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Posted by ucflyeah (Member # 32674) on :

Are you sorry you voted for Obama one year into his presidency?

Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :

lol..this will start a few fires for sure.

Posted by Keyfeet (Member # 27313) on :

lol, how quickly we forget about how much we hated bush.

Posted by Spruce314 (Member # 35412) on :

Or quite possibly before its all said and done that Bush wasn't such a bad president after all.

Posted by chaz36 (Member # 21412) on :

Lets pay some attention to the facts folks. I tried to advise everyone against Obama, obviously people are now figuring it out. Here is one of Obamas latest on the economy and the truth is as follows:

In 2008, Bush ran a deficit of $485 billion. By the time the fiscal year started on October 1, 2008, it had gone up by another $100 billion due to increased recession-related spending and depressed revenues. So it was about $600 billion at the start of the fiscal crisis. That was the real Bush deficit.

But when the fiscal crisis hit, Bush had to pass TARP in the final months of his presidency which cost $700 billion. Under the federal budget rules, a loan and a grant are treated the same. So the $700 billion pushed the deficit -- officially -- up to $1.3 trillion. But not really. The $700 billion was a short term loan. $500 billion of it has already been repaid.

So what was the real deficit Obama inherited? The $600 billion deficit Bush was running plus the $200 billion of TARP money that probably won't be repaid (mainly AIG and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac). That totals $800 billion. That was the real deficit Obama inherited.

Then...he added $300 billion in his stimulus package, bringing the deficit to $1.1 trillion. This $300 billion was, of course, totally qualitatively different from the TARP money in that it was spending not lending. It would never be paid back. Once it was out the door, it was gone. Other spending and falling revenues due to the recession pushed the final numbers for Obama's 2009 deficit up to $1.4 trillion.

So, effectively, Obama came close to doubling the deficit.

Obama seems not to understand that the deficit is the jobs problem. To add to the deficit in the hope of creating more jobs is an oxymoron. Additional deficit spending just crowds out small businesses trying to borrow money to create jobs and consumers seeking credit to buy cars and homes.

Soon, when the Fed stops printing money and we have to borrow real funds from real lenders, the high deficit will send interest rates soaring, further retarding growth and creating a cost-push inflation.

The interest rate we are now paying for the debt -- about 3.5% -- is totally artificial and based on the massive injection of money supply created by the purchase of mortgage backed securities by an obliging Federal Reserve. Once these injections of currency/heroin stop, the rate will more than double, sending our debt service spending into the stratosphere. Once we had to choose between guns and butter. Now we will have to choose between guns and butter on the one hand and paying our debt service on the other.

Obama's program of fiscal austerity in this new budget is a joke. He freezes very selected budget items while he shovels out new spending in his stimulus packages. If he wanted to lower the deficit, here's what he could do:

1. Cancel the remaining $500 billion of stimulus spending and

2. Cancel the $300 billion of spending in stimulus II.

Those are the real numbers.

Posted by chaz36 (Member # 21412) on :

See my note above and on the poll, I didn't vote for Obama even though McCain was not much of an alternative. I feel sorry for those that did vote for him though!

Posted by Toetapper (Member # 6473) on :

Kudos on your analysis and number-crunching, chaz36. I couldn't see the results of the poll as I'm disqualified - I wouldn't have voted for Obama if it cost me my nuts; I have spoken to a few Obama voters and they are beginning to figure out how badly they have been duped.

Of course, your suggestions for a remedy are good ones, perhaps even obvious, but, sadly, they will be ignored by those who know better how to spend our money than we do.

Posted by GQguy (Member # 16534) on :

Fickle Americans and their damned partisanship. We spend FAR more energy fighting one another than we do advancing our country while the "underdeveloped" countries work as a unit to develop themselves. This is the true tragedy we're giving to our children. Damn Dems, Damn Republicans.....while the chinese and indians are advancing ahead of us.

Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :

GQ: I actually agree with that statement, so true!

