Because I just don't get it. I occasionally come across these clips of girls talking verbal shits on viewers and/or male participants. I have to immediately navigate away from the clips. I find "mouthy" overzealous women extremely annoying (I think most men do).
If your into it, I could care less. I just want to hear from the horses mouth how a person verbally taking a shit on you is appealing. Don't you ever just want to tell that bitch to shut the fuck up?
Posted by -cfg- (Member # 13863) on :
Man I couldn't begin to explain the "appeal" of it. I think you may just have to chalk this one up to different strokes for different folks. I really would love to be able to give you a good answer on this but I simply can't. How would you explain your foot fetish to someone hates feet and just posed the question "how can anyone like feet" in the same manner as your question reads? But someone here I'm sure can give you a real answer Posted by Toetapper (Member # 6473) on :
Speaking strictly for myself, the appeal is ineffable.
Based on a few conversations that I've had with people who have this inclination, I have come to believe that it is based on a desire to be the center of attention. If someone is going to truly humiliate another, it take a lot of time and thought. To prolong a series of humiliations requires a rather singular devotion and focus on such a goal. I think the "humiliatee" basks in this attention.
It is the motivation of many people to be the center of attention (e.g. comedians and/or politicians) who risk a great deal of embarrassment in their public appearances but who hope to be seen in triumph.
How the desire for attention makes the metamorphosis to be seen in a series of failures...well, you got me there.
There's more to my thoughts than time allows and I haven't expressed myself very clearly but, if I had given the question the thought and time it deserved, I would have forgotten about this post and never answered it. That's a series of my failures (on public display) and I'll likely do it again but not on purpose. Perhaps, I'll try again or not. Hard to discuss things I know only second-hand.
Posted by Tyler D. (Member # 11452) on :
quote:Originally posted by High_Arch_Analyst: Don't you ever just want to tell that bitch to shut the fuck up?
Always. but the thing is we are so worthless below her feet that we don't get to have such a priviledge to tell this woman what we'd like her to do.
the symbolism that "she will do what she wants, becuz she is confident and in control" is priceless. that makes her a very high value person and highly desirable as a mate.
if we were not of such low value we might not realize her high value and subsequently how great a mating partner she would be.
when she clearly is seen as a person of high value, we who are lower than her can quickly realize she is very worthy. the amplification of our unworthiness compounds the fact that the beautiful woman is well worth our desires.
now the act of getting her is near impossible for such lowlives and that makes the appeal in the fantasy because we all seem to want what we can't have.
i am just speaking from the majority foot subbie perspective. this type of content proliferates the foot world like an airborne plague and we intelligent foot fetishists fund this number 1 sub-genre because it must foster empathy on some level.
while we foot subbies may not be great at expressing our unique & pervy desires thru written or spoken word, we are at least able to effectively express ourselves through our wallets. gratz to those consistently top selling foot subbie websites and clipstores that never die and only seem to multiply thanks to most of us undeserving foot fetishists.
most of us other foot guys who are in the minority will never understand this foot humiliation until we've truly had a chance to be below her feet and feel the awe then we will finally know what we were missing.
[ February 06, 2009, 08:13 AM: Message edited by: Tyler D. ]
Posted by Michael P (Member # 1922) on :
this is the one thing i hate most about our little community
how a guy can get off being treated like a weak spineless turd i'll never know
Posted by LeDaemon (Member # 198) on :
I must add the photo sets with girl's giving the finger to the camera suck.
Posted by dougiezerts (Member # 6829) on :
Perhaps these guys are deeply ashamed of themselves, for some reason or another, and that's why they want women to belittle them.
Posted by LovelyLadies (Member # 5079) on :
Yeah, I'm with you on these. I never got off or into the videos with chicks calling me names through POV. Even ones where they spit on their slave and smack him around do nothing for me. But to each his own, right.
Posted by acrylikhan (Member # 14491) on :
Humiliation never did anything for me, other than looking for a more interesting clip.
I agree with LeDaemon, the middle finger photos are pretty lame.
Posted by acrylikhan (Member # 14491) on :
oops... hit it twice...
