I haven't posted in this forum in a year, at least, and during this time, I went back through some old saved favorites of mine, which led to google searches and so forth, to find some of my old and favorite websites. During this trip, I was shocked. As soon as the internet was a new and stable thing, everyone had a foot site! There must have been a thousand foot sites in 1998, online!
I used to go to hawks foot links and search through all the updated sites and visit each one. I would also then go to aragorn's footsite and look through those links as well. Everyone had a foot site. Every guy could save pictures from the internet and then make what they thought was the best selection of photos anywhere. Every girl, thought that she had nice feet and would have a foot site of her feet. The pictures were small, but huge at the time, as we thought that 300 by 300 was a big picture! There is an archived links page, from Arogorn's feetlinks, that has 210 websites on it. None of these are bhe hosted and most use agecheck or ccbill. Most are still free, as they were on aol, angelfire or geocities.
During the late 90's, it seemed that either they were the best or the newest sites, but they were popular and it seemed to be a mainstream thing, for a foot fetish. Myspace was all over it and some of the popular models that might still be around today, like Mommie Dearest or Twisted Toes, had some of their first photos showing off on Myspace.
I know that the first website that I ever paid for, was fmconceptsinc. I paid for a month membership, back in 1998 and I loved every picture. I had aol at the time, with dialup and had to wait 30 seconds sometimes, just to see a single picture. But it was amazing. After that I think I did ilovelongtoes, or something like that and then I did feetheat, at least 2 or 3 times.
Now, since I'm showing off my age, here we are, about 20 years later and most of these great sites have been replaced. I know that some still stand, like solesofsilk or feetheat or feetfair, but I also feel as though most of the porn sites and whathaveyou, have diluted the quality of foot fetish that is available.
Does anyone have a comment or similar story?
Posted by Vulcan Electra (Member # 52456) on :
Probably because there's so much free stuff on You Tube, Feet9 and other sites that not as many people feel te need to start them up. Just my guess.
Posted by longhitter04 (Member # 2391) on :
I don't think it's become diluted, as you out it. Content is much more available now than ever before, especially free content.
This is no different than any business. When a new market is created, everyone jumps in to take advantage. After the market starts to mature, consolidation occurs.
Posted by AceCorr (Member # 37554) on :
Well I remember there used to be Jennifer's Foot Page and Serena's Foot Page and the Enchanted Foot and the content seems more original and better. Back then it seems like the foot models actually did it because they liked what they are doing. Now on Instagram and other sites like Craigslist so many women just want to do it for the money. I remember this lady called Celeste who would charge $1/ picture of her feet. That's reasonable enough for custom pics. However, some women on Craigslist want $20 to $30 for one foot pic! One girl on YouTube even boasted a guy paid her $100 for a picture of a foot! That guy must be retarded! I just got a pic of a set of pretty female feet today for FREE. Why even pay when you can get it for free?
It's like there really isn't much of a point in going to a porn shop and paying for porn when you have PornHub.
Posted by Sauvage (Member # 52434) on :
quote:Originally posted by AceCorr: Well I remember there used to be Jennifer's Foot Page and Serena's Foot Page and the Enchanted Foot and the content seems more original and better. Back then it seems like the foot models actually did it because they liked what they are doing. Now on Instagram and other sites like Craigslist so many women just want to do it for the money. I remember this lady called Celeste who would charge $1/ picture of her feet. That's reasonable enough for custom pics. However, some women on Craigslist want $20 to $30 for one foot pic! One girl on YouTube even boasted a guy paid her $100 for a picture of a foot! That guy must be retarded! I just got a pic of a set of pretty female feet today for FREE. Why even pay when you can get it for free?
It's like there really isn't much of a point in going to a porn shop and paying for porn when you have PornHub.
Time is money and money is time for both the producer and the model. Even if said photographer got models to model at no cost, his/her production is still worth time & money. Eventually you will run out of other people's hard efforts to create content and all the free stuff will get stale and you will be begging the photographer sites to come back and give you more. Nothing is free that will sustain in this the foot fetish world.
Posted by stlgamer1 (Member # 50518) on :
I agree with AceCorr, some of those old sites like "annysfootpage" were of a girl and her friends and she would have original content of her sitting and squishing grapes, for instance. I know it was a big deal, in the 90's, because that type of content wasn't readily available. But I also think there was a divide between the sites and as Sauvage had mentioned, you had people doing it for money only. I think that the amateur girl next door type of foot sites, that didn't have nudity, could have survived longer. At some point, sites started to mix nudity with feet and while I enjoy seeing a picture of two naked girls lying on a couch together, I'm really only concentrating on the feet in their mouths. I think that foot porn sites took over the market, especially with sites like feetheat. It started as kellysfeet about the one woman and her friends and then went to feetheat and then footfighters and so forth. I think they had over 10 sites at one point, in the early 2000's! I miss the non-nude foot sites that focus on feet. I forget when solesofsilk started, 2005 I think, but they have stayed with it and in business. (I don't know how much business they make, and as someone who tried to start a foot fetish website business as well, the expenses really get up there.) I just wonder how long these sites can stay in business. Especially when you have to compete with free sites.
Posted by TruthBeTold (Member # 47114) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sauvage: Eventually you will run out of other people's hard efforts to create content and all the free stuff will get stale and you will be begging the photographer sites to come back and give you more. Nothing is free that will sustain in this the foot fetish world.
This guy is exactly right. The day will come.
Posted by Fair Adam (Member # 13350) on :
OK, I agree with most of the stuff posted here to a greater or lesser degree. First of all, FeetFair is no longer an active site; I have kept it going as a ghost site because I have had offers for people to purchase that domain name, and I'm hopeful that I might be able to sell it at some point. I have no plans to reopen the site again, and I have discussed the reasons ad nauseam on this forum, so I won't bore you again with the details.
The other thing that I want to bring up, is that I don't believe that high quality, strictly foot fetish sites will come back, that's like asking asking someone put the genie back in the bottle, and again there's a myriad reasons for that, but I would say this is a highly optimistic expectation.
Posted by longhitter04 (Member # 2391) on :
quote:Originally posted by TruthBeTold:
quote:Originally posted by Sauvage: Eventually you will run out of other people's hard efforts to create content and all the free stuff will get stale and you will be begging the photographer sites to come back and give you more. Nothing is free that will sustain in this the foot fetish world.
This guy is exactly right. The day will come.
Don't kid yourself. There will always be high demand in the porn business and people will be there taking advantage of it with new content through different avenues.
But let's assume you are correct and the day does come when the content becomes "stale"...
If and when that day comes, and there is a demand for that supply, several people will step up to capitalize on it and compete for that demand. That's the beauty of capitalism and a market driven economy.
Posted by stlgamer1 (Member # 50518) on :
FairAdam, feetfair is one of my first big foot sites and one of my favorites. I think I mentioned it in my first topic, as I did join, many, many years ago and you and your site, do carry on the tradition of girls and feet. (I do only wish I had the money to either keep getting a membership each year to check out new content or just stay with it.) But still, xhamster, of which I am a member of, does run dry of foot content, as it isn't as requested as other things. I think that the time will come where your expertise will be requested again.
[ July 25, 2019, 05:07 PM: Message edited by: stlgamer1 ]
Posted by Sauvage (Member # 52434) on :
quote:Originally posted by longhitter04:
quote:Originally posted by TruthBeTold:
quote:Originally posted by Sauvage: Eventually you will run out of other people's hard efforts to create content and all the free stuff will get stale and you will be begging the photographer sites to come back and give you more. Nothing is free that will sustain in this the foot fetish world.
This guy is exactly right. The day will come.
Don't kid yourself. There will always be high demand in the porn business and people will be there taking advantage of it with new content through different avenues.
But let's assume you are correct and the day does come when the content becomes "stale"...
If and when that day comes, and there is a demand for that supply, several people will step up to capitalize on it and compete for that demand. That's the beauty of capitalism and a market driven economy.
First of all, there's a huge difference between "Porn" and "Foot Porn", mainly the audiences' nuances and how tight knit the foot group is to the general "Porn" viewer, so right there the demand for production and content differs.
Second, I just don't see the "people" you talk about stepping up and even considering different avenues of production let alone marketing. Beyond a girl with a camera doing foot selfies for a small audience on Twitter (which will get stale just like the beloved pay site apparently), there's no one else creating new content but the photographers and videographers that ran pay sites. The average Joe has no interest in hitting the bricks to make his own foot material with random women anymore. Trust me, low lit bedroom foot selfies will get stale eventually, especially when she charges you $50 just to chat first before your first pic.
The grass usually isn't greener applies here.
Posted by BareSoles84 (Member # 45910) on :
I think the “Golden Age” of foot fetish is right now. While I wouldn’t say foot fetishism is mainstream, it’s more well known and more accepted today than it was say 20 years ago. And foot content is pretty much a dime a dozen.
quote:Originally posted by longhitter04: I don't think it's become diluted, as you out it. Content is much more available now than ever before, especially free content.