Posted by Nylon Toe Sucker (Member # 21491) on :

U Can't blame me, I didn't vote for him, I knew he was just the flavor of the month, flash in the pan, waaaaaaay wet behind the ears. Everybody just bought into the idea of voting the first black man president, they had no clue or I guess they didn't care what he stood for, they just went with the hope and change agenda. So now we will just have to put up with it until his first term is over, because that's all he going to get, can you say Jimmy Carter.LOL

Posted by Keyfeet (Member # 27313) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Wrinklesguy:
GQ: I actually agree with that statement, so true!

are you 2 craaaazy? you would really want to live in china? you probably cant even get this website there.

and you really think the reason we voted for obama was b/c he black? really? and i bet that made it sooooo easy for him to win, right?

the reason we voted for obama was b/c WE HATED BUSH! even republicans hated bush. his administration simply ruined our economy. and to say that was a mistake after 8 years of bush is just simply incomprehensible.

Posted by little5 (Member # 26188) on :

The only reason that Obama hasn't accomplished more in his first year is because the republicans have been obstructionists all the way. No matter what it is that the president wants, their against it. If Obama jumped into a raging river and saved Rush Limbaugh's mother from certain death, he'd find a way to say that he should have let her drown.

I'm not letting the democrats off the hook either. They have a majority in both houses and they need to learn how to do whatever is necessary to get things done. They need to grow a spine. If the republicans fillibuster then let them. Let them stand there and read the phone book til their blue in the face and see how well that goes over with the people.

Is the Obama presidency perfect? No, no administration ever will be. Is it far and away better than a 70+ year old republican whose answer to everything is more tax cuts for the rich? If that 70+ year old should die is it far and away better than having a stupid bimbo who didn't know who we were fighting in World War 2 as president? I don't think I even need to answer that.

Posted by Spruce314 (Member # 35412) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Keyfeet:

quote:
Originally posted by Wrinklesguy:
GQ: I actually agree with that statement, so true!
are you 2 craaaazy? you would really want to live in china? you probably cant even get this website there.

and you really think the reason we voted for obama was b/c he black? really? and i bet that made it sooooo easy for him to win, right?

the reason we voted for obama was b/c WE HATED BUSH! even republicans hated bush. his administration simply ruined our economy. and to say that was a mistake after 8 years of bush is just simply incomprehensible.

Rewind to the start of 2006 my friend. Oil was less than $50, unemployment was way less than 10% and the economy was rolling along. That was after 6 years of Bush/Cheney and and a good many years of republican majority in both houses. Nancy and Harry did more damage than Bush ever dreamed of.

Obama shot us a line of bull and many people fell for it.

Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :

KeyFeet: So you're saying you wanted "anyone but Bush" right? So if he had horns and a forked tail under the suit coat you would have still voted for him as long as Bush was out? Obstructionists is a great cop-out, they have the majority {or had} and could have done something but failed. Now when November rolls around they're all gone, mark my words.Too bad the new boss is same as the old one..we're doomed until we can bring back some common morality back into the policies of the gov't that everyone can agree with.

GQ and I were not saying we wanted to live in China..maybe stop reading the invisible lines and adding to the commentary. Those 2 nations are far ahead in production than the USA right now due to outsourcing and bad economy. The bickering between the 2 parties is probably by design by the real people in charge to keep the real issues blurry and so nothing can get accomplished it's fairly obvious.

Posted by den2 (Member # 20517) on :

Can't we all just get along. [Smile]

I think it's time for us people of this great nation to overthrow the ENTIRE government and get back to the basics that our founding fathers laid down for us. Enough of the arguing and all of these tons of lupolls in our laws and government,it's has gotten WAY out of hand. The constitution starts with "We the people" It's time that us "people" take back over and fix what our government (all political parties) has so obviously fucked up! I'm not calling for mass chaos but I think the time has come to strip the reigns from these power hungry morons. I fought for this great country of ours and got to see some crazy governmental bullshit that the general public doesn't get to see, so believe me when I say the time has coming sooner than later. [Mad]

Posted by mike24 (Member # 31430) on :

That the problem with polls like this, you are asking people 1 year into a 4 year term whether they are sorry they voted for Obama in office. It's not a fair question. That's like asking if you like the way a house looks if it's only 25% complete. Every President has bad moments. I remember Reagan's approval rating being in the 40's before it rose again. Same with Clinton. Oh by the way Mr. economist, did you know that Regan double the national deficit? Same with bush? Or do you even care??

Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :

Obama's numbers are the lowest {the quickest} of ANY US president ever..you can't argue with that. He will literally have to save the world to bring it around at this point. But..maybe that is what his handlers have in store, I guess we'll see.

Posted by temp1234 (Member # 33411) on :

I don't pity the guy who has to clean up George's mess at all. That's an instant crutch to be given. The intelligent thing would be to see if he can fix these problems in his term and then judge his capabilities or even if he can fix them.

I'm neutral on the matter but it's hilarious, especially as an american living abroad looking in, of the madness engulfing this situation. He's been in power for what, a year? If Obama didn't get in would these armchair opponents be making the exact same claims about the other guy? Heavens no.

Posted by den2 (Member # 20517) on :

Ya know He (Obama) did say when he was campaigning that this mess wasn't going to be fixed overnight and that it would get worse before it got better, but I guess SOME people didn't hear that due to a selective hearing disorder. [Smile]

Posted by lambskin (Member # 1542) on :

The President also said that unemployment would never get above 8.5% and that the only way to save the economy was to pass an $800 billion stimulus bill in a matter of a couple of days in which I'm sure most of our legislatures did not read the whole thing. Now he wants billions more for a "jobs" bill, (ie more stimulus). While I agree that 1 year out of 4 is not enough to judge his presidency, I think that many people are tired of his policies which spend more money and put the US in more debt than any of the previous 43 presidents combined.

Now I know the standard rebuttel is its all Bush's fault, he has to clean up his mess, etc, but look at what started the recession. It was the collapse of the housing market. This was in part (a big part) caused by the governement forcing banks to ease lending restrictions and getting into the business themselves via Fannie and Freddie. These were not all Bush policies. The housing market collapse was not caused by a few tax cuts and the wars. It was the federal governement getting involved, the banks, and ultimately stupid people who thinkg that they deserve and should own more than they can afford. People inflating the price of an 80 year old, 1500 sq foot crap house to $800,000 because its in California, created that mess that lead to the housing collapse and recession.

While the President does deserve more time, I do think he needs to change some of his policies. One last example I will give is cap and trade. How the hell do you expect to grow the economy and encourage businesses to hire by adding new taxes on the cost of energy? It doesn't make sense.

Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :

Lambskin: The general public doesn't know the true macro-economic figures so don't expect that last post to resonate with some people, but it's understandable because the mainstream news agencies don't report the real numbers and still paint a rosie picture of recovery lol We're not out of the woods yet.

Posted by Toetapper (Member # 6473) on :

How have Republicans been "obstructionist" when the Democrat party has had a Super-majority in the Senate and an unassailable majority in the House? The Dems have had the opportunity to do anything they wished for the last year and the Republicans didn't have the numbers to "obstruct" a thing. Anyone who would contend otherwise has been letting Keith Ohlberman & Chris Matthews do their thinking for them.

As for blaming George Bush: A year in office is ample time for Obama to do serious damage on his own. Further, keep in mind that in his brief tenure as a Senator, Obama voted FOR every Bush proposal including that abomination of a bill, TARP. Blaming Bush just doesn't cut it; it is a whining child's way of trying to shift responsibility away from the one who truly deserves the blame.

Posted by GQguy (Member # 16534) on :

They're all the same. Don't you guys see? What has Obama done differently that Bush wouldn't have done this year? What has Obama done differently than McCain would have done? Nothing! It's all the same BS.

They're putting the wool over our eyes by creating a mini civil war to prevent us from seeing what is really happening.