Posted by Mr.Papers (Member # 3205) on :
quote:Originally posted by Michael P: this is the one thing i hate most about our little community
how a guy can get off being treated like a weak spineless turd i'll never know
because you are not into it. Take for example a "normal" guy who likes tits and ass only. He may look at you and say the same thing because you like feet and possibly say something similar to what you said:
how a guy can get off on feet i'll never know
Posted by High_Arch_Analyst (Member # 28756) on :
quote:Originally posted by LovelyLadies: Yeah, I'm with you on these. I never got off or into the videos with chicks calling me names through POV. Even ones where they spit on their slave and smack him around do nothing for me. But to each his own, right.
Right...
Posted by FootBoi001 (Member # 33044) on :
I guess your right Mr Papers..but who the hell wants to get spit on and called a bitch etc etc. I'd rather get a footjob lol. But yeah to each is own
Posted by High_Arch_Analyst (Member # 28756) on :
I would suspect that given women tend to favor "manlier men" on average, the proposition of a guy being their little bitch is not exactly the most appealing.
Posted by Toesucker85 (Member # 16795) on :
quote:Originally posted by Toetapper: Speaking strictly for myself, the appeal is ineffable.
Based on a few conversations that I've had with people who have this inclination, I have come to believe that it is based on a desire to be the center of attention. If someone is going to truly humiliate another, it take a lot of time and thought. To prolong a series of humiliations requires a rather singular devotion and focus on such a goal. I think the "humiliatee" basks in this attention.
It is the motivation of many people to be the center of attention (e.g. comedians and/or politicians) who risk a great deal of embarrassment in their public appearances but who hope to be seen in triumph.
How the desire for attention makes the metamorphosis to be seen in a series of failures...well, you got me there.
There's more to my thoughts than time allows and I haven't expressed myself very clearly but, if I had given the question the thought and time it deserved, I would have forgotten about this post and never answered it. That's a series of my failures (on public display) and I'll likely do it again but not on purpose. Perhaps, I'll try again or not. Hard to discuss things I know only second-hand.
i would just like to say, toetapper tha you are one unique intellectual. what school did u go to? im curious lol.
Posted by Toesucker85 (Member # 16795) on :
o yea as far as appeal i like all the attention plus im submissive, i like when a woman takes control.
Posted by Michael P (Member # 1922) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Papers:
quote:Originally posted by Michael P: this is the one thing i hate most about our little community
how a guy can get off being treated like a weak spineless turd i'll never know
because you are not into it. Take for example a "normal" guy who likes tits and ass only. He may look at you and say the same thing because you like feet and possibly say something similar to what you said:
how a guy can get off on feet i'll never know
i think there's a huge difference between getting off on a body part and getting off on some chick calling you a worthless piece of shit
it's not even close to being the same thing
Posted by manolojchoo (Member # 1257) on :
I've never understood how some guys can be into smelly feet, or wide flat feet, or stalking women in public to get candid photos or videos of their feet. Or those who like to "borrow" a woman's shoes in order to masturbate in them, or... You get the point.
One would think that posters to a foot fetish board, of all things, would be much more tolerant of the fetishes of others. To ask someone with an interest in submission to explain the attraction is a little like asking some rabid fan of smelly feet to explain theirs. What are they going to say: Because they smell good to me? Because the smell gets me off?
It's an unfair question that ultimately cannot be answered, and one that shouldn't even be asked, certainly not here.
Posted by Ben Del Amitri (Member # 2724) on :
quote:Originally posted by manolojchoo: I've never understood how some guys can be into smelly feet, or wide flat feet, or stalking women in public to get candid photos or videos of their feet. Or those who like to "borrow" a woman's shoes in order to masturbate in them, or... You get the point.
One would think that posters to a foot fetish board, of all things, would be much more tolerant of the fetishes of others. To ask someone with an interest in submission to explain the attraction is a little like asking some rabid fan of smelly feet to explain theirs. What are they going to say: Because they smell good to me? Because the smell gets me off?
It's an unfair question that ultimately cannot be answered, and one that shouldn't even be asked, certainly not here.
Here's an illustration of the Pot calling the Kettle Black ... First lamenting the lack of Tolerance among the foot fetish community, as applies to these forums ... then closing with the statement that the question itself is unfair and shouldn't even be ASKED. How tolerant is that?
