Thought I'd start a thread to keep track of this clowns approval numbers, dumb statements, lies, and anything else that the mainstream refuses to report. I can only give a bit of energy to this topic so any help would be most welcome (from the other 4 or 5 conservatives that actually visit Wu's).
It is Grand, We the People have the right to {pardon the expression} hold our elected leaders' feet to the fire if we don't like what they are doing. I love the snide undertones of your post..clever.
Posted by diamond johny (Member # 27586) on :
quote:Originally posted by Wrinklesguy: It is Grand, We the People have the right to {pardon the expression} hold our elected leaders' feet to the fire if we don't like what they are doing. I love the snide undertones of your post..clever.
I for one didn't vote for that socialist POS. But it appears he's blowing off Arlington on Monday to go to his shit-hole home town Chicago but will be back in time for a visit with Paul McCartney! What a slap in the face to all Veterans & their families. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/05/obama-will-use-memorial-weeken.html?wprss=44 Posted by Fwrinkledsoles (Member # 101) on :
What about the other 43 POS for instance Ronald Reagan didn't go to Arlington his first year in office and so did the first Bush. Learn your history, diamond johny is a good reason the other 43 POS had a head start in making people like you the people. I also didn't vote and have voted since 1972. What's your point? This site is for people who enjoy women feet and not a political site.
Posted by diamond johny (Member # 27586) on :
quote:Originally posted by Fwrinkledsoles: What about the other 43 POS for instance Ronald Reagan didn't go to Arlington his first year in office and so did the first Bush. Learn your history, diamond johny is a good reason the other 43 POS had a head start in making people like you the people. I also didn't vote and have voted since 1972. What's your point? This site is for people who enjoy women feet and not a political site.
quote:What's your point? This site is for people who enjoy women feet and not a political site.
This section of Wu's is titled "Politics" in case you didn't see it before.
quote:Ronald Reagan didn't go to Arlington his first year in office and so did the first Bush.
Reagan was at an economic summit & Bush was in a tough re-election campaign. W Bush went to the ceremony in Normandy. None of them went to their home town to play golf.
Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :
If anything he should be swabbing the poop deck of the BP oil rig to look busy in service to Us..since, America hired him..and not to play golf.
Posted by markn (Member # 13818) on :
The honeymoon is over. Don't be discouraged. Reality stares a lot of American Idol fans in the face about now.
Posted by GQguy (Member # 16534) on :
quote:Originally posted by Wrinklesguy: It is Grand, We the People have the right to {pardon the expression} hold our elected leaders' feet to the fire if we don't like what they are doing. I love the snide undertones of your post..clever.
Clever? Yes. Undertones? Uh huh. Snide? Not so much.
Holding our leaders accountable? When was the last time that really happened? It happens in the military, civilian leadership however is a whole other story. Illegal wars, rampant debt, fatalities in the 100s of thousands how are they held accountable save for losing an election? Last time I saw an attempt at accountability was trying to immpeach a president for lying about a blowjob.
As for freedom I was initially remarking on....I don't see it regarding our elected officials. I think they're all the same. I figured with the new administration they'd reign in the oil companies that were allowed to run rampant under the previous administration. Conflict of interest: Haliburton was one of the chief contractors that built the leaking well. I can't say if McCain won for instance things with this crisis would be any different. I can't say it be worse. I'd assume it'd be the same.
And for the last undertone....I don't like disrespect of officials elected by the American people. I respect/uphold their decisions with my life literally. I don't care if you're calling Bush or Obama a clown IMHO it's not cool. By all means and the with the utmost passion discredit and disagree with their policies however. However calling presidents clowns, is very much within your right as Americans and thats cool. Doesn't mean one should do it IMHO.
[ June 02, 2010, 05:43 PM: Message edited by: GQguy ]
Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :
So you're saying you would jump off a bridge for the president if he asked you to? Screw that, but..yeah they're all the same and we really can't do much but vote all the incumbants out in Novemeber and try again.
Posted by GQguy (Member # 16534) on :
quote:Originally posted by Wrinklesguy: So you're saying you would jump off a bridge for the president if he asked you to? Screw that, but..yeah they're all the same and we really can't do much but vote all the incumbants out in Novemeber and try again.
The decisions of the American people.
Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :
Either that or storm Washington with ..ahem.."pitchforks"...u know.
Posted by ucflyeah (Member # 32674) on :
This CLOWN is finally being recognized as the jokester he really is. I absolutely love it!
PS. I love how it was ok to call Pres Bush every name in the book but when I call The Savior a clown people are slightly offended.
Posted by -cfg- (Member # 13863) on :
It was never and is not okay to call any president any name in any book. At least respect the office even if you do not respect the man's politics.
Posted by Robotron2084 (Member # 33263) on :
quote:Originally posted by -cfg-: It was never and is not okay to call any president any name in any book. At least respect the office even if you do not respect the man's politics.
Agreed.