Do you really think Bush wouldn't have approved another stimulus? He already had two BIG one's, why not.

This blame game is stupid. We voted these guys in. WE Americans are to blame. The truth is i'm not sure that the events of the past 8 years wouldn't have happened too much differently under another administration.

Posted by bison4me (Member # 21530) on :

As an Independent its funny to see Republicans stand to the side and criticize the Administration and at the same do absolutely nothing. Its easy to blame, smear, and point fingers, not one have I heard one roll their sleeves and say OK, lets tackle this thing, I suggest we do this or that. I work on The Hill, so I hear both sides of the isle every day.

GQguy I have to agree with you, living in washington, the tide is extremely bitter on both sides. While I agree with some of the platform issues of both parties, the Republicans frustrate me with this racial undertone that they spew in their rhetoric. Meanwhile the democrats frustrate me with their, "I just cut your arm off...no you didn't, my arm is fine" approach. When things don't work just admit it and move on to something that does. That was the problem with the last administration, they took down a whole country just to prove a point... a point they were wrong about to begin with.

Its utterly frustrating, but no I don't think it was a mistake in voting Obama as President. Bush (his Administration) probably set this country back for at least 2 decades so the next couple of Presidents have a serious chore on their hands. The successes and failures of this government I think will have to be measured in the totality of the next four administrations, not in the first year of one.

Posted by Five For Feet (Member # 33596) on :

Nope.

Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :

Let's be honest - he was voted in for TOTALLY the wrong reasons: because he's black; that's the be-all and end-all.

Yes, he's an excellent orator, but I doubt the whatever percentage of (mostly) black people who never have voted until that election were particularly listening to what he was saying. What you lot can't seem to get into your heads is the president is kinda inconsequential in terms of power - he's not the "king" of the country: you've got the Congress. President means shitting fucking ass-all.

Having said all that, were I American, I would have voted for him and not looked back. The idiots that vote on appearance and not politics were making groups on Facebook and all sorts stating if Obama doesn't get in office, they will riot throughout America. Pathetic really, but there ya go...

Rather have a guy who can't do anything and no riots than the same with riots. Plus he *did* start in the middle of an economic crisis...who's to say he hasn't lessened the blow that would have happened under Republican rule?

Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :

quote:
Originally posted by mike24:
That the problem with polls like this, you are asking people 1 year into a 4 year term whether they are sorry they voted for Obama in office. It's not a fair question. That's like asking if you like the way a house looks if it's only 25% complete. Every President has bad moments. I remember Reagan's approval rating being in the 40's before it rose again. Same with Clinton. Oh by the way Mr. economist, did you know that Regan double the national deficit? Same with bush? Or do you even care??

Well no, he has stated "A year in" how do you feel about it?...the answer may well be different in 3 years, but he wasn't trying to trick anyone so don't pick up on irrelevancies and state your opinion or don't state anything.

Posted by Hal (Member # 3484) on :

quote:
The idiots that vote on appearance and not politics were making groups on Facebook and all sorts stating if Obama doesn't get in office, they will riot throughout America.

Internet nerds who hang out on Facebook don`t start riots. [Laugh]

-Hal-

Posted by sandal lover Tim (Member # 12354) on :

OBAMA - One Big Ass MISTAKE America!!

Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Hal:

quote:
The idiots that vote on appearance and not politics were making groups on Facebook and all sorts stating if Obama doesn't get in office, they will riot throughout America.
Internet nerds who hang out on Facebook don`t start riots.

-Hal-

Black American ghettos do...

Posted by Keyfeet (Member # 27313) on :

well, it looks like he accomplished his biggest goal in less than half of his first term.

Posted by Spruce314 (Member # 35412) on :

It didn't take this long to accomplish his biggest goal. To break the US.

Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :

Thank Goodness the states have the final say so..to court they shall go.