The points are well-taken, as to personal preferences, and the fact they are wide and varied in nature; that there are many foot-centric habits and fantasies some (or many) other foot lovers may find abhorent. They lose some validity though, when stating this topic's question shouldn't even be asked, and particularly in light of a hoped-for "tolerance".
[ February 09, 2009, 01:08 PM: Message edited by: Ben Del Amitri ]
Posted by Ben Del Amitri (Member # 2724) on :
quote:Originally posted by High_Arch_Analyst: Because I just don't get it. I occasionally come across these clips of girls talking verbal shits on viewers and/or male participants. I have to immediately navigate away from the clips. I find "mouthy" overzealous women extremely annoying (I think most men do).
If your into it, I could care less. I just want to hear from the horses mouth how a person verbally taking a shit on you is appealing. Don't you ever just want to tell that bitch to shut the fuck up?
Ironically, the very people who possess the predilection for humiliation by another, may be the least likely to speak up in answer to this, or in defense of their willing participation.
Toesucker85 offered a nice reply, ostensibly from the standpoint of a person who does enjoy this.
quote:Originally posted by Toesucker85: o yea as far as appeal i like all the attention plus im submissive, i like when a woman takes control.
Although not offering specifics, he did make a straight-forward, simple and genuine reply. And while I'm not able to understand the reasoning behind it, I think I do understand him and appreciate his input.
[ February 09, 2009, 01:12 PM: Message edited by: Ben Del Amitri ]
Posted by manolojchoo (Member # 1257) on :
"Here's an illustration of the Pot calling the Kettle Black..."
No, Ben, the illustration was to point out the moral hazard of criticizing the sexual predilections of others. I used the royal "I(ve)" form in my opening paragraph to make that point. Perhaps I should have put that paragraph in quotation marks to be more obvious.
"They lose some validity though, when stating this topic's question shouldn't even be asked, and particularly in light of a hoped-for "tolerance"."
The validity of my argument is not at all diminished, and I stand by my statement. Indeed, to question someone else's kink, on this forum of all places, suggests an almost laughable hypocrisy.
One final comment, not at all related to our minor disagreement here: I enjoy your photo contributions to this site. Some of your models are breathtakingly beautiful. So, it's good to have you back in the thick of it, so to speak.
Regards, mjc
[ February 09, 2009, 03:38 PM: Message edited by: manolojchoo ]
Posted by Sinnister (Member # 2394) on :
I too would like to choke a bitch with my cock...
That is all.
Posted by Malory (Member # 9101) on :
quote:Originally posted by manolojchoo: "Here's an illustration of the Pot calling the Kettle Black..."
No, Ben, the illustration was to point out the moral hazard of criticizing the sexual predilections of others. I used the royal "I(ve)" form in my opening paragraph to make that point. Perhaps I should have put that paragraph in quotation marks to be more obvious.
"They lose some validity though, when stating this topic's question shouldn't even be asked, and particularly in light of a hoped-for "tolerance"."
The validity of my argument is not at all diminished, and I stand by my statement. Indeed, to question someone else's kink, on this forum of all places, suggests an almost laughable hypocrisy.
One final comment, not at all related to our minor disagreement here: I enjoy your photo contributions to this site. Some of your models are breathtakingly beautiful. So, it's good to have you back in the thick of it, so to speak.
Regards, mjc
I like this guy.
~Malory
Posted by Mr.Papers (Member # 3205) on :
quote:Originally posted by Michael P:
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Papers:
quote:Originally posted by Michael P: this is the one thing i hate most about our little community
how a guy can get off being treated like a weak spineless turd i'll never know
because you are not into it. Take for example a "normal" guy who likes tits and ass only. He may look at you and say the same thing because you like feet and possibly say something similar to what you said:
how a guy can get off on feet i'll never know
i think there's a huge difference between getting off on a body part and getting off on some chick calling you a worthless piece of shit
it's not even close to being the same thing
On the contrary, refer to manolojchoo's 1st post for a better understanding of what is being said.
Posted by Ben Del Amitri (Member # 2724) on :
quote:Originally posted by manolojchoo: "Here's an illustration of the Pot calling the Kettle Black..."
