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gs3647
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Should there have been that war in the first place, do you think we should still be there?

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Well we never left, weve been there all this time. The first gulf war was never ended so technically this is a continuation of the same war. A cease fire agreement is not a peace treaty. We should be there as long as it takes. We never left Germany and we havent left Japan why should Iraq be any different. Were still in Korea for Christ sake! If we were going to pull out we should have done that already. We never should have occupied in the first place if we were planning to pull out this early.

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Leaving Iraq would be like walking away from a problem, but staying there is like fighting against an unlogical problem. There really isn't a good answer for this.

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I gotta say goodbye to 2 of my friends, who are leaving next month. They said the food in the army... [Puke]

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I gotta say goodbye to 2 of my friends, who are leaving next month. They said the food in the army...
One of my best friends on this spining hunk of rock is over there right now. He would agree with your friends on that one. He did say that the food on the aircraft carrier was pretty good while he was there.

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My friends are going by what they've heard. I may hear about the truth when they get back, if they get back, but that's just what they told me.

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If the chow in the chow hall is bad,I'd rather eat an MRE,their pretty good [Mmm]

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I wouldn't call an MRE good, but at least you know it's gonna suck before you eat it...

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Yeah, I got an email from one of them, and they really hate the food there. I expect they're use to it.

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I initially supported the war when they were looking for chemical/nuclear weapons. Although, I realize that one of the main reasons Bush started this whole thing was for the oil.

Personally I believe it would've been better if the administration had focused its efforts on finishing up in Afghanistan before looking at Iraq.

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Yeah, I think so too. Money just means to much to Bush.

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money, money, money...
Ain't shit changed since the Egyptians...

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Question: How does Bush benifit from this Iraqi oil? Is he somehow aquiring the oil and making a profit from it? Is it going to help our country (because that sure isn't the case now at $2 a gallon)? Seriously, someone answer this question. How does Bush personally benifit from invading Iraq and supposedly acquiring its oil?
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lol Sasha...
You're mostly right, of course.
Bush has many powerful friends and relatives, many of whom "contribute" to his campaign in order to see their greedy little plans get into action.
(Side note: During the Vietnam war, the company who made the most money of all was Dupont, they make plastics, etc, including BODY BAGS, and they paid the Democrats... It seems Kennedy wasn't a saint after all,)
So how does Bush benefit?
He helps his buddies, the upper echelon of wealthy shits who helped to put him in office, thereby securing MORE time in office. Get it?
NOW....
Sasha, do you seriously think that it is just because he is a "Republican"? And that somehow republicans represent big business entirely?
Let's remove all party clouds, and see the sky here, the big picture.
Which is that big money, whether it be republican OR Democrat, is still big money. Big money perpetuates it's own power, and where we have some, not ALL oil-money behind Bush, (as well as conservative religious bigot-groups, insurance money, and financial giants such as Citigroup,) we also have big-money behind the Democrats...
Lawyers, for one, and their unions, insurance, oil, finance, etc.
What IS the big picture?
Let's pretend that the political system is a puppet-show stage, and oh, look at the little marionettes there dancing and play-fighting on the stage!!! How comical! What a great distraction from the PUPPETMASTERS, above and behind the stage and it's shiny curtain, each with a firm hold on a string. But wait... OMG, the strings are all crossed, and go to different puppets! Wow, how do the puppets move so gracefully, even though the strings go to different fingers on different hands? Look beyond the pupetmasters to their MOTIVATION.
Power. Money. Greed.
Has anyone ever read Ayn Rand?
She wrote that book, (I wish I could remember the name,) but it was science-fiction, and there was a planet full of monkeys, (not a far stretch here,) and the most motivated, most powerful, most devious and bloodthirsty was one they called Belial. Now, this monkey ruled supreme, until another killed him/her, and became Belial.
Belial was the monkey's own version of the Antichrist, hidden deep within EVERY monkey's heart of hearts... The primal urge to dominate.
Are you getting it yet?
We ALL have the capacity to shrug off our humanity, and go for the primal, rule-it-all, kill everyone savage gorilla that is within us, but to do so would doom us to be viciously inhuman, (or more human?).
Whom do the parties serve? Whom do we all serve?
Belial, the savagely dominant naked ape.
To go out even further, (as if THAT'S necessary at this point,) Whom does Belial serve?
Therein lies the rub.
Like Bob Dylan says, "You gotta serve somebody,"
So Lambskin, try to look deeper than what is presented by this group or that group, and ALWAYS ask the question, "What is the MOTIVATION?"
Use your heart to see, and look beyond the Five Senses. There you will find a non-material teacher and the truth.
Existentialistic? You betcha!

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Again, I'm amazed...
You are not only into football, and a sharp little thumbtack, but you are also well-read to boot!
Oh yeah, and sexy!
LOL
I, too tend to get heated up when it comes to politics, I apologize if I got too deep here...
Hard not to get charged up when discussing the "Public Servants". They bother the hell out of me, as most people don't know jack-squat about it, and they still vote. I truly believe that if people actually cared, the third-parties would see more response. Ah... in a time long-forgotten, people actually did care, and weren't so easily hoodwinked by these bogus "parties", and political parties weren't as entrenched as they are now. They had to actually "do" something to stay alive. That was how the Republicans got their start, as well as the Whigs, the bull-moosers, AND the Democrats!
We certainly need a change here, and I'm afraid it will be DECADES before the complacency wears off, (not to mention that it would take some MAJOR catastrophy on a grand scale to get fat, lazy americans to move something,) and change will occur.

I am looking for the name of that book, with the monkeys and all, it could have been the Fountainhead...
I have a job interview to go to, wish me luck!

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