work nearly 300 days a year
Posted by newedge (Member # 15152) on :
I am also shocked about this. When I saw him wrestle on TV (never in person), I thought he did tremendous work!
If he did this act, it will forever taint his career in the hearts and minds of many fans. If it was someone else, I hope they get what they deserve.
Based on what I read (if I recall), there was a Bible next to both the wife and son, so I hope they are in a better place. As for Chris, in the end, only God knows, and will make His judgment.
I can only hope their friends and family that have survived can cope with this.
RIP Benoit family.
Posted by vineofthorns (Member # 1313) on :
quote:Originally posted by LeDaemon:
quote:Originally posted by A&F_FootDude05:
quote:Originally posted by vineofthorns: you are not gonna find benoit toys @ toys r us anymore,they canned them,as well as wwe is nolonger selling benoit merchandise.now,
Went back to Toys 'R' Us today and they still have like seven of the Benoit 3-packs. I heard WWE eliminated his figures, but evidentally the stores did not.
You should probably buy them all and save them to resell on eBay unopened in mint condition. Just think what an O.J. doll would have gone for if there was such a thing back when he went crazy ape bonkers with a knife.
Wait, he was innocent of that though...
surprised onely cause toys r us made a statement claiming they were pulling all benoit toys off their shelves....as for benoit toys having value,I disagree onely cause of the mass amount of his figures in existance,theres enough out there to feed the people who all ofa sudden have a need for one.now as for his rare figures,that's another story cause now they have a new value aside from being rare... hey anyone catch ultimate warrior being interviewd,defending steroid use lol...might be the greatest interview of all time Posted by A&F_FootDude05 (Member # 2999) on :
You are absolutely correct, vineofthorns. It took several days but the slew of Benoit figures at Toys 'R' Us are gone - why didn't I buy one when I had the chance? They had so, so many and I went in there the other day and I saw empty racks in the WWE section.
Posted by Mighty Mike (Member # 1922) on :
quote:Originally posted by vineofthorns:
hey anyone catch ultimate warrior being interviewd,defending steroid use lol...might be the greatest interview of all time [/QB]
steroids are safer than alcohol, cigarrettes, or any recreational drug
it is pathetic how the media wants to blame steroids for this incident
like every muderer was on the juice Posted by femsolelover (Member # 1584) on :
Honestly, the truth of this matter (and of every other matter) will come out at some point. We might all be gone at that time, but we'll all know.
As for what I believe happened? I'm actually indifferent in the matter. Honestly, you really have to be on some drugs in order to kill your own family, divorced or not; I don't care what anybody says about that. Either that or you're extremely cold and heartless. But, I don't think that Chris was actually the killer in this matter. Who was? I don't have any clue.
Posted by vineofthorns (Member # 1313) on :
quote:Originally posted by nylonfootsniffer: How about MMA? Pride, UFC, IFC, now there is some taxing sports and the difference is, these fighters are fighting for real. there are no pre determined outcomes.
acually there is word floating around that mma is acually a ''work shoot''.to those unfamilair with those terms a ''work''means its planned out to some degree,mainly outcome,and a ''shoot''means real on the spot.first time I heard this was hulk hogan was on some radio station and he told them that a mma company was intrested in him to some degree and mentioned that its not much different than wrestling being its a work shoot.I've herd other reports as well in that nature and look @ t.a magnum,brock lesner,ken shamrock all ex pro wrestlers doing mma,strange don't u think?..ohyea mon on larry king he's going to have bret hart on discuss the benoit tragedy.should be intresting
Posted by Salvy_Mic (Member # 13384) on :
MMA isn't worked. Like boxing and unlike pro wrestling, its a sport thats sanctioned in many states and has to work within the different states rules and regulations.