Posted by ozkar (Member # 13264) on :
the point of a democracy is that after the election instead of sitting back and complaining/defending like everyone does we are supposed to continue to work with and guide whoever won in a civilized manner toward the greater good.
politicians are always on campaign because "we the people" only exert our self-governing rights during elections. after which we become either complainers or defenders for a government which has no other option other than to operate by themselves in a vacuum. we should be offering constructive direction constantly to our representatives. Solutions to problems, offering our services and volunteer efforts if needed, regardless of if we agree with their views. That is how we have control of government in our system. By participating for real, not just bitching about things, defending against bitching, displaying anger, displaying praise. we have to DO things.
Posted by Robotron2084 (Member # 33263) on :
quote:Originally posted by ozkar: the point of a democracy is that after the election instead of sitting back and complaining/defending like everyone does we are supposed to continue to work with and guide whoever won in a civilized manner toward the greater good.
politicians are always on campaign because "we the people" only exert our self-governing rights during elections. after which we become either complainers or defenders for a government which has no other option other than to operate by themselves in a vacuum. we should be offering constructive direction constantly to our representatives. Solutions to problems, offering our services and volunteer efforts if needed, regardless of if we agree with their views. That is how we have control of government in our system. By participating for real, not just bitching about things, defending against bitching, displaying anger, displaying praise. we have to DO things.
Well said Ozkar! Posted by ucflyeah (Member # 32674) on :
quote:Originally posted by Robotron2084:
quote:Originally posted by -cfg-: It was never and is not okay to call any president any name in any book. At least respect the office even if you do not respect the man's politics.
Agreed.
Did you guys watch the news when Bush was in office? Did you talk to people around your town? Did you listen to what they said about the man?
How on earth can you come with this crap now after I had to listen to Bush get SLAMMED for 8 years and called EVERY NAME IN THE BOOK? Now, because Mr. One Term is in office, it's not ok to call the president "a clown"?
I just don't understand gentlemen. Just don't understand.
Posted by Robotron2084 (Member # 33263) on :
I am in the military and we are forbidden to publicly criticize the commander-in-chief. I believe People should use discretion when exercising their rights to free speech.
That said I know that President Bush was not a popular president and I did not agree with all of his policies. I did each a "happy medium" by acknowledging that even the "best" president is not perfect and simply moved on. Perhaps you should as well?
Posted by ucflyeah (Member # 32674) on :
Fair enough. Onward we march!
Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :
Neither president worked for the people..only the armed service members do that. Both presidents were puppets who work for many other interests than the people, don't be fooled. If you aren't allowed to say anything bad because you are in the service, fine..but we can and we will.
Posted by ilikesoftpeds (Member # 9269) on :
quote:Originally posted by Wrinklesguy: Neither president worked for the people..only the armed service members do that. Both presidents were puppets who work for many other interests than the people, don't be fooled. If you aren't allowed to say anything bad because you are in the service, fine..but we can and we will.
Best post in this thread! Posted by Robotron2084 (Member # 33263) on :
quote:Originally posted by Wrinklesguy: Neither president worked for the people..only the armed service members do that. Both presidents were puppets who work for many other interests than the people, don't be fooled. If you aren't allowed to say anything bad because you are in the service, fine..but we can and we will.
Agreed we are all "servants" serving one "master" or another. I am not saying do not say anything bad, juts use some discretion.
Posted by Spruce314 (Member # 35412) on :
Noticed over the weekend Obama was on vacation again. Is it just me, or does he have the record for number of vacations taken while in office?
Posted by Robotron2084 (Member # 33263) on :
quote:Originally posted by Spruce314: Noticed over the weekend Obama was on vacation again. Is it just me, or does he have the record for number of vacations taken while in office?
Or maybe the media seems to cover everyone of them?
Posted by GQguy (Member # 16534) on :
quote:Originally posted by Robotron2084:
quote:Originally posted by Spruce314: Noticed over the weekend Obama was on vacation again. Is it just me, or does he have the record for number of vacations taken while in office?
Or maybe the media seems to cover everyone of them?
The current President doesn't have a private secluded ranch. And he looks good with his shirt off. He's got two adorable daughters. And half of America hates him regardless of what he does. So they'll always be people willing to read about his vacations. Interesting....what do you do when you haven't had a day off in a month? Anyone ever been there? 100k troops brought home. Oil spill fixed. Time to rest up and fix this economy.
Posted by Spruce314 (Member # 35412) on :
Funny, somehow I am missing the red cape. Fixed the oil spill? He sat on his hands for 45 days. Iraq? He has done nothing to get it where it is today.
Yeah, guess I'm that half that just doesn't like him. LOL
Posted by Robotron2084 (Member # 33263) on :
quote:Originally posted by GQguy:
quote:Originally posted by Robotron2084:
quote:Originally posted by Spruce314: Noticed over the weekend Obama was on vacation again. Is it just me, or does he have the record for number of vacations taken while in office?
Or maybe the media seems to cover everyone of them?
The current President doesn't have a private secluded ranch. And he looks good with his shirt off. He's got two adorable daughters. And half of America hates him regardless of what he does. So they'll always be people willing to read about his vacations. Interesting....what do you do when you haven't had a day off in a month? Anyone ever been there? 100k troops brought home. Oil spill fixed. Time to rest up and fix this economy.
I was recently home on leave and I got to observe the mean spirit vibe that has been going around. It makes me glad I am in Germany, but concerned that I may have to return to the States one day. I do not think President Obama (or Bush) for that matter is responsible for it either.
