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Originally posted by lambskin:
I'm from Illinois and I really take offence to the "middle states" and "savages" comment. I'm not sure what your defintion of middle states is, but it comes off in a very stuck up, "I'm better than you" attitude. Why is it that people from the east coast honestly think they are better than the rest of the country? Its pathetic, really. By the way, Obama, he's from this state, pretty sure he would win here.

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I wish babeflover would better define which states are these oh-so-terrible "middle states". I can't help but think I probably live in one of them.
 

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Posted by Footman9 (Member # 1100) on :
 
The cosmopolitan areas (hip cities with diversity) are good (for money), but those are not the people you have to convince, it's those simple folk with simple wants and needs --not neccessarily Hollywood or NYC. These are the places you have got to roll up your selves and get right down to the heart of the matter with no pretense.

Obama is new, fresh ideas and come across very well to everyone. You can't help, but like him. The media loves him. He is similar to Bill Clinton in that respect. He is a sleeper and someone to keep your eye on (don't blink).

Clinton is the been there done that candidate and the only one to have seen it from the other side(campaign trails x 2 with hubby, First Lady x 2, won NY as a non NYer). Her past blunders in politics may haunt her, but she has what Obama doesn't and that is long money. She can saturate the air waves with commercials galore. Oh, and she has Dollar Bill in her corner. Bill still can move a crowd like no other.

Edwards is not bad, but he is missing something. He needs a confident image (not a cocky one) to convince people that he can do the job. It's like there is something missing in the soup to make him really stand out.

McCain is old and comes across with nothing major for putting the country back on a solid global ground with other global powers (war isn't everything) and fixing our country's concerns. A good image with solid methods that work pays well in the long run. Also, the republicans have taken a beating.

Guiliani has been tested and turned around a crime heavy city; that is worth noting in my book. Being from the east coast (NYC) may hurt him in those rural areas. Rural people are honest hard working people who aren't up for a lot of rhetoric and BS. You can get away with that in NYC if you have style points. People have to believe and trust him on other issues (besides the war). There are other concerns out there you know.

[ February 20, 2007, 04:39 PM: Message edited by: Footman9 ]
 

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Posted by MitchC (Member # 20084) on :
 
I voted that I favor Obama most, but, as I am Democrat, if Hillary is the candidate, I would definitely vote for her over Guilani or Mccain.

Mitch
 

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Posted by AFfootdude05 (Member # 2999) on :
 
I don't know what to say about John McCain. His views today have changed considerably since he ran against Bush in 2000. First of all, John McCain was opposed to the Bush tax cuts back in 2001. Today McCain whole-heartedly is in favor of them. Also, McCain today would overturn the Roe v. Wade decision. In a 1999 interview, he expressed the opposite. He has such a strong stance on the war and feels that Bush's 21,500 trop surge wasn't enough.§If you are republican at least have the sanity to vote for Giuliani - the man has a better scope on politics than McCain. Giuliani does not support gay marriage but supports civil unions (Obama's perspective is pretty similiar) Giuliani is as honest as a politican can be. Unlike "Dubya," the former mayor of New York feels America needs someone tough, but that is also human. Bush is a pretty stubborn man in politics and won't admit a single wrong. Giuliani along with his decorated résume exerting toughness and bravery on the morning 9.11, his eight years of reducing crime in New York City, can see himself as a human being. Giuliani, on a recent Larry King Live made it bold that we will know when Giuliani would make a mistake. United States president George W. Bush, however, cannot, as he seemingly is extending our this war until the new leader takes over. It's also ashame that the Bush Administration is steering clear of using the term 'civil war' to describe the situation in Iraq.
 

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Posted by AFfootdude05 (Member # 2999) on :
 
Also, McCain dubbed Donald H. Rumseld as the worst Defense Secretary the U.S. ever had. That seems kinda outta line for him to say that. Vice President Dick Cheney wants an apology out of the Arizona senator.
 

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Posted by Sasha (Member # 1842) on :
 
As a Democrat. This is our Golden opp to take over leadership at the top.

I'm not going to get into why I think Giuliani won't be the guy, I don't think he will
The most marketable guy for the Dems I think is still Jon Edwards with O Bama as his running mate. Baby steps people, baby steps. I really think the nation can be sold on a black VP at this point. I don't think O Bama is ready to be President, yet.