This is no different than any business. When a new market is created, everyone jumps in to take advantage. After the market starts to mature, consolidation occurs.
quote:Originally posted by longhitter04: Don't kid yourself. There will always be high demand in the porn business and people will be there taking advantage of it with new content through different avenues.
But let's assume you are correct and the day does come when the content becomes "stale"...
If and when that day comes, and there is a demand for that supply, several people will step up to capitalize on it and compete for that demand. That's the beauty of capitalism and a market driven economy.
Great posts. Rudimentary microeconomics.
Posted by Sauvage (Member # 52434) on :
Doubtful any of us on the consumer side of this debate can fully comment on the accuracies of the assumed microeconomics and rudimentary trends of the business without proper experience. The trends are not looking good either way based on the suggested topic at hand. If the question was posed, then someone already sees "stale" coming. My imagination can only tell me that the old guard is standing wait at the castle draw bridge with camera in hand when social media folds.
Posted by BareSoles84 (Member # 45910) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sauvage: Doubtful any of us on the consumer side of this debate can fully comment on the accuracies of the assumed microeconomics and rudimentary trends of the business without proper experience.
Supply and demand is a pretty simple economic concept. You don’t need to own a business, or a small foot fetish porn site in this case, to understand how it works.
Posted by Sauvage (Member # 52434) on :
But you need to know the specific nuances of this niche to be successful which transcends common concepts. The core knowledge of supply and demand will always be helpful but there's trends, preferences, and seasons of high and low markets only the insiders of the business know that keep them going and being successful. The ones who didn't pick up on these things have already thrown in the towel and succumbed to the dying and stale market.
Posted by TruthBeTold (Member # 47114) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sauvage: low lit bedroom foot selfies will get stale eventually, especially when she charges you $50 just to chat first before your first pic.
The grass usually isn't greener applies here.
This Sauvage guy really knows what the heck he is talking about. Hopefully, these overpriced greedy dynamics for low quality foot selfies are seen for what they are worth (ie. a major ripoff).
Posted by HighArchesPT (Member # 45164) on :
quote:Originally posted by TruthBeTold:
quote:Originally posted by Sauvage: low lit bedroom foot selfies will get stale eventually, especially when she charges you $50 just to chat first before your first pic.
The grass usually isn't greener applies here.
This Sauvage guy really knows what the heck he is talking about. Hopefully, these overpriced greedy dynamics for low quality foot selfies are seen for what they are worth (ie. a major ripoff).
That kind of crap is living along with quality content for quite some time now, and that's not a reason to make myself a buyer of such crap - never bought it and never will.
I also don't think that individual photographer websites will come back - unless for pure hobby or self indulging reasons. Things evolve and that's not the way to share content anymore.
I'm a daily consumer of online foot fetish content. I can't recall the last time I paid for it - probably circa the 2000's on one of the already mentioned websites. There's quality and very well organized free content out there nowadays.
Posted by stlgamer1 (Member # 50518) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sauvage: But you need to know the specific nuances of this niche to be successful which transcends common concepts. The core knowledge of supply and demand will always be helpful but there's trends, preferences, and seasons of high and low markets only the insiders of the business know that keep them going and being successful. The ones who didn't pick up on these things have already thrown in the towel and succumbed to the dying and stale market.
That would be me, or was me, when I was in this market 15 years ago. I am not saying that I had a foot site that was in the "Golden Age" either, nor was my site the most popular or successful, as in fact: it sucked. Back in late 2003, I had a yahoo group and invited women to add their foot pictures and had some ladies from Myspace as well. (That was a while... ago.) I had made a website and I had at most 70 members, over a 3 year span. I had full models, clothed, showing off their feet and legs and showing faces. The website had over 10,000 photos, 200 videos and stories and a forum and online chat with the models and I thought that it was a cool idea. I was giving what I would have wanted in a foot site. But there were also problems... So, I had the knowledge of the niche as was part of it and in the thick of it, and even had knowledge of a new technology, as my foot site was the first that used DNN technology, and had shown that I could supply the demand. Or at least some of it. Because the new technology of DNN, there didn't exist the same "right click and save" ability for downloading photos. While the site was fast and beautiful, it wasn't user friendly. This meant that I couldn't keep paid members for more than a month. The process to download a picture set, meant that you had to download a .zip file with all of the pictures, so if you only wanted one or two, you could view them in a slideshow but then had to go out of the gallery area to download them. I even tried to copy the layout of the bhe sites, like feetheat or footfighters, and use the framed gallery links and so forth and while it worked with the layout, it didn't work because of the membership. The DNN language meant that it was easier for me to upkeep and the models could even access the ftp themselves and upload their own content, which was so easy for me. But, that new language meant that the traditional way of clicking the "join" button and then running through a pos app and buying a membership, didn't work on that language. Ccbill and even paypal didn't have an app or widget that worked on DNN yet, as it was still too new, and I had someone code one for me that worked. But Paypal was the only one that would work with my coder, which meant that I couldn't have nudity, which meant, clothed women and feet.
So, as the owner of a failed foot fetish website, that gave the audience the pictures of hot, young girls, foot worship, self toe sucking, tons of videos of them talking to the camera and working with the amateur girl-next-door type of foot model, I gave them the supply for their demand. But in a way that was feasible and downloadable, and easy to use and access, it failed and I could not supply. So, that site failed.
That was a ship that sailed long ago and my life has moved on in such a way that I will never think of owning a foot site or site that has to deal with people again.
I think, as I mentioned already, that there is a market for the old foot fetish and not sex, inclusive foot sites again. Maybe not the ones where every woman who has a camera or phone takes pictures and makes money from it. But also not the ones where every photo shoot or video is a girl and guy and ends up with he fucking her and her giving him a footjob. I think the art is still in the tease and nothing is sexier than a girl just showing off her feet.
Posted by sftfan (Member # 1959) on :
There was a thread here a few months ago asking more or less the same question (something like "where did all the foot sites go"). The thread was deleted for some reason (possibly the two obnoxious retards who were engaged in an interminable argument).
Anyway, I posted in that thread, making three points:
1) Instagram has disintermediated foot sites, removing the overhead of running a site (shoots, studios etc). So instead of having subscription revenue and site costs, they have minimal costs and just go on donations/tributes.
This works because the cost of making and publishing content is tiny these days. Any co-ed can take clips of her feet (while waiting for her pumpkin spice concoction or whatever) and publish to Instagram - it's just about free of charge. When the cost of publishing is tiny, it makes sense to go on tributes/customs instead. You get less out of each follower (compared to a subscription site), but you make up for it in volume (more followers).
And if you want to publish longer videos, you have Youtube.
2) Clip stores are eating into the site model (and would have done so faster if Clips4sale didn't suck so badly; iWantClips and Manyvids are much better); this might have accelerated as the transition from pictures to video happened.
And anyway, if you wanted to spend, say, $20 on feet, would you spend it buying, say, two $10 clips from a girl whose feet you like, or would you spend it buying a $20 one-month subscription to a website where you're only interested in two or three of the girls there? So not surprisingly, clip stores have taken heaps of business from the traditional site model.
3) Fansites (eg. Onlyfans, ConnectPal, iWantFanClub etc) allow sellers to use the subscription model without the overhead of running a site (payment processing, hosting, etc). In other words, think of fansites as "auto-BHE" - you just upload the content and they run the site for you, at the expense of being able to customise the site, I guess.
Put those three things together, and it's surprising that there's any sites still up. Maybe the "golden age" of feet was actually just the "traditional website age", to eventually be eclipsed by social media, clip stores, and fan sites.
Posted by BareSoles84 (Member # 45910) on :
quote:There's quality and very well organized free content out there nowadays.
And I must reiterate, when all the producers stop creating content what happens to your empire? Most of the "free" content out there started off as paid for membership content on websites before it was shared for free. When all that stops, and it will, the free market will dry up and become stale. Even all the solo models sharing content want to be paid, good luck convincing them to give you free photos! Posted by HighArchesPT (Member # 45164) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sauvage:
quote:There's quality and very well organized free content out there nowadays.
And I must reiterate, when all the producers stop creating content what happens to your empire? Most of the "free" content out there started off as paid for membership content on websites before it was shared for free. When all that stops, and it will, the free market will dry up and become stale. Even all the solo models sharing content want to be paid, good luck convincing them to give you free photos!
I'm not the one who has to pay for it. Let's take Instagram as an example. When you have an account with a few tens of thousands followers you have something that is already valuable per se, you only have to monetize it. I think that this was already mentioned in the previous messages.
Just to make myself clear, I'm not talking about websites that are releasing previous paid content for free, like you are assuming I am - those are already dead.
Posted by Sauvage (Member # 52434) on :
quote:Originally posted by HighArchesPT:
quote:Originally posted by Sauvage:
quote:There's quality and very well organized free content out there nowadays.