Posted by coqui78 (Member # 9702) on :
quote:Originally posted by Spruce314: Noticed over the weekend Obama was on vacation again. Is it just me, or does he have the record for number of vacations taken while in office?
Look at that, both Bushes and Reagan had more vacation days on their first year than Obama, bet you were bitching up a storm then too?
Posted by Spruce314 (Member # 35412) on :
Well, guess I was wrong. Like I've said before, history is non-partisan.
Posted by Spruce314 (Member # 35412) on :
quote:Originally posted by coqui78:
quote:Originally posted by Spruce314: Noticed over the weekend Obama was on vacation again. Is it just me, or does he have the record for number of vacations taken while in office?
Look at that, both Bushes and Reagan had more vacation days on their first year than Obama, bet you were bitching up a storm then too?
To answer your question, I was not. In my humble opinion those men and I will include Bill Clinton were not trying to destroy the country as it would seem Obama and his cronies are.
Posted by hollabac85 (Member # 22042) on :
How is Obama destroying the country? Could bring some facts to back-up your opinion.
Posted by coqui78 (Member # 9702) on :
quote:Originally posted by Spruce314:
quote:Originally posted by coqui78:
quote:Originally posted by Spruce314: Noticed over the weekend Obama was on vacation again. Is it just me, or does he have the record for number of vacations taken while in office?
Look at that, both Bushes and Reagan had more vacation days on their first year than Obama, bet you were bitching up a storm then too?
To answer your question, I was not. In my humble opinion those men and I will include Bill Clinton were not trying to destroy the country as it would seem Obama and his cronies are.
There is simply nothing that can be done to combat this type of delusion. Obama has had one of the most successful presidencies in over 100 years, he's pulled our country from the brink of financial disaster and prevented what could have been the worse depression our country has ever faced while at the same time passing much needed health care and financial reform all in his first two years and this is the kind of insanity from the opposition he has to deal with.
Posted by Spruce314 (Member # 35412) on :
Didn't you mean one of the most corrupt presidencies in over 100 years? Why does he have that team of lawyers keeping his past secret? Something to hide?
Fact: Obama and the dems passed health-care reform that most people didn't want. Recently my dad who is 80 almost died as a result of Obama's crackdown on Medicare fraud. That came from the doctor @ the hospital. They could only admit him if he met several criteria on a list. Congress and the president have their own health plan. Wonder why they don't want this wonderful one they passed for us?
Fact: Record deficits which saved or only created more government jobs. The deficit this year is triple last years. Up 18% over 2008. A risky gamble. Well over 1 trillion dollars. That's one followed by 12 zeros.
Posted by coqui78 (Member # 9702) on :
quote:Originally posted by Spruce314: Didn't you mean one of the most corrupt presidencies in over 100 years? Why does he have that team of lawyers keeping his past secret? Something to hide?
Holy shit, you really drank the kool aid didn't you?
quote:Fact: Obama and the dems passed health-care reform that most people didn't want. Recently my dad who is 80 almost died as a result of Obama's crackdown on Medicare fraud. That came from the doctor @ the hospital. They could only admit him if he met several criteria on a list. Congress and the president have their own health plan. Wonder why they don't want this wonderful one they passed for us?
FACT: Obama RAN HIS ENTIRE CAMPAIGN around passing health care reform AND WON OVERWHELMINGLY. FACT: Elections determine what people want, not polls. FACT: any president in history that ran his presidency going by what polls say would be the worst ever, you don't need a government if that's how you want things ran.
quote:Fact: Record deficits which saved or only created more government jobs. The deficit this year is triple last years. Up 18% over 2008. A risky gamble. Well over 1 trillion dollars. That's one followed by 12 zeros.
FACT: recessions are only defeated by spending, tightening the purse strings MAKES THINGS WORSE. FACT: You save when the economy is good, you spend when it's bad, Republicans were handed a great economy, did the opposite and damn near brought the country into another Great Depression.
Here, i'll put this in simple words so your tiny conservative brain can wrap itself around the concepts: Health care GOOD, Spending GOOD when economy bad, BAD when economy good.
Posted by Spruce314 (Member # 35412) on :
Socialism bad. That's what the healthcare and financial reforms are. Plain and simple. We'll see how popular the "change god" is come November.
Why don't you try spending and go head over heels in debt when you're unemployed and get back to me.
We all can't be liberals you know. Some of us have to work.
Posted by coqui78 (Member # 9702) on :
Stupid double post.
Posted by coqui78 (Member # 9702) on :
quote:Originally posted by coqui78:
quote:Originally posted by Spruce314: [QB] Socialism bad. That's what the healthcare and financial reforms are. Plain and simple. We'll see how popular the "change god" is come November.
So are roads, schools, police, firemen, etc etc etc. Everything the government does can be called "socialism", it is ALL needed. You'll have to wait a couple more years to see just how popular he is though.
quote:Why don't you try spending and go head over heels in debt when you're unemployed and get back to me.
If i were a nation i would, because i've actually read history books.
Posted by Spruce314 (Member # 35412) on :
Check Rome and see how it worked for them...
Posted by Spruce314 (Member # 35412) on :
We'll see how "popular" he is in a couple of years. The number can't go much lower unless its into the neg.