However, I really believe the majority once they get behind the curtain will vote for a white man over a Black or a women.

It's a fucked up reality that I don't buy into. But, the majority of the nation I believe isnt ready.

My 2 cents
 

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Posted by MitchC (Member # 20084) on :
 
Sasha, of all the Democratic candidates, I prefer John Edwards the best. I think he is a true old time Democrat, and cares about the middle class.
The problem I see is this: Unless the primaries play out differently then one might expect, Hillary has a huge war chest of money , the Clinton machine, and Bill's braintrust behind her. The question is: Can Edwards grab momentum, away from a candidate who has such noteriety, and a team, like Hillary will?
One never knows how it will play out. I will say that whether it is Hillary or Edwards, I hope whoever the candidate is, that they put Obama on the ticket with them. He is ready to be VP, and, hopefully, when he gets some experience, can run for president, and have a good chance to win after he would serve as VP.

Mitch
 

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Posted by Sasha (Member # 1842) on :
 
If Hilary runs she will lose. How many people in the USA hate the name Clinton???

What a huge mistake it will be!
 

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Posted by AFfootdude05 (Member # 2999) on :
 
I like what Edwards's prophesy of universal health care for all Americans. There are 47 million uninsured U.S. citizens right now and I am one of them. A source to fuel universal health care, he says, would be to eliminate the Bush tax cuts. Now, Rudy Giuliani says that these tax cuts have provided fuel to our robust economy. If Americans were to be without the tax cuts what would that mean?
 

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Posted by lambskin (Member # 1542) on :
 
Another source to pay for universal health care is to eliminate or seriously cut back the profession that made Edwards a multi-millionere...and that is malpractice trial lawyers. This country will never be able to afford universal health care with the current medical malpractice system. If you look to Canada and any European country with universal health care, they don't have an overburdening malpractice system. Right now the cost of malpractice insurance is over 100K a year for many physicians because of all the needless suits and the lottery like awards handed out. Also, physicians are held to a damn near impossible standard of care, prompting the ordering of thousands of unnecessary tests in order to avoid the possibility of the lawsuit.

Also, if people want universal health care, be prepared to sacrifice. In Canada, you can be in a city of a half million people and have a heart attack and be unable to receive a cardiac catheterization immediately(the standard of care for treatment). In this country we are used to getting things and getting it now and it is not so in a country with universal health care. When I lived in Detroit, I heard of many people crossing over the boarder from Canada to get studies (CAT scans) and treatments that would take months to get in Canada.

My point is, that I think universal health care is a great idea, but will take a huge amount of change in many different areas. You can't sue individual doctors for $200 million dollars and turn around and expect them to provide low cost health care to the over 300 million people in this country. Also, be prepared to wait longer to get things done in that type of health system. Finally, Canadians pay around 40% of their income to the government for federal and providence taxes to help pay for that system. And that's most Canadians, not just the upper class.

[ March 07, 2007, 12:03 AM: Message edited by: lambskin ]
 

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Posted by FJ_HJ_lover (Member # 19322) on :
 
OOOOOOBBBBAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMAAAAAAAA

Barak openly admits to having snorted cocaine and smoked weed. This man has balls, and he has my vote.
 

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Posted by AFfootdude05 (Member # 2999) on :
 
People can't use that against him...he had written a book years back Dreams of my Father that dealt with his openness to experimenting with drugs....he shall be resolved of any of that, and now Obama even plans to stop smoking cigarettes as he embarks on his presidential campaign.
 

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Posted by luvntoes (Member # 10587) on :
 

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Originally posted by Sasha:
As a Democrat. This is our Golden opp to take over leadership at the top.

I'm not going to get into why I think Giuliani won't be the guy, I don't think he will
The most marketable guy for the Dems I think is still Jon Edwards with O Bama as his running mate. Baby steps people, baby steps. I really think the nation can be sold on a black VP at this point. I don't think O Bama is ready to be President, yet.

However, I really believe the majority once they get behind the curtain will vote for a white man over a Black or a women.