And I must reiterate, when all the producers stop creating content what happens to your empire? Most of the "free" content out there started off as paid for membership content on websites before it was shared for free. When all that stops, and it will, the free market will dry up and become stale. Even all the solo models sharing content want to be paid, good luck convincing them to give you free photos!
I'm not the one who has to pay for it. Let's take Instagram as an example. When you have an account with a few tens of thousands followers you have something that is already valuable per se, you only have to monetize it. I think that this was already mentioned in the previous messages.
Just to make myself clear, I'm not talking about websites that are releasing previous paid content for free, like you are assuming I am - those are already dead.
I don't agree that an instagram account with 10k followers is worth anything other than a "pat on the back" for the model. Monetizing is based solely on creating good enough content that keeps your subscribers happy and they are willing to pay you the asking price for said service whether it be photos, videos, or articles of clothing. Most women are raping men's wallets for garbage content and the thrill of interacting with a social media star. When you charge any guy who walks through the door $50 just to chat, you're not going to survive.
Regarding websites,I'm not sure I understand what releasing previously paid content for free means, unless you mean hack jobs who re-badge photos with their own watermark on them on social media, maybe? At the end of the day, the last remaining sites that are up are up because they A)Still make enough cash for it to be worth the owner's while to continue B)Said Owner isn't trying to make a living off it and is happy with "X" pay out.
Posted by BareSoles84 (Member # 45910) on :
Just out of curiosity, to seemingly know so much about how membership sites operate (nuances, trends, etc) and to essentially be fervently asserting how important they actually are in foot guys’ lives, do you run a membership site of your own, or did you at one time? Or are you merely just a huge fan of membership sites, particularly Norcalfeet?
I noticed that other than your few posts in this thread, the rest of your posts since joining have been dedicated to posting in Norcalfeet’s threads in the content section, which up until then, had been pretty lifeless. So I’m just curious if you do or did run a paid membership site, or if you’re merely just a staunch fan.
Posted by Sauvage (Member # 52434) on :
quote:Originally posted by BareSoles84: Just out of curiosity, to seemingly know so much about how membership sites operate (nuances, trends, etc) and to essentially be fervently asserting how important they actually are in foot guys’ lives, do you run a membership site of your own, or did you at one time? Or are you merely just a huge fan of membership sites, particularly Norcalfeet?
I noticed that other than your few posts in this thread, the rest of your posts since joining have been dedicated to posting in Norcalfeet’s threads in the content section, which up until then, had been pretty lifeless. So I’m just curious if you do or did run a paid membership site, or if you’re merely just a staunch fan.
I don't claim to know anything about websites or social media. The claims made earlier were simply my opinion and I could be way off base. I would assume none of us know at the end of the day really what works and what doesn't since none of us assuming things have actually run a site. Like you say, the basic economics and common sense business practices should tell you enough. I have spoken with freelance people in the business at foot parties over the years so I understand some enough to comment.
Posted by TruthBeTold (Member # 47114) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sauvage: Most women are raping men's wallets for garbage content and the thrill of interacting with a social media star. When you charge any guy who walks through the door $50 just to chat, you're not going to survive.
Exactamundo! Posted by HighArchesPT (Member # 45164) on :
quote:Originally posted by TruthBeTold:
quote:Originally posted by Sauvage: Most women are raping men's wallets for garbage content and the thrill of interacting with a social media star. When you charge any guy who walks through the door $50 just to chat, you're not going to survive.
Exactamundo!
Apparently they are surviving or else they wouldn't be out there right? There's a niche for everything, even if it's the last thing we would pay for - I wouldn't myself.
But if those girls are making money now - literally as we speak - it seems a bit arrogant to say that they won't survive while comparing their model against the already dead private photographer website business model. Even if they are making money only of people that have the thrill of being stolen or dominated or whatever - also not judging tastes: to each its own.
Posted by Sauvage (Member # 52434) on :
quote:Originally posted by HighArchesPT:
quote:Originally posted by TruthBeTold:
quote:Originally posted by Sauvage: Most women are raping men's wallets for garbage content and the thrill of interacting with a social media star. When you charge any guy who walks through the door $50 just to chat, you're not going to survive.
Exactamundo!
Apparently they are surviving or else they wouldn't be out there right? There's a niche for everything, even if it's the last thing we would pay for - I wouldn't myself.
But if those girls are making money now - literally as we speak - it seems a bit arrogant to say that they won't survive while comparing their model against the already dead private photographer website business model. Even if they are making money only of people that have the thrill of being stolen or dominated or whatever - also not judging tastes: to each its own.
They won't survive because they are greedy in that, their "rates" are astronomical for very little content compared to a pay site that may have 10 years or more of archives of many different models to choose from. I think in order to accurately say "private photographer websites" are 'dead' then every last pay site has to be closed and there are still quite a few (and they make money apparently).
Posted by solesurvivordragon (Member # 37330) on :
quote:Originally posted by sftfan: There was a thread here a few months ago asking more or less the same question (something like "where did all the foot sites go"). The thread was deleted for some reason (possibly the two obnoxious retards who were engaged in an interminable argument).
Anyway, I posted in that thread, making three points:
1) Instagram has disintermediated foot sites, removing the overhead of running a site (shoots, studios etc). So instead of having subscription revenue and site costs, they have minimal costs and just go on donations/tributes.
This works because the cost of making and publishing content is tiny these days. Any co-ed can take clips of her feet (while waiting for her pumpkin spice concoction or whatever) and publish to Instagram - it's just about free of charge. When the cost of publishing is tiny, it makes sense to go on tributes/customs instead. You get less out of each follower (compared to a subscription site), but you make up for it in volume (more followers).
And if you want to publish longer videos, you have Youtube.
2) Clip stores are eating into the site model (and would have done so faster if Clips4sale didn't suck so badly; iWantClips and Manyvids are much better); this might have accelerated as the transition from pictures to video happened.
And anyway, if you wanted to spend, say, $20 on feet, would you spend it buying, say, two $10 clips from a girl whose feet you like, or would you spend it buying a $20 one-month subscription to a website where you're only interested in two or three of the girls there? So not surprisingly, clip stores have taken heaps of business from the traditional site model.
3) Fansites (eg. Onlyfans, ConnectPal, iWantFanClub etc) allow sellers to use the subscription model without the overhead of running a site (payment processing, hosting, etc). In other words, think of fansites as "auto-BHE" - you just upload the content and they run the site for you, at the expense of being able to customise the site, I guess.
Put those three things together, and it's surprising that there's any sites still up. Maybe the "golden age" of feet was actually just the "traditional website age", to eventually be eclipsed by social media, clip stores, and fan sites.
With #3, it can really pinch a pretty penny when it comes to OnlyFans. There are a good number of my favorite foot models that are on there and right now, I just can't afford to go there and follow $20 or more (what with paying rent and other necessities).
Posted by HighArchesPT (Member # 45164) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sauvage:
quote:Originally posted by HighArchesPT:
quote:Originally posted by TruthBeTold:
quote:Originally posted by Sauvage: Most women are raping men's wallets for garbage content and the thrill of interacting with a social media star. When you charge any guy who walks through the door $50 just to chat, you're not going to survive.
Exactamundo!
Apparently they are surviving or else they wouldn't be out there right? There's a niche for everything, even if it's the last thing we would pay for - I wouldn't myself.
But if those girls are making money now - literally as we speak - it seems a bit arrogant to say that they won't survive while comparing their model against the already dead private photographer website business model. Even if they are making money only of people that have the thrill of being stolen or dominated or whatever - also not judging tastes: to each its own.
They won't survive because they are greedy in that, their "rates" are astronomical for very little content compared to a pay site that may have 10 years or more of archives of many different models to choose from. I think in order to accurately say "private photographer websites" are 'dead' then every last pay site has to be closed and there are still quite a few (and they make money apparently).
Of course they do not. What they earn is beer money (if something at all), which makes me think that the main reason for some to keep doing it is for indulging their own fetish or as a hobby - both seem to be very valid reasons, hopefully based on the very well thought decision of putting that much effort into it because, you know, you only live once.
Making money is what the guy from wikifeet is doing, which allowed him to quit his job and make a living of it.
Also making money is what some Instagram girls do with their few thousands monthly income - what you called a pat on the back - and making a living of it.
Posted by Sauvage (Member # 52434) on :
quote: Of course they do not. What they earn is beer money (if something at all), which makes me think that the main reason for some to keep doing it is for indulging their own fetish or as a hobby - both seem to be very valid reasons, hopefully based on the very well thought decision of putting that much effort into it because, you know, you only live once.
Making money is what the guy from wikifeet is doing, which allowed him to quit his job and make a living of it.
Also making money is what some Instagram girls do with their few thousands monthly income - what you called a pat on the back - and making a living of it.