Posted by Spruce314 (Member # 35412) on :
That said, I'll quit harassing you so you can get back to jerking off to your Ann Coulter pics collection.
Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :
quote: FACT: recessions are only defeated by spending, tightening the purse strings MAKES THINGS WORSE. FACT: You save when the economy is good, you spend when it's bad, Republicans were handed a great economy, did the opposite and damn near brought the country into another Great Depression.
Here, i'll put this in simple words so your tiny conservative brain can wrap itself around the concepts: Health care GOOD, Spending GOOD when economy bad, BAD when economy good.
Keynesian Economics has FAILED 100% of the time anywhere it's been tryed. You have to let the Middle Class and the free market work...period...end of story. Do you think we can Print unlimited money and get away with it? What backs the Dollar? WHO will buy our debt? China won't pretty soon. If you think Obumma saved this country, you are still sipping the drink friend. Wake Up and stop parroting the CNN talking points. Posted by bw97 (Member # 31098) on :
How the he'll can you call Mr O sucessful, more taxes more debt, higher unemployment, let me guess he sucessful just because he's black ....he'll if was was a confessed murderer black people would still vote for him just because he's black...
Posted by hollabac85 (Member # 22042) on :
Why do white people harp on how blacks voted. To be real McCain won the white vote and can you republicans tell me how you guys got everything the right wanted when Bush was in office and the econ failed. What was unemployment when Bush left office? How many jobs did the tax cuts created? I seen white voter that voted for Hillary Clinton turn to McCain and nobody said anything about that. By the way Bush created more debt but I guess we see things different but facts don't lie.
Posted by ucflyeah (Member # 32674) on :
Absolutely, jaw-hit-the-ground, amazing that anybody thinks Oblama is doing a good job.
WOW
Just WOW
Posted by coqui78 (Member # 9702) on :
Saving the country from the mess the Republicans left us in isn't doing a good job? by every single measure the country is A LOT better now than it was when Obama took over, how is that not doing a good job? People simply forget the fact that we were on the brink of financial collapse a couple years ago, where we are now is an incredible accomplishment. And that's without even mentioning the major victories of health care and financial reform, and all of this was done with absolutely no help from the other side. You might not like his policies but the facts are undeniable, if saving the country is not doing a good job in your book then i am not sure exactly what you expect from a president.
All you have to do is look at where the country was when Obama took over and look at where it is now. If you don't think going from losing 750 thousand jobs every single month to gaining jobs every month is doing a good job then there is something wrong with you. The GDP is up, the stock market is doing quite nicely, banks aren't closing every week and the big three are actually recovering. If you don't honestly look at the FACTS and agree that Obama has done a GREAT job of dealing with the horrible situation we were in after eight years of republican rule then you're just completely ignorant. Things are not as good as they were back in the Clinton years, thats true of course but you can't expect anyone to undo all the damage the Bush years did to our country in just a couple years.
I'm prepared to listen to your reasons as to why all the progress Obama has made does not constitute doing a good job, but if you are going to go into a tirade about "socialism" or all the other bullshit code words idiots use without knowing a damn thing about what they actually mean then save us both the time.
[ September 07, 2010, 10:52 PM: Message edited by: coqui78 ]
Posted by coqui78 (Member # 9702) on :
quote:Originally posted by bw97: How the he'll can you call Mr O sucessful, more taxes more debt, higher unemployment, let me guess he sucessful just because he's black ....he'll if was was a confessed murderer black people would still vote for him just because he's black...
This is the kind of moron that thinks Obama isn't doing a good job.
Posted by luvntoes (Member # 10587) on :
Saving the country? i think maybee you were visited way too many times by the coqui when you were little. i refuse to talk politics on a site that makes me happy but Obama was a mistake that the "country" will never let happen again. Next time maybee a businessman who has actually owned a business in the past & knows something about real estate, investments and making money. This country is screwed so long as he is in office.
Posted by Spruce314 (Member # 35412) on :
Received this e-mail yesterday. Some interesting things to ponder:
Here's an opinion piece by Chuck Green who writes "Greener Pastures" for the Denver Post Aurora Sentinel...one of the more liberal papers in the country. Additionally, Mr. Green is a life long Democrat...so this is rather a stunning piece... Obama is victim of Bush's failed promises Greener Pastures Column -- 5/ 15/10 Barack Obama is setting a record-setting number of records during his first year in office. Largest budget ever. Largest deficit ever. Largest number of broken promises ever. Most self-serving speeches ever. Largest number of agenda-setting failures ever. Fastest dive in popularity ever.
Wow! Talk about change.
Just one year ago, fresh from his inauguration celebrations, President Obama was flying high. After one of the nation's most inspiring political campaigns, the election of America 's first black president had captured the hopes and dreams of millions. To his devout followers, it was inconceivable that a year later his administration would be gripped in self-imposed crisis.
Of course, they don't see it as self-imposed. It's all George Bush's fault.
George Bush, who doesn't have a vote in congress and who no longer occupies the White House, is to blame for it all.
He broke Obama's promise to put all bills on the White House web site for five days before signing them.
He broke Obama's promise to have the congressional health care negotiations broadcast live on C-SPAN.