It's a fucked up reality that I don't buy into. But, the majority of the nation I believe isnt ready.

My 2 cents

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Originally posted by Sasha:
As a Democrat. This is our Golden opp to take over leadership at the top.

I'm not going to get into why I think Giuliani won't be the guy, I don't think he will
The most marketable guy for the Dems I think is still Jon Edwards with O Bama as his running mate. Baby steps people, baby steps. I really think the nation can be sold on a black VP at this point. I don't think O Bama is ready to be President, yet.

However, I really believe the majority once they get behind the curtain will vote for a white man over a Black or a women.

It's a fucked up reality that I don't buy into. But, the majority of the nation I believe isnt ready.

My 2 cents

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Edwards has no chance what so ever....hes a yes man....a follower....hes the guy that when the big italian says "hey boss should we wack this guy" Edwards says in his high piched voice "yeah boss should we wack em boss huh boss should we wack em huh huh.....hes one anoying dude.

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Originally posted by Wrinklesguy:
C'mon you guys ! You all know Cheney is going to abolish the 22nd amendment right?It will allow Bush to have a third term in the White House in what they call "extreme circumstances" LOL

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Please, please please, no more republicans!! Please no Guiliani (is no hero-he did what he was supposed to do as mayor on 9-11, was responsible for putting NYC's emergency control center right in the middle of the WTC, self promoter if there ever was one-ask his ex-wife and kids about HIS family values, has the same arrogance as george Bush plus Cheney combined).Please no Fred Thompson (sell out of Watergate-supposedly worked for the bi-partisan committee but leaked all the private case details to republicans, amazingly lazy, beholden to the far right).. Please no far right candidates behilden to Christian religious extremists who want to control everyone's lives...

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Please, no one who writes horribly constructed, run on sentences.
 

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Posted by A&F_FootDude_05 (Member # 2999) on :
 
Sorry for the poll leaving out a lot of candidates. When I set this up back in February, I selected the four I thought were the strongest at the time .New names have emerged and John McCain, expected to be one of the Republican front-runners fell flat on his face as far as finances are concerned. Maybe I should do a new poll once the primaries come around the corner. I will for sure do a updated poll when we discover who the Democratic and Republican nominees are.
 

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Posted by A&F_FootDude_05 (Member # 2999) on :
 
Sorry for the poll leaving out a lot of candidates. When I set this up back in February, I selected the four I thought were the strongest at the time .New names have emerged and John McCain, expected to be one of the Republican front-runners fell flat on his face as far as finances are concerned. Maybe I should do a new poll once the primaries come around the corner. I will for sure do a updated poll when we discover who the Democratic and Republican nominees are.
 

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Posted by footjoyboy (Member # 26478) on :
 
Who the Hell are these people here voting for a cross dressing phony like Trudi Giuliani ?

_fjb_
 

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Posted by cs (Member # 9338) on :
 
if someone was going to force me to pick from the candidates in your poll, i'd have to vote with my rifle. It's Ron Paul or bust.
 

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Posted by guitardrew (Member # 6635) on :
 

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Mitt Ramney will be the next president. I said this 1 year ago before anyone knew who he was. If I am wrong about this, it will be the first for me.

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Originally posted by grazio:
Please, please please, no more republicans!! Please no Guiliani (is no hero-he did what he was supposed to do as mayor on 9-11, was responsible for putting NYC's emergency control center right in the middle of the WTC, self promoter if there ever was one-ask his ex-wife and kids about HIS family values, has the same arrogance as george Bush plus Cheney combined).Please no Fred Thompson (sell out of Watergate-supposedly worked for the bi-partisan committee but leaked all the private case details to republicans, amazingly lazy, beholden to the far right).. Please no far right candidates behilden to Christian religious extremists who want to control everyone's lives...

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Posted by Ronar Prefect (Member # 23370) on :
 
Ron Paul is the man. I just hope if he doesn't get the nomination that he will run as a libertarian. I was going to vote libertarian again until I found out about him.
 

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Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :
 
Ron Paul certainly has the country's best interests at heart without all the B.S. and double talk the other candidates spew.He's straight up and doesn't take bribes from big business.I wouldn't mind seeing either him or Obama in the final showdown.
 