Posted by chaz36 (Member # 21412) on :

I clearly laid out the facts in my first post with regards to Obama's deficit numbers and they are fact and indisputable. Quit with the Bush got us in a mess bullshit! I didn't much like some things he did, however, Bush didn't cause the current mess (hint: read my damn post). When people stand up in November then you will see change you can believe in!

Posted by DeTrOiT (Member # 37598) on :

It doesn't matter who the presidents is...THEY ALL WORK FOR THE SAME BOSS!...It's not about Democrats or Republicans...It is however about BIG BUSINESS(Corporations/Lobbyist) and what their true agenda is...It's funny how they(FAKE ASS POLITICIANS) would have us(citizens) think that they have our best interest at heart when they make policy...Bush fucked up REALLY BAD.. OBAMA will do worse and WE ALL WILL SUFER...The only people who won't SUFER is BOG BUSINESS...We need a party that is truly for THE PEOPLE...It will never happen because YOUR LEADERS AND PARTIES are designed to make you THINK that they are fighting on your behalf...And we fall for it...Now we have the SCOTUS(not exactly sure what this acronym means but) rules...This means that BIG BUSINESS is now going to run for offices under this rule...How can we, THE PEOPLE, fight that of we are stuck in the OLD ASS US AGAINST THEM MENTALITY...How can a citizen win against a CORPORATION...We can't!...And BIG CORPORATIONS KNOW THIS...

Posted by DeTrOiT (Member # 37598) on :

Come on man...BUSH WAS TERRIBLE...I don't think that we can compare the 2 and say Bush WASN'T THAT BAD...the problems were created for us to beg for they solution that they want us to have...It's funny how we think of Bush and Obama as adversaries and we take sides...WHEN IN ACTUALITY THEY ARE SOMEWHERE HAVING A BEER TOGETHER...While laughing at the citizens(slaves)..All while PURPOSELY STRIPPING AWAY OUR LIBERTIES....Bush nor Obama gives a shit about us...WHITE OR BLACK...HOW BIG AND POWERFUL IS YOUR CORPORATION...That's all that they care about...WAKE UP AMERICA...PLEASE WAKE UP!

quote:
Originally posted by Spruce314:
Or quite possibly before its all said and done that Bush wasn't such a bad president after all.

Posted by chaz36 (Member # 21412) on :

You know what I can't figure out? Why the hell we have a political forum on a foot fetish website in the first place! Look here, I tried to explain it, nobody reads it or understands it so the hell with it. We are fucked for now. Go to the polls in November and replace these barnicle men and women we have in congress so we can stop the madness involved in spending and get jobs back in control. Jobs and National security is the issue, nothing else! BTW, you want to know why health costs are bad, same reason education is, its called illegal aliens folks. If we had just controlled the border when it counted, 30 years ago, we would not be having some of the issues we do now! That is a fact.

Posted by chaz36 (Member # 21412) on :

One other note before I let this go. Just who the hell do you people think creates all the jobs? Guess what, it is not the guy with no money! If you want to create jobs and encourage consumer spending you must provide incentives to the people who create the jobs in the first place. Guess what folks, that means keep taxes low and keep the fucking government out of the economy. Let business fail when they fuck up and guess what? some other business will replace it. Jee wizz people wake the hell up and check out the facts, quit believing the bullshit you see in the mainstream media and go to the gov sites and check the damn facts please. I'm not that impressed with Bush and certainly not Obama. Revenues to the fed rose at historic rates under Bush, you know why? Tax cuts, thats why. When business owners create jobs, people get put to work and guess what? AHHHH, they pay taxes to the fed!! When you don't control federal spending those boosts in revenue don't make headlines do they? Guess who was spending that money? Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and their band of merry marauders since 2006! Fuckers have not done anything right for the last 4 years. You must vote in November to replace these idiots!! Doesn't make much of a difference who the President is (example in Clinton). We must put new blood in congress (not lawyers, not the same lame individuals) and seek term limits on congressional positions. Enough bullshit, lets take our country back from these idiots!