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You're still assuming whatever paid sites that still are operational are only making "beer money". I don't think you can say that with certainty, only a personal opinion. I've had the discussion with one photographer at a foot party who still claims the pay site model is lucrative enough to supplement half of his income.
Pat on the back is the 20k subscriber number the individual model can look at at the top of her page, it's just an ego stroking irrelevancy when only a couple hundred have ever initiated contact beyond "following" her page. If the cheap guys are afraid of plopping $30/month down for a pay site, what makes you think they'll pay $50 just to initiate dialog with a Twitter girl? Posted by HighArchesPT (Member # 45164) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sauvage: I've had the discussion with one photographer at a foot party who still claims the pay site model is lucrative enough to supplement half of his income.
Which photographer was this?
Posted by Feetosopher (Member # 45909) on :
Just my two cents in the debate. I cannot speak for the other vendors (I have no access to their balance sheets), but after launching BAREFOOT NUDITY and BAREFOOT URBAN GIRLS in late 2013 (and hence way after the end of the "Golden Age" of old-style paysites), I quickly realised that both sites would never go beyond a way to self-fund both my hobby (that is, producing foot-themed erotica) and my summer holidays abroad with a barefoot beauty to keep me "company".. The reasons for that are many. Ordinary Joes & Plain Janes flooding the web with free foot-themed material. Instagram foot girls, Twitter foot girls, Facebook foot girls, what-the-heck foot girls selling foot-themed material in countless ways, including several platforms such as Patreon, clips4sale, etc. And above all, pirate sites which rip off legit paysites, and make their content available for a fee. In a nutshell.. if I did not think that running an old-style paysite is still a cool hobby in spite of the aforementioned pains in the ass (from a vendor's standpoint, of course).. my sites would be offline since long ago.
Posted by Sauvage (Member # 52434) on :
quote:Originally posted by Feetosopher: Just my two cents in the debate. I cannot speak for the other vendors (I have no access to their balance sheets), but after launching BAREFOOT NUDITY and BAREFOOT URBAN GIRLS in late 2013 (and hence way after the end of the "Golden Age" of old-style paysites), I quickly realised that both sites would never go beyond a way to self-fund both my hobby (that is, producing foot-themed erotica) and my summer holidays abroad with a barefoot beauty to keep me "company".. The reasons for that are many. Ordinary Joes & Plain Janes flooding the web with free foot-themed material. Instagram foot girls, Twitter foot girls, Facebook foot girls, what-the-heck foot girls selling foot-themed material in countless ways, including several platforms such as Patreon, clips4sale, etc. And above all, pirate sites which rip off legit paysites, and make their content available for a fee. In a nutshell.. if I did not think that running an old-style paysite is still a cool hobby in spite of the aforementioned pains in the ass (from a vendor's standpoint, of course).. my sites would be offline since long ago.
That sounds like a very common sense perspective, I'm hoping that the rest of the old pay sites are also enjoying what they do as a hobby as well as make a few bucks for the service they provide. Though I'm not as much a dirty foot fan as some, I can still appreciate your content. Posted by BareSoles84 (Member # 45910) on :
I seldom ever purchase content these days, as I personally find the majority of it boring and not to my taste. Most of them are all the same. The overwhelming majority of the BHE sites on this forum for instance do nothing for me personally. In order for one to stand out to me, it has to have a unique dynamic to it and offer something that sets it apart, where it’s essentially the only one of its kind. Consequently, there’s only a select few sites (clips4sale or other) that I’ll buy something from now and then because I like their content.
Other than that, I pretty much steer clear. Same with the IG “goddesses.” That schtick is way overblown in my opinion. Even that aside, I’ve only seen maybe two or three whose feet I actually like.
Posted by blueopalfeet (Member # 52467) on :
Interesting comments. I'm wondering if those creating work through photography copyright their work? feetosopher mentions pirating which is always a concern in the internet age. Does copyright help? I have seen pictures that are signed by their creator, and identified by some copyright statement. Does that stop pirating? Does copyrighting a business help as well?
Posted by Feetosopher (Member # 45909) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sauvage:
quote:Originally posted by Feetosopher: Just my two cents in the debate. I cannot speak for the other vendors (I have no access to their balance sheets), but after launching BAREFOOT NUDITY and BAREFOOT URBAN GIRLS in late 2013 (and hence way after the end of the "Golden Age" of old-style paysites), I quickly realised that both sites would never go beyond a way to self-fund both my hobby (that is, producing foot-themed erotica) and my summer holidays abroad with a barefoot beauty to keep me "company".. The reasons for that are many. Ordinary Joes & Plain Janes flooding the web with free foot-themed material. Instagram foot girls, Twitter foot girls, Facebook foot girls, what-the-heck foot girls selling foot-themed material in countless ways, including several platforms such as Patreon, clips4sale, etc. And above all, pirate sites which rip off legit paysites, and make their content available for a fee. In a nutshell.. if I did not think that running an old-style paysite is still a cool hobby in spite of the aforementioned pains in the ass (from a vendor's standpoint, of course).. my sites would be offline since long ago.
That sounds like a very common sense perspective, I'm hoping that the rest of the old pay sites are also enjoying what they do as a hobby as well as make a few bucks for the service they provide. Though I'm not as much a dirty foot fan as some, I can still appreciate your content.
Great to know, thank you very much! I am friends with Hal of Toes-In-Action (I mean, I know him personally), and he sure enjoys what he does.. just like me.. Posted by Feetosopher (Member # 45909) on :
quote:Originally posted by blueopalfeet: Interesting comments. I'm wondering if those creating work through photography copyright their work? feetosopher mentions pirating which is always a concern in the internet age. Does copyright help? I have seen pictures that are signed by their creator, and identified by some copyright statement. Does that stop pirating? Does copyrighting a business help as well?
My experience (again, I can just speak for myself and for my sites) is that copyrighting pictures and videos may be an effective deterrent against certain pirates, but it is no magic bullet. Most pirate websites are based in countries (usually ex-SSSR ones) which have ridiculous legislation on copyright infringement. The situation allows those pirate sites to live and prosper.. there is basically nothing that can be done, in the absence of adequate legal safeguard to copyrighted material.. Posted by adam foote (Member # 52322) on :
i think it's better than ever right now
people and their nostalgia are funny, there are more hot girls today on instagram than there ever were running mostly lame websites, yet you guys think it was better back then?
most of the girls that i use to jack it to constantly 15 years ago don't hold a candle to the girls of today
plus today we have porn hub where we get endless videos uploaded daily, back in the so called "golden age" most didn't have videos and if they did we had dial up internet which took forever to download low quality videos, rather than streaming
some instagram girls charge too much and some are fair, i'm more than willing to pay for quality and one of them gave me videos that i honestly think are the hottest thing i've ever seen on the internet
Posted by Sauvage (Member # 52434) on :
quote:Originally posted by Feetosopher:
quote:Originally posted by blueopalfeet: Interesting comments. I'm wondering if those creating work through photography copyright their work? feetosopher mentions pirating which is always a concern in the internet age. Does copyright help? I have seen pictures that are signed by their creator, and identified by some copyright statement. Does that stop pirating? Does copyrighting a business help as well?
My experience (again, I can just speak for myself and for my sites) is that copyrighting pictures and videos may be an effective deterrent against certain pirates, but it is no magic bullet. Most pirate websites are based in countries (usually ex-SSSR ones) which have ridiculous legislation on copyright infringement. The situation allows those pirate sites to live and prosper.. there is basically nothing that can be done, in the absence of adequate legal safeguard to copyrighted material..
This. I know as far as the publishing business there's literally nothing that can be done. I've seen literal images directly from certain websites with a badly photo shopped out watermark and their own watermark pasted right over the top. There's a couple thieves on Twitter doing this.
Posted by blueopalfeet (Member # 52467) on :
Thanks, Feetosopher.
Posted by tintin19153 (Member # 3694) on :
Times have changed for good and bad. I don't miss the old days. Most fetish type videos back in the day, feet, spanking things like this. The companies charged way too much money. What I do miss, the forums were more fun and close Knit. Now you have guys pretending to be women. Women thinking we are all desperate and trying to sell socks and pictures for crazy prices.
Posted by stlgamer1 (Member # 50518) on :
As both Feetosopher and Sauvage mentioned, I think a lot has to do with copyright infringement or expiration. While most pictures and photos taken, are considered in a use of copyright to the owner, some of the porn sites or tgp sites are hubbed in countries like China, that has no care for US copyright laws. But I also think the issue is that some of these old sites, that are are long gone since before the year 2000, even, just quit and moved on with their life and don't want anything to do with their website or pictures.
For example, I had built in the contract a statement saying that I own all the photos to my site. But you know what, having thousands of photos of women's feet and toes, now 11 years after I closed my site, are useless to me. The photos are small, low resolution, and just not exciting anymore. I ended up taking them apart and cropping them up to make photo collages and such, then deleting the originals.