He broke Obama's promise to end earmarks.
He broke Obama's promise to keep unemployment from rising above 8 percent.
He broke Obama's promise to close the detention center at Guantanamo in the first year.
He broke Obama's promise to make peace with direct, no precondition talks with America 's most hate-filled enemies during his first year in office, ushering in a new era of global cooperation.
He broke Obama's promise to end the hiring of former lobbyists into high White House jobs.
He broke Obama's promise to end no-compete contracts with the government.
He broke Obama's promise to disclose the names of all attendees at closed White House meetings.
He broke Obama's promise for a new era of bipartisan cooperation in all matters.
He broke Obama's promise to have chosen a home church to attend Sunday services with his family by Easter of last year.
Yes, it's all George Bush's fault. President Obama is nothing more than a puppet in the never-ending failed Bush administration. If only George Bush wasn't still in charge, all of President Obama's problems would be solved. His promises would have been kept, the economy would be back on track, Iran would have stopped its work on developing a nuclear bomb and would be negotiating a peace treaty with Israel . North Korea would have ended its tyrannical regime, and integrity would have been restored to the federal government.
Oh, and did I mention what it would be like if the Democrats, under the leadership of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, didn't have the heavy yoke of George Bush around their necks? There would be no ear marks, no closed-door drafting of bills, no increase in deficit spending, no special-interest influence (unions), no vote buying (Nebraska, Louisiana).
If only George Bush wasn't still in charge, we'd have real change by now.
All the broken promises, all the failed legislation and delay (health care reform, immigration reform) is not President Obama's fault or the fault of the Democrat-controlled Congress. It's all George Bush's fault.
Take for example the decision of Eric Holder, the president's attorney general, to hold terrorists' trials in New York City . Or his decision to try the Christmas Day underpants bomber as a civilian.
Two disastrous decisions.
Certainly those were bad judgments based on poor advice from George Bush.
Need more proof?
You might recall that when Scott Brown won the election to the U.S. Senate from Massachusetts , capturing "the Ted Kennedy seat", President Obama said that Brown's victory was the result of the same voter anger that propelled Obama into office in 2008. People were still angry about George Bush and the policies of the past 10 years. And they wanted change.
Yes, according to the president, the voter rebellion in Massachusetts was George Bush's fault.
Therefore, in retaliation, they elected a Republican to the Ted Kennedy seat, ending a half-century of domination by Democrats. It is all George Bush's fault.
Will the failed administration of George Bush ever end, and the time for hope and change ever arrive?
Will President Obama ever accept responsibility for something... - anything?
(Chuck Green is a veteran Colorado journalist and former editor-in-chief of The Denver Post.)
Posted by ucflyeah (Member # 32674) on :
Great read Spruce314!
It's especially stunning when the people who voted for Oblama turn on him.
I, believe it or not, actually KIND OF feel sorry for the guy. I don't think he's a bad man. Just not presidential in anyway
Posted by Robotron2084 (Member # 33263) on :
quote:Originally posted by luvntoes: Saving the country? i think maybee you were visited way too many times by the coqui when you were little. i refuse to talk politics on a site that makes me happy but Obama was a mistake that the "country" will never let happen again. Next time maybee a businessman who has actually owned a business in the past & knows something about real estate, investments and making money. This country is screwed so long as he is in office.
The country is screwed no matter who is in the office. Ever heard of the drunken whore riding the beast with seven heads? Sign of the times good people and the writing has been on the wall for a long time...
Posted by Arch-Mage (Member # 23167) on :
quote:Originally posted by ozkar: the point of a democracy is that after the election instead of sitting back and complaining/defending like everyone does we are supposed to continue to work with and guide whoever won in a civilized manner toward the greater good.
politicians are always on campaign because "we the people" only exert our self-governing rights during elections. after which we become either complainers or defenders for a government which has no other option other than to operate by themselves in a vacuum. we should be offering constructive direction constantly to our representatives. Solutions to problems, offering our services and volunteer efforts if needed, regardless of if we agree with their views. That is how we have control of government in our system. By participating for real, not just bitching about things, defending against bitching, displaying anger, displaying praise. we have to DO things.
THANK YOU! Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :
The country is a rosey place with tons of new green jobs like saving field mice and salmon in rural areas or paving an airport runway in shanksville,usa. Also, if you listen to the major news networks you will think everything will just be ok..lol But then again, back to reality as we study the macro-economic data we see we're really fucked.
Posted by coqui78 (Member # 9702) on :
Well obviously you are not going to solve eight years of screw ups in just a few months. Things are still fucked yeah but, they are just a lot less fucked than they were before and most definitely a whole lot less fucked than they were about to get.
Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :
It's not over...but if you want to think that and it brings you peace...by all means lol
Posted by ucflyeah (Member # 32674) on :
Wake up people, Obama is just like the other 43 Presidents who are puppets for the people who own the money. However, it is hard to believe most people or some of the people believe Obama can make a change "Yes we can" in America for the good or for the worst as a politican in this country in which the people never did own this country since George Washington. Also, having a memory of the past is a dying art. I subject reading the history of the banking system when Andrew Jackson was President and why he was shot by the people who own the money. Somehow, the same people or descendant of these people are the one's who are controling the money today. Wake up America!