No, Ben, the illustration was to point out the moral hazard of criticizing the sexual predilections of others. I used the royal "I(ve)" form in my opening paragraph to make that point. Perhaps I should have put that paragraph in quotation marks to be more obvious.
"They lose some validity though, when stating this topic's question shouldn't even be asked, and particularly in light of a hoped-for "tolerance"."
The validity of my argument is not at all diminished, and I stand by my statement. Indeed, to question someone else's kink, on this forum of all places, suggests an almost laughable hypocrisy.
One final comment, not at all related to our minor disagreement here: I enjoy your photo contributions to this site. Some of your models are breathtakingly beautiful. So, it's good to have you back in the thick of it, so to speak.
Regards, mjc
TOUCHE' - your points are well-stated and well-taken!
Posted by mrwright (Member # 22355) on :
HighArchAnalyst,
my wife tells me it is cultural. I am black and feel like you; there is no way in hell I am putting up with some woman even attempting to dog me out and treat me like shit. (yes, the photos where the girl is giving the camera the finger are not even worth my time pulling up.) My wife is white and says that is something that more white guys are into. She says that white guys tend to be more intimidated by women and afraid to approach them out of fear of rejection. That and they like for the woman to take the lead out of ease for them (the white guy.) I didnt know that and never approached the subject. But if that is true, it makes sense and agrees with Toetapper and Tyler D's comments.
My wife says this submissive role is a turn off for most women and which is why a lot of white women go for black guys; they are strong and confident and dont take the woman's shit.
(If this theory is true, then would it make sense that white guys hook up with black women and black guys hook up with white women?)
Either way, all I know is that I am not a submissive person and dont like to be in any role that positions me that way. Least of all in a relationship.
Posted by Tyler D. (Member # 11452) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ben Del Amitri: Ironically, the very people who possess the predilection for humiliation by another, may be the least likely to speak up in answer to this, or in defense of their willing participation.
Ben, this is the most insightful comment of the thread thus far, second to manolojchoo's comment about the hypocrisy in some of us trying to interrogate a superset of our own brethren about their preferences.
Basically, it is the silent majority out there who cause this humiliation perception and it is that very same demographic (who are mostly ashamed & feeble) that it is difficult to pry the explanations out of them, especially when questioned in such an "un-nurturing" way.
And folks should not go assuming that the cause for their preference is that mommy didn't "nurture" them enough either, because I have seen more than my share of subbies suddenly go on the meek offensive after such an insult to their intelligence.
They are foot fetishists just like all of us and should not be looked at as having psychological problems that stemmed from childhood, cuz probably most of us have had our own feet preferences stem from triggers that occured at a younger age as well.
quote:Originally posted by mrwright: My wife says this submissive role is a turn off for most women
Generally speaking, this is often true and also a reason why this silent majority of foot subbies cause the disgust, comtempt & disrespect from most women out there and subsequently, the low-life prejudices against the rest of the non-subbie foot demographic.
This is perhaps a reason that a vocal minority of insecure foot guys like to lash out at the foot subby majority, because these complainers are tired of having to earn women's respect based on their own merit (as opposed to preconcieved notions).
[ February 10, 2009, 08:31 AM: Message edited by: Tyler D. ]
Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
*runs away and hides from all the conflict* DUDES - chill, it's cool. We all have our "things" just leave it at that...lol
Posted by stopyczek (Member # 9888) on :
For me, I think the submission aspect evolved almost simultaneously with the foot fetish. I think that in most of Western society the foot has for a very long time been a "dirty" part of the body. This might be why in my early fantasies I imagined having to engage in the lowliest of activities with a woman--for me this was showing reverence for her feet. (I also had fantasies of ass worship, another unpleasant part of the body in my culture.)
Here's an amusing poem... WHY? Posted by dougiezerts (Member # 6829) on :
Good point. And don't forget that many of us are turned on by dirty feet, as well.
Posted by Elvzz (Member # 14178) on :
I love it so - when somone is paying they are always in control and if you set up the boundries and allow the model to swing for the fence inside them it is HOT!
Sabrina Fox Whips FD into shape it was fun to watch! Clips store.
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then we will finally know what we were missing.