I know that footfetishmia, quit her site to follow her nursing career and I bet Lil Mis Leah quit her's to work on her life as well. I had 20 models on my website and as I think of it now, I think they all ended up marrying and some of them have kids and then last thing they wanted to do, was move on in their life and keep doing foot pictures. If it was profitable, and they were famous, I could see them still doing it, maybe.
But during the late 90's, I think so much original foot fetish content was created, and then spread over the internet with the watermark cropped out, that these "web findings", as they were called, that now if you see a picture, no one is certain where it originally belonged to. Especially if the original site is closed. Amateurspanishfeet? Closed. Femfeet.com? Closed. Footarlarm and removetheshoes? Closed and closed. And yeah, in theory the owners of those sites retain copyright to their images for 70 years, but how many of them just decide to relinquish it and let it go?
I think some feet producers, like instagram girls, will get old, as how many pairs of feet can you look at until you start to lose interest?
Posted by Feetosopher (Member # 45909) on :
@blueopalfeet: you are most welcome!
@sauvage: there are way too many motherfXXXers on internet (including social media) who could not care less about copyright.. they basically think that they can edit and re-post at will any picture or video which they happen to find on the web, and they often claim to be the authors..
@all the dudes who argue that the Golden Age of foot-focused adult entertainment is now.. well, if you are a dude surfing the web for free stuff, surely it is.. yet if you are a producer and vendor investing time, money and mental energies into creating and marketing quality material, surely it is NOT.
Posted by adam foote (Member # 52322) on :
quote:Originally posted by Feetosopher:
@all the dudes who argue that the Golden Age of foot-focused adult entertainment is now.. well, if you are a dude surfing the web for free stuff, surely it is.. yet if you are a producer and vendor investing time, money and mental energies into creating and marketing quality material, surely it is NOT.
like i said, i am willing to pay for quality
what i paid for is better than anything i saw for free but the problem is most isn't worth paying for, now or during the "golden age"
when i pay i look for all of the following
amateur model that lives the lifestyle, at least a 7 out of 10 looks and 8 out of 10 feet by my standards, offers a wide variety of content for a fair price
most don't meet my criteria, they either look great or have bad feet or have great feet but look average at best or they offer lame content and charge an unreasonable price
i don't pay for any girl or website that is run by a studio or photographer no matter how cheap it is, she has to be living the lifestyle because that enhances the fantasy of being with her, on top of that most of this stuff ends up on porn hub for free
Posted by BareSoles84 (Member # 45910) on :
quote:Originally posted by Feetosopher: @all the dudes who argue that the Golden Age of foot-focused adult entertainment is now.. well, if you are a dude surfing the web for free stuff, surely it is.. yet if you are a producer and vendor investing time, money and mental energies into creating and marketing quality material, surely it is NOT.
Free stuff from your membership sites have little to nothing to do with why I think the “golden age of foot fetish” is in the now. I see free images from membership sites all the time, and the overwhelming majority of them I skip right on by because I’m not interested in that site’s content to begin with, even for free. The only content I watch for free is from sites I occasionally patronize anyway, because I like their content. Like I said before, the majority of membership sites advertised on this forum don’t interest me.
As I stated earlier, I seldom ever purchase content these days, especially from old membership sites, because I find the majority of it to be vapid and not to my taste. In order for a site to stand out to me, it has to have a unique dynamic to it and offer something that sets it apart from everything else, where it’s essentially the only one of its kind, or one of the few. Many membership sites to me are most of the same thing: Paid models hired off of modeling sites sitting on a blanket in the same settings, food covered feet, barefooting in public/dirty feet, degradation, etc. None of those really interest me. Not to mention I’ve noticed webmasters of sites like that tend to be haughty and under the impression that they’re owed gratitude because they made the choice on their own volition to dedicate their time to taking pictures of people’s feet, which isn’t a need nor a necessity in order for society to function. That’s a quick way to get me to steer clear of ever buying anything from them. Don’t get me wrong, it’s appreciated, but you’re the one that made the choice to do it, so I think to expect (key word) gratitude for it, is a bit arrogant. I consider it like Hollywood actors or actresses: Thanks for offering some entertainment, but my life will still go on just fine with or without you.
I think the “golden age” is now because ever since the advent of social media, it seems foot fetishism has become more well known. While I wouldn’t say it’s become mainstream and is widely accepted, it’s become a bit more accepted than it was say 30 years ago. Like I said before, content is now a dime a dozen and in abundance, and the options in which to choose from are much more vast (which is part of the reason why a site to me has to be unique in order for me to purchase from it, because there’s so many other options). Random chicks off the street seem much more willing today to bare their feet at a total stranger’s request as a lark. You see more and more well known male figures (Quentin Tarantino, Idris Elba, Rex Ryan, Enrique Iglesias, etc) giving a positive reflection of foot fetishists by admitting they like female feet and not apologizing for it, nor caring if anyone ribs them for it because it’s not a big deal. There’s a myriad of reasons to believe why the best time to have a foot fetish, is now.
Social media I think is the best place today to find new and great content. Sure it’s also free, but if I stumble across an Instagram page and I like the content on that page and what they have to offer, and they happen to have a site where you can buy stuff, then I’ll buy something from them on occasion.
Posted by Sauvage (Member # 52434) on :
quote:Originally posted by Feetosopher: @blueopalfeet: you are most welcome!
@sauvage: there are way too many motherfXXXers on internet (including social media) who could not care less about copyright.. they basically think that they can edit and re-post at will any picture or video which they happen to find on the web, and they often claim to be the authors..
@all the dudes who argue that the Golden Age of foot-focused adult entertainment is now.. well, if you are a dude surfing the web for free stuff, surely it is.. yet if you are a producer and vendor investing time, money and mental energies into creating and marketing quality material, surely it is NOT.
I don't think even after all the evidence provided that some people will ever understand supply and demand and how this "free content" they enjoy online equates to someone having put the time and effort as you mentioned into said project, whether it be a solo model on Instagram or a model on a website. They assume that these girls owe them free content, right now right here and exactly how they ordered it like they just ordered a meal from GrubHub and they got the order wrong.
I think the only "Golden Era" of foot fetishism is the one being lived by the guys actually getting the feet and taking the pictures not us debating about it on a 1998 format style discussion board Posted by BareSoles84 (Member # 45910) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sauvage: I don't think even after all the evidence provided that some people will ever understand supply and demand and how this "free content" they enjoy online equates to someone having put the time and effort as you mentioned into said project, whether it be a solo model on Instagram or a model on a website. They assume that these girls owe them free content, right now right here and exactly how they ordered it like they just ordered a meal from GrubHub and they got the order wrong.
I think the only "Golden Era" of foot fetishism is the one being lived by the guys actually getting the feet and taking the pictures not us debating about it on a 1998 format style discussion board
I disagree. I don’t see where anyone on here has said that they think they’re actually owed free content, just that they take advantage of it. I’d disagree as well with anyone who has the expectation that they’re owed free content because I don’t think anyone is entitled to others’ time or money. When you declare something a “right,” or that you’re owed or entitled to something, you’re conferring an obligation on someone else. However, I have seen countless times where webmasters seem to be under the impression that you owe them your hard earned money that you put your time and effort into making because they made the choice (nobody asked nor forced them to do it) to make their money by taking pictures of other people’s feet, regardless of how good you think their content is or not, simply because they chose to put their time and effort into making it. It goes both ways: Webmasters don’t owe it to anyone to provide jerk off material, and nobody owes webmasters their money or gratitude simply because they decided to put time and effort into producing jerk off material.
Me personally? My show of appreciation is choosing to buy someone’s content because I think it’s good and deserving of being purchased. I don’t feel I owe a webmaster a gratuity fee or a participation trophy simply because they decided on their own volition to take pictures of people’s feet. If your content is that good, people will buy it. I see people asking on Instagram in comments all the time where they can purchase someone’s content if they like what they see on that person’s Instagram page where they offer samples of their content. The thing is, foot whack off material on the Internet has become so abundant and plentiful that people aren’t willing to pay a high price for it, and are selective on what they do choose to pay for because the options are so vast. Take big screen TVs for instance. Twenty years ago, they were rare and you had to pay a pretty penny for them, but people bought them because the demand was there. So just about every electronics company recognized that demand and took advantage of that hot market. Market became saturated, and now, even every corner pawn shop has one at a cheap price.
Also, “getting” feet and taking pictures of feet are two different things. Taking pictures of feet doesn’t invariably mean you’re getting your hands on them to worship them, and choosing to make your money via other means than owning a foot jerk off site doesn’t mean you’re therefore not getting feet. That’s akin to saying that if you don’t produce or direct porno videos, then you must not be having sex. Which of course, would sound absurd to any rational person.