Posted by combine_hunter (Member # 39526) on :
quote:Originally posted by Fwrinkledsoles: Wake up people, Obama is just like the other 43 Presidents who are puppets for the people who own the money.
I wholeheartedly agree. But without being part of that small percentage of people that controls the large percentage of the wealth, what's to be done?
I don't have an answer, personally.
Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :
Pitchforks? but of course, in a modern sense.
Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
quote:Originally posted by coqui78: Well obviously you are not going to solve eight years of screw ups in just a few months. Things are still fucked yeah but, they are just a lot less fucked than they were before and most definitely a whole lot less fucked than they were about to get.
Yeah, it's difficult to get an accurate reading of the success of a president/leader if they walk into a fucked up situation. How do we know that there was no way there wasn't going to be a huge downfall, the acting president just managed to lessen that which could have got a hell of a lot worse etc etc.?
Posted by combine_hunter (Member # 39526) on :
Not to mention the "other party" sniping him at every damn turn.
Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
quote:Originally posted by combine_hunter: Not to mention the "other party" sniping him at every damn turn.
Well my outside perspective is that he had absolutely good intentions when he campaigned. (although it's pretty obvious that a large number of people only voted for him because *shock* *horror!* - He's black, I reckon he was the right choice).
I just think that no one really realises the actual powerlessness that the presidential position holds. All the promises he intended to keep have to go through your version of Parliament/House of Lords - "Congress" I believe - heavily conservative/Republican, so it's kind of the same situation as here. The fat-cat company owners and land barons and dukes and lords and senators and whoever else have the final say. If it's too liberal a view, it's vetoed.
Posted by combine_hunter (Member # 39526) on :
Of course. Good intentions can win you elections, but it doesn't mean much once you're in office.
As I recall, Congress wasn't shifted too far to the right until after the mid-term elections. So he had plenty of time with a marginally friendly legislature to get stuff done.
It's difficult (if not impossible) to say that he can get stuff moving now, since the mid-term elections were so "damaging" to his party.
Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :
First of all he's not black...he's 1/2 African and 1/2 Caucasian, let's get that right. He had 2 years folks, 2 years...with a majority, and did nothing. It was obvious he has handlers. Shift your mind out of the left vs. right paradigm and it will all get clear.
Posted by combine_hunter (Member # 39526) on :
You're right, wrinklesguy. The people that control the money didn't want the status quo changed, so it didn't. Simple as that, right?
Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :
They find someone who is popular, until they run the course and people don't like them anymore...then they find a new patsy. Been that way for awhile now.
Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
quote:Originally posted by Wrinklesguy: First of all he's not black...he's 1/2 African and 1/2 Caucasian,
Yep, I know. He's black enough for black people and black sympathisers. That better?
Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
BTW, are the members of Congress voted in by you, the voter? Or are they elected by someone you've voted in? or are the proportionally representative of the local politicians within each constituency?
I.E: one state has a republican voted in as state senator or whatever it's called there so that man/woman is then a member of Congress.
Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :
Yep..each senator and house member comes from individual states voted in by members of that state or constituancy then becoming the voice for all...which would technically work in a perfect world, but seems to be troublesome with some of the vast differing of ideas from rural or urban reps who end up clashing while trying to pass laws because not everyone wants a certain thing the others want...you then have a mob rule type democracy. I personally feel a 2/3 majority instead of 51/49 should be the judge..
Posted by Five For Feet (Member # 33596) on :
quote:Originally posted by Wrinklesguy: First of all he's not black...he's 1/2 African and 1/2 Caucasian, let's get that right. He had 2 years folks, 2 years...with a majority, and did nothing. It was obvious he has handlers. Shift your mind out of the left vs. right paradigm and it will all get clear.
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Posted by Rider Aldebaran (Member # 38525) on :
quote:Originally posted by Wrinklesguy: First of all he's not black...he's 1/2 African and 1/2 Caucasian, let's get that right. He had 2 years folks, 2 years...with a majority, and did nothing. It was obvious he has handlers. Shift your mind out of the left vs. right paradigm and it will all get clear.
He's of Black African descent, and he identified himself as a Black man (though he acknowledged his White family on multiple occasions). I'd say he's Black; he's also White, but most people are going to look at him and see a Black man.
Also, there's that one-drop rule.
I agree that he should have gotten more done, but there's still two more years left in his term. Maybe he'll wow us. But with the GOP the way they are, I doubt it.
Posted by Spruce314 (Member # 35412) on :
quote:Originally posted by Rider Aldebaran:
quote:Originally posted by Wrinklesguy: First of all he's not black...he's 1/2 African and 1/2 Caucasian, let's get that right. He had 2 years folks, 2 years...with a majority, and did nothing. It was obvious he has handlers. Shift your mind out of the left vs. right paradigm and it will all get clear.
He's of Black African descent, and he identified himself as a Black man (though he acknowledged his White family on multiple occasions). I'd say he's Black; he's also White, but most people are going to look at him and see a Black man.
Also, there's that one-drop rule.
I agree that he should have gotten more done, but there's still two more years left in his term. Maybe he'll wow us. But with the GOP the way they are, I doubt it.