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Posted by John Michaels (Member # 4576) on :
 
I was hopin Al Gore, because he not only has all the qualifications, he has been right about nearly every issue in his career. But for some reason he'll be sitting 08 out, so I'm hopin hillary. But what I'm worried about is that now LIEberman supports McCain, once McCain loses the GOP primary he and LIEberman will run on the same ticket and drain votes from the Democrats and put the republicunts back into power.
 

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Posted by Wing-Washer (Member # 3013) on :
 
I don't particularly like politicians in general, but Mike Huckabee seems to have some good ideas and seems pretty sincere...
 

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Posted by Foot2me (Member # 6339) on :
 
For me, Hillary Clinton is the one for the Whitehouse. She has the experience, the intelligence and the forthright to get the job done.
 

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Posted by dnd3dm (Member # 27956) on :
 
I'll vote for either Edwards or Obama in the primaries. I'm suspicious and mistrustful of Ms. Clinton -- she doesn't articulate many of her policy positions, and I hate her yes votes on the war. I want to see our troops out of Iraq, and we need to finish the job in Afghanistan. Alas, it doesn't look like Edwards has much of a chance since the corporate media is screwing him out of the attention that he needs to get votes.

None of the Republicans are acceptable to me. All seem to further endanger the separation of church and state, which, in my mind, is a central pillar of our country. Every Republican seems to want to repeal Roe vs. Wade, which must not happen. McCain is too much the warmonger, and anti-choice, but he is the best of the bad lot of the GOP. Romney and Huckabee are far too religious for me, and Guliani is a slimy used car salesman, cross-dressing aside. He didn't do much anything for NYC during 9-11 except pose and look brave. It was the firefighters, police and paramedics who are the real heroes of that dark day, especially those who died, not these Republican fear-mongers and Jesus-freaks.

Oh, yeah, about Ron Paul -- he's a closeted white supremacist and KKK supporter. Google his name+"white supremacist" and see how many hits you get. I could never support anyone like that.

I voted for Obama in your poll, but if Clinton is the Dems' nominee than I will hold my nose and vote for her. I may not like her, but any progressive agenda has more chance during her presidency than it does under any Republican.

[ January 26, 2008, 01:25 PM: Message edited by: dnd3dm ]
 

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Posted by Crazy_Diamond (Member # 22956) on :
 
Absolutely Hillary! I would like to see former President Clinton as her running mate. Imagine the Clinton's in office again...4 years of prosperity.
www.HillaryClinton.com
 

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Posted by ilovefeet (Member # 1268) on :
 
Obama! Even though I'm an outsider looking in(from Canada). It just seems that he can take the America in a better direction than the rest of the candidates. It must be difficult for him running against 3 other democrats....John Edwards and Bill&Hillary.
 

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Posted by A&F_FootDude_05 (Member # 2999) on :
 
I'd say let's have Hilary be the nominee and Barack as the VP, but their tensions as of late makes me think she will select Edwards - but if we have a Hilary-Obama ticket for '08, let's see Hilary have two terms, and then Obama run in 2016 and have him govern our nation until 2024 with Hilary as his VP. That would translate to a Clinton being in the White house for 24 of 32 years. Sound unfair? Only fair game - there's been a Bush in the White House now for 20 of the last 28 years.
 

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Posted by Ronar Prefect (Member # 23370) on :
 
Gotta defend my man Ron Paul. A writer named Lew Rockwell wrote the allegedly racist articles on the basis of which Ron Paul is being accused of being a racist. The president of the Austin chapter of the NAACP has been friends with Paul for 20 years and didn't believe the words of this ghostwriter represented the beliefs of Ron Paul. He also agrees with Ron Paul on a lot of issues. I don't believe Ron Paul is racist, but, if he were, I don't think he would let it affect his determination to act in accordance with the Constitution, and the country would be better off with him as President. But he isn't a racist.
 

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Posted by A&F_FootDude_05 (Member # 2999) on :
 
Ron Paul seems to have a decent following in Michigan - as far as many people around me are concerned, but it's a matter of time until he leaves the race, only capturing between 10-20 delegates thus far.
 

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Posted by FtLckr26 (Member # 13998) on :
 
I think I'll vote for Obama.
 