Posted by Sauvage (Member # 52434) on :
quote:Originally posted by tintin19153: Times have changed for good and bad. I don't miss the old days. Most fetish type videos back in the day, feet, spanking things like this. The companies charged way too much money. What I do miss, the forums were more fun and close Knit. Now you have guys pretending to be women. Women thinking we are all desperate and trying to sell socks and pictures for crazy prices.
Way too much money? I seem to remember most pay sites being between $19.95-$29.95/month, do you have any specific examples you would consider too much because that seems reasonable to me. Also, the discussion forums have never been "close knit" by any means unless you mean by virtue of what exactly we all like and talk about and that is usually limited to feet (mostly).
Guys have always pretended to be women online since day one as well, and probably won't ever change. Final point, most men ARE in fact desperate and WILL pay crazy amounts of money for even the slightest thing regarding their fetish. This is what keeps the social media models fed and the cycle going.
Posted by Feetosopher (Member # 45909) on :
quote:Originally posted by adam foote:
quote:Originally posted by Feetosopher:
@all the dudes who argue that the Golden Age of foot-focused adult entertainment is now.. well, if you are a dude surfing the web for free stuff, surely it is.. yet if you are a producer and vendor investing time, money and mental energies into creating and marketing quality material, surely it is NOT.
like i said, i am willing to pay for quality
what i paid for is better than anything i saw for free but the problem is most isn't worth paying for, now or during the "golden age"
when i pay i look for all of the following
amateur model that lives the lifestyle, at least a 7 out of 10 looks and 8 out of 10 feet by my standards, offers a wide variety of content for a fair price
most don't meet my criteria, they either look great or have bad feet or have great feet but look average at best or they offer lame content and charge an unreasonable price
i don't pay for any girl or website that is run by a studio or photographer no matter how cheap it is, she has to be living the lifestyle because that enhances the fantasy of being with her, on top of that most of this stuff ends up on porn hub for free
I am perfectly comfortable with the fact that your (or anyone else's) idea of "quality stuff" can be completely different than mine. Plus, I am not a woman, so I clearly cannot "live the lifestyle".. yet most of the girls I shoot simply enjoy barefooting in public and exhibitionism, pose mostly for fun, and do not earn a living through modelling. That said.. you don't like the stuff featured on my sites? No worries.. luckily for me, a few others do, and this allows me to keep on having fun with running them.. Posted by Feetosopher (Member # 45909) on :
quote:Originally posted by BareSoles84:
quote:Originally posted by Feetosopher: @all the dudes who argue that the Golden Age of foot-focused adult entertainment is now.. well, if you are a dude surfing the web for free stuff, surely it is.. yet if you are a producer and vendor investing time, money and mental energies into creating and marketing quality material, surely it is NOT.
Free stuff from your membership sites have little to nothing to do with why I think the “golden age of foot fetish” is in the now. I see free images from membership sites all the time, and the overwhelming majority of them I skip right on by because I’m not interested in that site’s content to begin with, even for free. The only content I watch for free is from sites I occasionally patronize anyway, because I like their content. Like I said before, the majority of membership sites advertised on this forum don’t interest me.
As I stated earlier, I seldom ever purchase content these days, especially from old membership sites, because I find the majority of it to be vapid and not to my taste. In order for a site to stand out to me, it has to have a unique dynamic to it and offer something that sets it apart from everything else, where it’s essentially the only one of its kind, or one of the few. Many membership sites to me are most of the same thing: Paid models hired off of modeling sites sitting on a blanket in the same settings, food covered feet, barefooting in public/dirty feet, degradation, etc. None of those really interest me. Not to mention I’ve noticed webmasters of sites like that tend to be haughty and under the impression that they’re owed gratitude because they made the choice on their own volition to dedicate their time to taking pictures of people’s feet, which isn’t a need nor a necessity in order for society to function. That’s a quick way to get me to steer clear of ever buying anything from them. Don’t get me wrong, it’s appreciated, but you’re the one that made the choice to do it, so I think to expect (key word) gratitude for it, is a bit arrogant. I consider it like Hollywood actors or actresses: Thanks for offering some entertainment, but my life will still go on just fine with or without you.
I think the “golden age” is now because ever since the advent of social media, it seems foot fetishism has become more well known. While I wouldn’t say it’s become mainstream and is widely accepted, it’s become a bit more accepted than it was say 30 years ago. Like I said before, content is now a dime a dozen and in abundance, and the options in which to choose from are much more vast (which is part of the reason why a site to me has to be unique in order for me to purchase from it, because there’s so many other options). Random chicks off the street seem much more willing today to bare their feet at a total stranger’s request as a lark. You see more and more well known male figures (Quentin Tarantino, Idris Elba, Rex Ryan, Enrique Iglesias, etc) giving a positive reflection of foot fetishists by admitting they like female feet and not apologizing for it, nor caring if anyone ribs them for it because it’s not a big deal. There’s a myriad of reasons to believe why the best time to have a foot fetish, is now.
Social media I think is the best place today to find new and great content. Sure it’s also free, but if I stumble across an Instagram page and I like the content on that page and what they have to offer, and they happen to have a site where you can buy stuff, then I’ll buy something from them on occasion.
Dear sir.. as I just replied to another member.. your preferences about foot-themed adult entertainment are surely different from mine, and I am perfectly comfortable with that. You find my stuff "vapid"? No worries at all, a few other dudes find it exciting, and are happy to pay for it.. this allows me to keep on having fun with running my sites, and that's more than enough to me.
Oh, and just to make it clear once and for all: 1) I do not expect gratitude for the free promo stuff I post here. 2) I do not expect people to join my sites just because I have put a huge effort into them. 3) I do not assume that I am the only one here having foot sex, I do not assume that I have foot sex because I am a foot porn producer/vendor, and I do not assume that all the dudes who do not run foot porn sites are just a bunch of losers who spend most of their leisure time wanking off at foot-related stuff. I mean, any of you dudes could well get free footjobs by Salma Hayek on a daily basis, for what I know.
Just one question, sir.. you seem to have something personal against us "old style foot pornosaurs".. why?
Posted by Feetosopher (Member # 45909) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sauvage:
quote:Originally posted by Feetosopher: @blueopalfeet: you are most welcome!
@sauvage: there are way too many motherfXXXers on internet (including social media) who could not care less about copyright.. they basically think that they can edit and re-post at will any picture or video which they happen to find on the web, and they often claim to be the authors..
@all the dudes who argue that the Golden Age of foot-focused adult entertainment is now.. well, if you are a dude surfing the web for free stuff, surely it is.. yet if you are a producer and vendor investing time, money and mental energies into creating and marketing quality material, surely it is NOT.
I don't think even after all the evidence provided that some people will ever understand supply and demand and how this "free content" they enjoy online equates to someone having put the time and effort as you mentioned into said project, whether it be a solo model on Instagram or a model on a website. They assume that these girls owe them free content, right now right here and exactly how they ordered it like they just ordered a meal from GrubHub and they got the order wrong.
I think the only "Golden Era" of foot fetishism is the one being lived by the guys actually getting the feet and taking the pictures not us debating about it on a 1998 format style discussion board
Well, we live in a (more or less) free world.. anyone has the right to place the "Golden Age of Foot Fetish" wherever he/she pleases.. Posted by BareSoles84 (Member # 45910) on :
quote:Originally posted by Feetosopher: Dear sir.. as I just replied to another member.. your preferences about foot-themed adult entertainment are surely different from mine, and I am perfectly comfortable with that. You find my stuff "vapid"? No worries at all, a few other dudes find it exciting, and are happy to pay for it.. this allows me to keep on having fun with running my sites, and that's more than enough to me.
Oh, and just to make it clear once and for all: 1) I do not expect gratitude for the free promo stuff I post here. 2) I do not expect people to join my sites just because I have put a huge effort into them. 3) I do not assume that I am the only one here having foot sex, I do not assume that I have foot sex because I am a foot porn producer/vendor, and I do not assume that all the dudes who do not run foot porn sites are just a bunch of losers who spend most of their leisure time wanking off at foot-related stuff. I mean, any of you dudes could well get free footjobs by Salma Hayek on a daily basis, for what I know.
Just one question, sir.. you seem to have something personal against us "old style foot pornosaurs".. why?
My apologies if it sounded as if I have something personal against “old style foot pornosaurs.” That wasn’t my intent.
You made the remark to everyone who’s arguing that the golden age of foot fetishism is now, that you can understand why it would be the “golden age” because they can get your content for free. While I can’t speak for everyone else, I’m just saying that your content being available for free has nothing to do with why I personally think the golden age is now, because I generally don’t find the content of old membership sites to be interesting in the first place, even for free. Like I said before, sure I’ll watch free stuff like the next guy, but it’s often from sites that I patronize on occasion anyway because I like the content. Regardless if it’s free or not, I won’t look at or watch content that doesn’t really interest me to begin with.