The reason I didn't say MMA was as tough as boxing is because I don't think MMA fighters take as much of a beating as boxers usually do. This is do to the dynamic of the sport, as referees in MMA fights stop bouts as soon as a guy can't defend himself, even when they're getting pounded on the ground. In boxing, a guy can get knocked down, but as long as he gets back up and puts up some semblance of a fight, the referee won't necessarily stop it. Because of that, boxers tend to receive more blows to the head over the long run and a lot end up with pugilistica dementia, which is basically what Ali had before and while he was suffering from Parkinson's. MMA fighters simply don't end up like Ali, or Meldrick Taylor, Bobby Chacon, or Gerald McClellan.
Posted by Mighty Mike (Member # 1922) on :
quote:Originally posted by femsolelover: Honestly, the truth of this matter (and of every other matter) will come out at some point. We might all be gone at that time, but we'll all know.
As for what I believe happened? I'm actually indifferent in the matter. Honestly, you really have to be on some drugs in order to kill your own family, divorced or not; I don't care what anybody says about that. Either that or you're extremely cold and heartless. But, I don't think that Chris was actually the killer in this matter. Who was? I don't have any clue.
the truth will never be totally known
you don't need drugs to kill anybody, family or not
you are the only one that thinks chris wasn't the killer
Posted by Mighty Mike (Member # 1922) on :
quote:Originally posted by vineofthorns:
quote:Originally posted by nylonfootsniffer: How about MMA? Pride, UFC, IFC, now there is some taxing sports and the difference is, these fighters are fighting for real. there are no pre determined outcomes.
acually there is word floating around that mma is acually a ''work shoot''.to those unfamilair with those terms a ''work''means its planned out to some degree,mainly outcome,and a ''shoot''means real on the spot.first time I heard this was hulk hogan was on some radio station and he told them that a mma company was intrested in him to some degree and mentioned that its not much different than wrestling being its a work shoot.I've herd other reports as well in that nature and look @ t.a magnum,brock lesner,ken shamrock all ex pro wrestlers doing mma,strange don't u think?..ohyea mon on larry king he's going to have bret hart on discuss the benoit tragedy.should be intresting
ken shamrock was a fighter long before wwe, brock was a top ametuer wrestler
some of the fights may have been fixed in pride but for the most part it is as real as it gets
Posted by joshblah (Member # 19194) on :
Yeah, I agree about boxing being tougher on them. It takes alot more endurancen and they're taking way more blows to the head. The bigger gloves actually cause more brain damage(just less facial damage). Plus, Ali has Parkinson's Syndrome(not disease) which is caused by injury to the brain stem. Very rough sport.
Posted by imation_pc (Member # 1480) on :
quote:Originally posted by Salvy_Mic: Why are you antagonizing me? Do stuntmen do this sort of thing day in, day out, travel on the road near 300 days out of the year, and consistently take a pounding every time out? I doubt it. Anyone who knows and follows pro wrestling knows about all the little ins and outs, the way guys work a match (improvise half the time) and that there are guys who are significantly better wrestlers than others (Hogan was a garbage wrestler, Bret Hart was a ring god).
And they're not as well paid as you think. They almost all have difficult times getting insurance because of their occupation. It's athletic acting, but unlike something you watch in the movies, they take risks all the damn time. In fact, about the only other business that I think is as consistently physically taxing as pro wrestling is boxing, especially at the lower end, when there's guys who fight every other week and get paid peanuts.
Honestly, pro wrestlers don't nearly as much credit as they deserve for being athletes, albeit ones who don't compete.
I couldnt have said it better myself. Yes, the outcomes are predetermined, but that doesnt mean its fake. Some stuff in wrestling is a "work" or fake, but alot of that stuff hurts. I mean, if I pick you up and throw you over the top roap, how can you fake that? Just because the outcomes are fixed, it doesnt mean the guys dont take beatings before its over. MMA is a bit different than wrestling, so you cant really compare the two. Im pressed for time right now, but if this keeps up, i will be sure to post my defense of pro wrestling. lol
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