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Posted by Elvzz (Member # 14178) on :
 
McCain prob won't win - he is a hero tho. and has the hottest spouse.

Obama/McCain is like JFK/Nixon- and we all know how that turned out.
 

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Posted by Klaus Hamelbach (Member # 24334) on :
 

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Originally posted by Sasha:
As a Democrat. This is our Golden opp to take over leadership at the top.

I'm not going to get into why I think Giuliani won't be the guy, I don't think he will
The most marketable guy for the Dems I think is still Jon Edwards with O Bama as his running mate. Baby steps people, baby steps. I really think the nation can be sold on a black VP at this point. I don't think O Bama is ready to be President, yet.

However, I really believe the majority once they get behind the curtain will vote for a white man over a Black or a women.

It's a fucked up reality that I don't buy into. But, the majority of the nation I believe isnt ready.

My 2 cents

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Edwards has no chance what so ever....hes a yes man....a follower....hes the guy that when the big italian says "hey boss should we wack this guy" Edwards says in his high piched voice "yeah boss should we wack em boss huh boss should we wack em huh huh.....hes one anoying dude.

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Edwards is the best chance and you'll see once the debates begin.

Obama is not ready. O bama well be a VP before he is ever a President.

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Seems like you already lost THAT bet, my dear .
On another note: Does your busy moving schedule leave you some free time to get back to our Email-discussion? It's markusrodman@gmail.com for contacting that kinky German psychologist you surely remember...
 

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Posted by little5 (Member # 26188) on :
 
Obama.
 

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Posted by ilovefeet (Member # 1268) on :
 
Obama is going thru a bit of a tough time right now with the video of his ex pastor surfacing on youtube.But if Hillary can't get her way and get Florida and Michigan to get seated at the convention then she is toast.She'll have to suck a lot of c### for that.Seriously though it seems to me that people now are making their decisions not on the viablity of the candidate but sadly on who they don't want...therefore voting against someone rather than for someone,just my 2 cents worth
 

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Posted by Ronar Prefect (Member # 23370) on :
 

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Obama is going thru a bit of a tough time right now with the video of his ex pastor surfacing on youtube.But if Hillary can't get her way and get Florida and Michigan to get seated at the convention then she is toast.She'll have to suck a lot of c### for that.Seriously though it seems to me that people now are making their decisions not on the viablity of the candidate but sadly on who they don't want...therefore voting against someone rather than for someone,just my 2 cents worth

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Yeah, that is the cowardly way out: vote for someone you don't really want just because you don't think your favorite can win. I'll vote for who I like, even if I don't think he has a whelk's chance in a supernova.
 

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Posted by sofatater (Member # 4209) on :
 
Hillary is on a power trip. She's an admitted socialist and frankly she scares the hell out of me! This country needs a leader that will fix our economy and do the bidding of "The People" not follow a personal agenda.
 

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Posted by SOLESQUIRTERS (Member # 29802) on :
 
i agree. i also feel like is she wins,this country will have been led by 2 names only, for the last 20 years. bush or clinton.
I ALWAYS TELL THE LADIES"SHAVE YOUR PRESIDENT BUSH OR THERE WILL BE NO HILLARY CLIT LICKIN!"
if not for me, do it for your country. =)
 

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Posted by A&F_FootDude_05 (Member # 2999) on :
 
Actually, solessquirters if Hilary wins come November, there will be a period of at least 32 years where there have been either a Bush or Clinton in the White House(if Hilary finishes four years following a win)

1980-88: George H.W. Bush as Vice President
1989-93: George H.W. Bush as President
1993-00: Bill Clinton as President
2001-08: George W. Bush as President
2009-12: Hilary Clinton as President

Something tells me our founding fathers wouldn't be down with the name repetition.
 

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Posted by Sir Mike (Member # 1922) on :
 
hilary
 

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Posted by footgirl0226 (Member # 29201) on :
 
if Hilary wins... I am moving to London to become a foot goddess!
 

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Posted by Sir Mike (Member # 1922) on :
 
good bye
 

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Posted by bison4me (Member # 21530) on :
 
Footgirl I think you'll be in states at least another 4 more years. Obama!
 

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