Posted by Feetosopher (Member # 45909) on :
quote:Originally posted by BareSoles84:
quote:Originally posted by Feetosopher: Dear sir.. as I just replied to another member.. your preferences about foot-themed adult entertainment are surely different from mine, and I am perfectly comfortable with that. You find my stuff "vapid"? No worries at all, a few other dudes find it exciting, and are happy to pay for it.. this allows me to keep on having fun with running my sites, and that's more than enough to me.
Oh, and just to make it clear once and for all: 1) I do not expect gratitude for the free promo stuff I post here. 2) I do not expect people to join my sites just because I have put a huge effort into them. 3) I do not assume that I am the only one here having foot sex, I do not assume that I have foot sex because I am a foot porn producer/vendor, and I do not assume that all the dudes who do not run foot porn sites are just a bunch of losers who spend most of their leisure time wanking off at foot-related stuff. I mean, any of you dudes could well get free footjobs by Salma Hayek on a daily basis, for what I know.
Just one question, sir.. you seem to have something personal against us "old style foot pornosaurs".. why?
My apologies if it sounded as if I have something personal against “old style foot pornosaurs.” That wasn’t my intent.
You made the remark to everyone who’s arguing that the golden age of foot fetishism is now, that you can understand why it would be the “golden age” because they can get your content for free. While I can’t speak for everyone else, I’m just saying that your content being available for free has nothing to do with why I personally think the golden age is now, because I generally don’t find the content of old membership sites to be interesting in the first place, even for free. Like I said before, sure I’ll watch free stuff like the next guy, but it’s often from sites that I patronize on occasion anyway because I like the content. Regardless if it’s free or not, I won’t look at or watch content that doesn’t really interest me to begin with.
Apologies accepted, no worries about that..
However, if you read carefully my original statement, I was referring to "free stuff" IN GENERAL.. surely not just to "free stuff from my sites". I may well be a hard-nosed Italian S.O.B., but I am not that arrogant.. Plus, if you consider that any weekly update to BAREFOOT URBAN GIRLS features 50-60 member-only pictures, whereas I post just 6-8 promo pictures here on WU's, I would say that dudes assuming that they can see the best of BUG for free are totally wrong, also considering that they cannot enjoy the 2-4 HD videos available to subscribers each month..
It's simply that the quantity of foot-related material available for free nowadays (lawfully or unlawfully, i.e. through pirate sites) is unbelievably larger than it was, say, in the late 1990s.. so people looking for free foot-related stuff can mine in a huge bonanza today.
Posted by tintin19153 (Member # 3694) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sauvage:
quote:Originally posted by tintin19153: Times have changed for good and bad. I don't miss the old days. Most fetish type videos back in the day, feet, spanking things like this. The companies charged way too much money. What I do miss, the forums were more fun and close Knit. Now you have guys pretending to be women. Women thinking we are all desperate and trying to sell socks and pictures for crazy prices.
Way too much money? I seem to remember most pay sites being between $19.95-$29.95/month, do you have any specific examples you would consider too much because that seems reasonable to me. Also, the discussion forums have never been "close knit" by any means unless you mean by virtue of what exactly we all like and talk about and that is usually limited to feet (mostly).
Guys have always pretended to be women online since day one as well, and probably won't ever change. Final point, most men ARE in fact desperate and WILL pay crazy amounts of money for even the slightest thing regarding their fetish. This is what keeps the social media models fed and the cycle going.
Posted by tintin19153 (Member # 3694) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sauvage:
quote:Originally posted by tintin19153: Times have changed for good and bad. I don't miss the old days. Most fetish type videos back in the day, feet, spanking things like this. The companies charged way too much money. What I do miss, the forums were more fun and close Knit. Now you have guys pretending to be women. Women thinking we are all desperate and trying to sell socks and pictures for crazy prices.
Way too much money? I seem to remember most pay sites being between $19.95-$29.95/month, do you have any specific examples you would consider too much because that seems reasonable to me. Also, the discussion forums have never been "close knit" by any means unless you mean by virtue of what exactly we all like and talk about and that is usually limited to feet (mostly).
Guys have always pretended to be women online since day one as well, and probably won't ever change. Final point, most men ARE in fact desperate and WILL pay crazy amounts of money for even the slightest thing regarding their fetish. This is what keeps the social media models fed and the cycle going.
I`M not talking about paid sites. I'm talking compies that would make videos and sell them. In the early forums there were pretty much same people posting. I knew most of the posters. I pop in here once in awhile , when I see some of the silly title posts,I pop right back out. I guess most of the old posters are doing the same thing.The only women that you would fine were, fetish stars promoting their stuff. Guys pretending to be women ,were chased off most forums.
Posted by catsman (Member # 10269) on :
So much free available today compared to the early days of the Internet. Instagram is a smorgasbord of feet content. Subsets of Reddit have feet content galore. My introduction to internet access feet content was Janet Mason’s Foot Tease Site. She’s still going strong, even restarting some foot fetish content. Things have evolved, but I’m not convinced the past was the best. Who knows what we will have in the future.
Posted by adam foote (Member # 52322) on :
quote:Originally posted by catsman: So much free available today compared to the early days of the Internet. Instagram is a smorgasbord of feet content. Subsets of Reddit have feet content galore. My introduction to internet access feet content was Janet Mason’s Foot Tease Site. She’s still going strong, even restarting some foot fetish content. Things have evolved, but I’m not convinced the past was the best. Who knows what we will have in the future.
she was one of the first sites i found too back in the summer of 98, crazy to think she is still doing this being well into her 50's by now
Posted by footfunk305 (Member # 50227) on :
Oh my! I remember I had one membership to pantyhose feet extreme or something like back in 97. Damn I remember waiting forever for those pics to download on my Packard Bell PC. To jerk off it took an hour instead of 10 minutes. smdh
But there is no way in hell I would pay for any kind of website. From Instagram to the Net there is literally an abundance of free feet. No way you can't find what you want for free unless you are into some crazy shit.
I really don't know how pay sites survive. Especially sites like NorCal Feet. The content is lame and no nudity. Who would pay for that? Besides some of the models look like Trannys.
Soles of Silk has some hotties, but I refuse to pay. It just really doesn't make sense 22 years later.
Posted by HighArchesPT (Member # 45164) on :
Those websites still exist because their purpose is not making profit anymore. They are simply hobbies or otherwise used for indulging their own webmaster's foot fetish.
Posted by Sauvage (Member # 52434) on :
quote:Originally posted by HighArchesPT: Those websites still exist because their purpose is not making profit anymore. They are simply hobbies or otherwise used for indulging their own webmaster's foot fetish.
As I said on one of the first pages, a few of them actually are making profit still and good for them. I'm sure the owners are still indulging their fetishes to some extent as well.
Posted by HighArchesPT (Member # 45164) on :
quote:Originally posted by HighArchesPT: Those websites still exist because their purpose is not making profit anymore. They are simply hobbies or otherwise used for indulging their own webmaster's foot fetish.
I don't have a web site anymore, so shooting for me is an expensive hobby, and a good way to stay current and keep my photography eye sharp. Indulging my fetish? I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't need an excuse for that.
Posted by BareSoles84 (Member # 45910) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sauvage:
quote:Originally posted by HighArchesPT: Those websites still exist because their purpose is not making profit anymore. They are simply hobbies or otherwise used for indulging their own webmaster's foot fetish.
As I said on one of the first pages, a few of them actually are making profit still and good for them. I'm sure the owners are still indulging their fetishes to some extent as well.
Which ones?
Posted by Sauvage (Member # 52434) on :
quote:Originally posted by Fair Adam:
quote:Originally posted by HighArchesPT: Those websites still exist because their purpose is not making profit anymore. They are simply hobbies or otherwise used for indulging their own webmaster's foot fetish.
I don't have a web site anymore, so shooting for me is an expensive hobby, and a good way to stay current and keep my photography eye sharp. Indulging my fetish? I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't need an excuse for that.
If your site was still actively in swing you would probably be one of the profitable ones on the list that will always be in the black no matter what social media craze was going on, it was pretty popular and the recycled stuff still is a hit. Posted by Fair Adam (Member # 13350) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sauvage:
quote:Originally posted by Fair Adam:
quote:Originally posted by HighArchesPT: Those websites still exist because their purpose is not making profit anymore. They are simply hobbies or otherwise used for indulging their own webmaster's foot fetish.
I don't have a web site anymore, so shooting for me is an expensive hobby, and a good way to stay current and keep my photography eye sharp. Indulging my fetish? I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't need an excuse for that.
If your site was still actively in swing you would probably be one of the profitable ones on the list that will always be in the black no matter what social media craze was going on, it was pretty popular and the recycled stuff still is a hit.