Not that it really matters to most of us, but his mother was Caucasian and his dad was of African/Arab descent. More Caucasian than any other race. Funny, I didn't hear very much about that? I wonder why?
Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
quote:Originally posted by Spruce314:
quote:Originally posted by Rider Aldebaran:
quote:Originally posted by Wrinklesguy: First of all he's not black...he's 1/2 African and 1/2 Caucasian, let's get that right. He had 2 years folks, 2 years...with a majority, and did nothing. It was obvious he has handlers. Shift your mind out of the left vs. right paradigm and it will all get clear.
He's of Black African descent, and he identified himself as a Black man (though he acknowledged his White family on multiple occasions). I'd say he's Black; he's also White, but most people are going to look at him and see a Black man.
Also, there's that one-drop rule.
I agree that he should have gotten more done, but there's still two more years left in his term. Maybe he'll wow us. But with the GOP the way they are, I doubt it.
Not that it really matters to most of us, but his mother was Caucasian and his dad was of African/Arab descent. More Caucasian than any other race. Funny, I didn't hear very much about that? I wonder why?
Seriously people, get over how black or not he is and focus on the politics.
Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :
It was the liberal voters who voted on race...alot of them, which is sad because they are supposed to be un-biased towards race lol.
Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
quote:Originally posted by Wrinklesguy: It was the liberal voters who voted on race...alot of them, which is sad because they are supposed to be un-biased towards race lol.
I know. So you'd have preferred...the old guy I forgot the name of?
*Edit: McCain!
Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :
No because I don't believe in the left/right paradigm...they all take orders from the same people.
Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
...so you abstained?
Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :
Abstained from what? Let's not play cat n' mouse here...the voting system is also fraudulent, plus I knew who was going to win based on the campaigns at the time.
Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
From voting.
Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :
Voting is pointless...especially how they have the Electoral College set up, it should be a 2/3 majority of populus vote to win ANYTHING in a Democracy.
Posted by Five For Feet (Member # 33596) on :
quote:Originally posted by Wrinklesguy: It was the liberal voters who voted on race...alot of them, which is sad because they are supposed to be un-biased towards race lol.
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Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
quote:Originally posted by Wrinklesguy: Voting is pointless...
Do you *really* have a right to complain about any political issue then?
Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
quote:Originally posted by Five For Feet:
quote:Originally posted by Wrinklesguy: It was the liberal voters who voted on race...alot of them, which is sad because they are supposed to be un-biased towards race lol.
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No he's got a point there. I mean hidden behind a veil of implying that Republicans are...racist?
I don't know if they are or not, but there's no reason they couldn't be...
Posted by combine_hunter (Member # 39526) on :
quote:Originally posted by Andy-Laa:
quote:Originally posted by Wrinklesguy: Voting is pointless...
Do you *really* have a right to complain about any political issue then?
Hey, it's a free country.
Just because people don't vote doesn't limit their freedom of speech. Although other people who use that argument have it in their heads that people who don't vote should pretty much STFU.
Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
quote:Originally posted by combine_hunter:
quote:Originally posted by Andy-Laa:
quote:Originally posted by Wrinklesguy: Voting is pointless...
Do you *really* have a right to complain about any political issue then?
Hey, it's a free country.
Just because people don't vote doesn't limit their freedom of speech. Although other people who use that argument have it in their heads that people who don't vote should pretty much STFU.
Well I've always been of the opinion that if you don't like how things are, try to change them. Voting is a way to do that. If you don't vote then you don't really have a right to complain that things haven't turned out the way you want them.
If you voted and you still didn't get the desired outcome, then complain your ass off, ya know? There's some poor fucks who don't get the vote, they just get dicked on and past generations worked hard to mean you had the right to vote. Just don't waste it is all I'm sayin'.
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Posted by combine_hunter (Member # 39526) on :
quote:Originally posted by Andy-Laa: If you don't vote then you don't really have a right to complain that things haven't turned out the way you want them.
My last post was a counter to this exact statement.
I firmly believe that no matter my participation in the "system", I have an inalienable right to express my opinion, so long as it is done in a reasonable and respectful manner. I won't be stopped by a tautology as the "if you don't vote, you shouldn't complain" nonsense.
But to be quite honest, a single Presidential election has very little to do with "the way things should be". The situation in this country hasn't changed since our forefathers declared independence. The kind of persistence one has to have when dealing with the current "system" is not something that many people have. Not to mention how dangerous it can get for subversives.
Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
quote:Originally posted by combine_hunter:
quote:Originally posted by Andy-Laa: If you don't vote then you don't really have a right to complain that things haven't turned out the way you want them.
My last post was a counter to this exact statement.
I firmly believe that no matter my participation in the "system", I have an inalienable right to express my opinion, so long as it is done in a reasonable and respectful manner. I won't be stopped by a tautology as the "if you don't vote, you shouldn't complain" nonsense.
But to be quite honest, a single Presidential election has very little to do with "the way things should be". The situation in this country hasn't changed since our forefathers declared independence. The kind of persistence one has to have when dealing with the current "system" is not something that many people have. Not to mention how dangerous it can get for subversives.
Yeah, but I went on to further explain in my second paragraph, it's almost disrespectful not to vote seeing as people gave their lives so you'd have the freedom to do so.