Posted by Toetapper (Member # 6473) on :

I share your profound frustration, chaz36, I keep trying to explain the very simple truths of Economics 101 and I often feel as though I am talking to a wall.

There's an old saying that "you can't reason someone out of a position that they haven't been reasoned into". Liberalism just isn't reasonable, it's all about "feeling" and "compassion" and, that hideous Marxist phrase, "social justice"; somehow these people seem to genuinely believe that the government knows better how to run their lives and spend their money than they do.

Conservatives really missed an opportunity over that criminal Health Care Bill; they should simply kept hammering home that it is going to be administered by the IRS. Do people love the annual tax-time so much that they want the IRS to be involved in their lives every damn day?

As a number of touchy-feely Obama voters of my acquaintance begin to comprehend this they are slowly coming to the conclusion that they have been duped. I, too, encourage people to vote this November and fire the criminals who have bankrupted our country.

Just a final note: though Bush may have had his fiscal faults, Obama (in slightly more than a year) is four times as bad; he has quadrupled our national debt!

Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :

Crickets from the Democrat camp at Wu's...lol Even my roomates are fed up and scared at what "hope and change" has become and they loved Obama.

Posted by Five For Feet (Member # 33596) on :

Geez. Look, just ride it out like we had to with (not so bad) Bush in office for 8 years. It will all change eventually, as it is cyclical just like everything else. Eventually, Republicans/Conservatives will be back in control and you can go back to thinking everything's OK with the world again But for now...........

Posted by chaz36 (Member # 21412) on :

Let me be even clearer on this. It is the idea that we should "ride it out" that is the problem. Some people watch things happen, some people make things happen and some people wonder what the fuck happened! Which one are you? Toetapper made a clear and execellent point above, quote: "somehow these people seem to genuinely believe that the government knows better how to run their lives and spend their money than they do." Do they? I think not, the only thing the government has run well is the USPS. Ride it out isn't the answer. Every United States citizen should get involved, educate themself on the constitution and the legislation involved in government affairs and apply what they understand to the issues and judge for themselves where they stand. .

Posted by Five For Feet (Member # 33596) on :

Spare me. So if US citizens get involved, educate themselves on the constitution, etc., etc., then they would/should arrive at the same conclusions as you?? I hate to disappoint you. You and Toetapper can continue to pat yourselves on the back about your analysis and figures (that basically exonerate an 8 YEAR Bush administration of any current problems with our economy, hmmmm), but at the end of the day, Obama is at the helm and the Dems have control. Why? 'Cause it's a democracy, and the people have spoken. I didn't like the direction Bush/Cheney were leading our country, and enough people felt the same way when it came time to vote. In the meantime, I had to "ride it out" whether I was watching things happen, making things happen, whatever. If enough people feel the way you do in November and 2012, then you'll get your wish. We'll see.

Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :

Everything is Bush's fault..even that flat tire on your car or the the puddle you stepped in..LOL! So Obamma gets a free pass til 2012?2016? when does he ever become accountable for anything..ever?

Posted by the_foot_fetishist (Member # 30029) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Wrinklesguy:
Everything is Bush's fault..even that flat tire on your car or the the puddle you stepped in..LOL! So Obamma gets a free pass til 2012?2016? when does he ever become accountable for anything..ever?

You're right. That flat tire WAS his fault. So was hurricane Katrina. The Superdome in New Orleans is the only stadium that the Republicans know how to fill up.

That earthquake in Chile? Yep, Bush was behind it. While you guys complain for no reason, I'm going to go out and fuck Ann Coulter. She'll turn into a liberal in a snap of a finger.

Posted by Patrick (Member # 1169) on :

My views:

I can't stand political parties. Can't we just have a human being/common sense party where we combine the ideas of being human beings and having common sense? Would be an amazing thing.

We won't manufacture in this country because it's cheaper elsewhere and elsewhere doesn't have all the regulations we have (but as long as the USA isn't the one putting out the polluntants and working people too much and paying them too little, it's okay, right?).