Thank you for the compliment, but I doubt that my site would still be in the black. Believe it or not, I never had a huge membership, and by the time I closed, I kept finding my stuff on pirate sites, or even established sites such as pornhub, where they seem to have most of my clips. I suppose that I'm very lucky that I have a very happy personal life, and foot photography is a relatively minor part of my activities. Do I miss running a site? Not at all, but I do miss the excitement of setting a shoot, planning the shoes and wardrobe, etc. - and that's why I still book models on occasion. I'm very proud of my work, and will put it up against anyone's, and since I don't have the pressure of selling content anymore, I find that photo sessions are much more enjoyable.
Posted by HighArchesPT (Member # 45164) on :
quote:Originally posted by Fair Adam: Indulging my fetish? I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't need an excuse for that
quote:Originally posted by Fair Adam: I do miss the excitement of setting a shoot, planning the shoes and wardrobe, etc. - and that's why I still book models on occasion
It seems like after all there was some self indulging around right? you don't need an excuse to jack off to a pair of feet but a fetish is a bit more complicated than just that ;-)
Posted by Feetosopher (Member # 45909) on :
quote:Originally posted by HighArchesPT:
quote:Originally posted by Fair Adam: Indulging my fetish? I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't need an excuse for that
quote:Originally posted by Fair Adam: I do miss the excitement of setting a shoot, planning the shoes and wardrobe, etc. - and that's why I still book models on occasion
It seems like after all there was some self indulging around right? you don't need an excuse to jack off to a pair of feet but a fetish is a bit more complicated than just that ;-)
Sorry sir, probably I am less intelligent than you, but I really cannot get your point.. now.. 1) You assume that ALL the old-style foot-focused paysites around only allow their webmasters to get some "beer money".. on what evidence is your assumption based? And even in case.. SO WHAT? What's wrong with that? 2) You state that us old-style foot porn vendors are just a bunch of losers using our paysites as an excuse to indulge in our own foot fetish.. again, on what grounds? And again, even in case.. SO WHAT? What's wrong with that?
Sorry if I may sound a bit hard-nosed, but you speak as if you were the Keeper of the Truth, and the only cool dude around this forum.. do you also believe that we should all spend our lives jerking off at "your girlfriend's wrinkled sole and deep arch"? Posted by HighArchesPT (Member # 45164) on :
Nah... not even close. I don't think I could care less about what you do or don't do.
Posted by HighArchesPT (Member # 45164) on :
quote:Originally posted by Feetosopher: You state that us old-style foot porn vendors are just a bunch of losers using our paysites as an excuse to indulge in our own foot fetish.
I can't let the above statement go unnoticed though. It's a lie. I never said that. I actually said that there might be very valid reasons for people to keep doing it. I think that I have to agree with the very first sentence of your post.
Posted by Feetosopher (Member # 45909) on :
quote:Originally posted by HighArchesPT: Nah... not even close. I don't think I could care less about what you do or don't do.
It's exactly the same here as far as you and your girlfriend are concerned, sir..
And maybe you have never used exactly the words "bunch of losers" about us old-style foot pornographers, but your posts do not exactly convey the idea that you respect us and what we are doing. But maybe it's just that I am less intelligent than you, Mr. Genius.. Posted by HighArchesPT (Member # 45164) on :
You're the one who actually brought up my girlfriend. I appreciate it, really. But you seem a little bit confused.
Posted by Sauvage (Member # 52434) on :
quote:Originally posted by Feetosopher:
quote:Originally posted by HighArchesPT: Nah... not even close. I don't think I could care less about what you do or don't do.
It's exactly the same here as far as you and your girlfriend are concerned, sir..
And maybe you have never used exactly the words "bunch of losers" about us old-style foot pornographers, but your posts do not exactly convey the idea that you respect us and what we are doing. But maybe it's just that I am less intelligent than you, Mr. Genius..
He doesn't have to use those words exactly to insinuate that (his view) of the old model of pay sites and their owners are some lesser human beings working for "beer money if that".(The individual I met at a foot party if this was the case working for Beer Money he'd have to be a serious alcoholic or buying the whole bar rounds on a friday night from his profit margin it was that much. Maybe that's what he does who knows and who cares)?
Taking pictures of your wife or girlfriend in the privacy of your own home or backyard and sharing them on this forum is nothing compared to doing what pay sites like yours and others do and you just won't ever change his mind because in essence he (in his mind) is more intelligent than you and knows more about your field than you. The Horror,the Horror.
[ August 19, 2019, 10:03 AM: Message edited by: Sauvage ]
Posted by HighArchesPT (Member # 45164) on :
No one's sharing anything - that's an avatar pic which is simply related with this forum's content. I'd be surprised to find out that someone's wacking off to a 200x200 image.
Regarding it's consensuality, I don't need - neither will - to share private details of my personal life with strangers so I'll just leave it to your imagination.
Posted by Feetosopher (Member # 45909) on :
quote:Originally posted by HighArchesPT: No one's sharing anything - that's an avatar pic which is simply related with this forum's content. I'd be surprised to find out that someone's wacking off to a 200x200 image.
Regarding it's consensuality, I don't need - neither will - to share private details of my personal life with strangers so I'll just leave it to your imagination.
Sorry to disappoint you sir, but my imagination has much better topics to focus on than your private life.. Posted by Feetosopher (Member # 45909) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sauvage:
quote:Originally posted by Feetosopher:
quote:Originally posted by HighArchesPT: Nah... not even close. I don't think I could care less about what you do or don't do.
It's exactly the same here as far as you and your girlfriend are concerned, sir..
And maybe you have never used exactly the words "bunch of losers" about us old-style foot pornographers, but your posts do not exactly convey the idea that you respect us and what we are doing. But maybe it's just that I am less intelligent than you, Mr. Genius..
He doesn't have to use those words exactly to insinuate that (his view) of the old model of pay sites and their owners are some lesser human beings working for "beer money if that".(The individual I met at a foot party if this was the case working for Beer Money he'd have to be a serious alcoholic or buying the whole bar rounds on a friday night from his profit margin it was that much. Maybe that's what he does who knows and who cares)?
Taking pictures of your wife or girlfriend in the privacy of your own home or backyard and sharing them on this forum is nothing compared to doing what pay sites like yours and others do and you just won't ever change his mind because in essence he (in his mind) is more intelligent than you and knows more about your field than you. The Horror,the Horror.
I am pretty relieved at the fact that I am not the only.. "not so intelligent" dude around here.. Posted by HighArchesPT (Member # 45164) on :
quote:Originally posted by Feetosopher:
quote:Originally posted by Sauvage:
quote:Originally posted by Feetosopher:
quote:Originally posted by HighArchesPT: Nah... not even close. I don't think I could care less about what you do or don't do.
It's exactly the same here as far as you and your girlfriend are concerned, sir..
And maybe you have never used exactly the words "bunch of losers" about us old-style foot pornographers, but your posts do not exactly convey the idea that you respect us and what we are doing. But maybe it's just that I am less intelligent than you, Mr. Genius..
He doesn't have to use those words exactly to insinuate that (his view) of the old model of pay sites and their owners are some lesser human beings working for "beer money if that".(The individual I met at a foot party if this was the case working for Beer Money he'd have to be a serious alcoholic or buying the whole bar rounds on a friday night from his profit margin it was that much. Maybe that's what he does who knows and who cares)?
Taking pictures of your wife or girlfriend in the privacy of your own home or backyard and sharing them on this forum is nothing compared to doing what pay sites like yours and others do and you just won't ever change his mind because in essence he (in his mind) is more intelligent than you and knows more about your field than you. The Horror,the Horror.
I am pretty relieved at the fact that I am not the only.. "not so intelligent" dude around here..
That's usually what happens when in the middle of a debate you go Ad Hominem due to lack of argumentation.
I agree with you in the sense that doing it is not the brightest thing to do - but you can fix it yourself without that much effort. It's just a matter of self disciple.
Posted by Feetosopher (Member # 45909) on :
quote:That's usually what happens when in the middle of a debate you go Ad Hominem due to lack of argumentation.
I agree with you in the sense that doing it is not the brightest thing to do - but you can fix it yourself without that much effort. It's just a matter of self disciple. [/QB]
Well, talking about "lack of argumentation".. you still have to show facts and figures proving that old-style foot-focused adult paysites allow their webmasters to earn "beer money only", sir.. Posted by TruthBeTold (Member # 47114) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sauvage: ...model on Instagram or a model on a website. They assume that these girls owe them free content, right now right here and exactly how they ordered it like they just ordered a meal from GrubHub and they got the order wrong.
quote:Originally posted by Sauvage: most men ARE in fact desperate and WILL pay crazy amounts of money for even the slightest thing regarding their fetish. This is what keeps the social media models fed and the cycle going.
I don't know who this Sauvage guy is, but he keeps nailing it with his insights on the foot fetish effects of modern day social media!!
Social media has also changed the landscape of how everyday women participate in foot fetish groups too. There's more of them just handing out their brutally honest opinions to male fetishists, even if their opinions are unflattering. And this is not necessarily a good thing for us true/red blooded fetishists
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