Those who died for future generations' right to vote should be honoured, surely?
Otherwise if you had a means by which to do all you can to better improve the country - I know you can send letters and go to whatever your version of council debates and such, but those weren't specifically fought for, voting was - yet don't, it's hypocritical to then complain about the way things are (obviously excluding illness or other extenuating circumstances). You could have changed it, but CHOSE not to. If nothing else, you make the future leader aware of what his/her country believes/wants.
I agree to an extent they're all answering to the same boss, but you can't say Obama's thoughts to nationalising the healthcare system would be shared by McCain.
Posted by Five For Feet (Member # 33596) on :
quote:Originally posted by Andy-Laa:
quote:Originally posted by Five For Feet:
quote:Originally posted by Wrinklesguy: It was the liberal voters who voted on race...alot of them, which is sad because they are supposed to be un-biased towards race lol.
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No he's got a point there. I mean hidden behind a veil of implying that Republicans are...racist?
I don't know if they are or not, but there's no reason they couldn't be...
Racism is not hampered by political party affiliations. There's a little more to it than that, as with the election of Barack Obama.
Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
quote:Originally posted by Five For Feet:
quote:Originally posted by Andy-Laa:
quote:Originally posted by Five For Feet:
quote:Originally posted by Wrinklesguy: It was the liberal voters who voted on race...alot of them, which is sad because they are supposed to be un-biased towards race lol.
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No he's got a point there. I mean hidden behind a veil of implying that Republicans are...racist?
I don't know if they are or not, but there's no reason they couldn't be...
Racism is not hampered by political party affiliations. There's a little more to it than that, as with the election of Barack Obama.
Oh okay then, no politician is or has ever been racist.
You can't deny that black people who hadn't voted in however many years they were eligible all-of-a-sudden voting in the first non-white president is a racially motivated vote.
Posted by Five For Feet (Member # 33596) on :
quote:Originally posted by Andy-Laa:
quote:Originally posted by Five For Feet:
quote:Originally posted by Andy-Laa:
quote:Originally posted by Five For Feet:
quote:Originally posted by Wrinklesguy: It was the liberal voters who voted on race...alot of them, which is sad because they are supposed to be un-biased towards race lol.
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No he's got a point there. I mean hidden behind a veil of implying that Republicans are...racist?
I don't know if they are or not, but there's no reason they couldn't be...
Racism is not hampered by political party affiliations. There's a little more to it than that, as with the election of Barack Obama.
Oh okay then, no politician is or has ever been racist.
You can't deny that black people who hadn't voted in however many years they were eligible all-of-a-sudden voting in the first non-white president is a racially motivated vote.
No need to resort to the "all or nothing" stance in disagreeing with my point. Some politicians may be racist, some are not. My point is a racist disposition isn't contingent on the party you've chosen to support.
We tend to simplify everything so that it makes sense based on our own experience, and I'm certainly guilty of it too. Sure many blacks came out to vote who hadn't voted before (can you really blame them ?), so did many young people for example. I'm not saying they weren't racially motivated to an extent, but it's more than that is what I'm saying. I would argue that Obama did a pretty darn good job of distinguishing himself as better qualified for the office, and the alternative wasn't as attractive to voters generally speaking. That brought out a lot of first time voters too, yet there seems to be a reluctance to give him credit for that. It's easier to just chalk it all up to race, and dismiss his actual competence. That excited a lot of people too you know, black and white, liberal or otherwise.
Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
quote:Originally posted by Five For Feet:
quote:Originally posted by Andy-Laa:
quote:Originally posted by Five For Feet:
quote:Originally posted by Andy-Laa:
quote:Originally posted by Five For Feet:
quote:Originally posted by Wrinklesguy: It was the liberal voters who voted on race...alot of them, which is sad because they are supposed to be un-biased towards race lol.
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No he's got a point there. I mean hidden behind a veil of implying that Republicans are...racist?
I don't know if they are or not, but there's no reason they couldn't be...
Racism is not hampered by political party affiliations. There's a little more to it than that, as with the election of Barack Obama.
Oh okay then, no politician is or has ever been racist.
You can't deny that black people who hadn't voted in however many years they were eligible all-of-a-sudden voting in the first non-white president is a racially motivated vote.
No need to resort to the "all or nothing" stance in disagreeing with my point. Some politicians may be racist, some are not. My point is a racist disposition isn't contingent on the party you've chosen to support.
We tend to simplify everything so that it makes sense based on our own experience, and I'm certainly guilty of it too. Sure many blacks came out to vote who hadn't voted before (can you really blame them ?), so did many young people for example. I'm not saying they weren't racially motivated to an extent, but it's more than that is what I'm saying. I would argue that Obama did a pretty darn good job of distinguishing himself as better qualified for the office, and the alternative wasn't as attractive to voters generally speaking. That brought out a lot of first time voters too, yet there seems to be a reluctance to give him credit for that. It's easier to just chalk it all up to race, and dismiss his actual competence. That excited a lot of people too you know, black and white, liberal or otherwise.
This quote's getting impressive
I of course agree that he was the right choice.
I'm just saying...a lot of people's sole reason had to have been put down to how "revolutionary" and historic it would be to have a black dood as a president.
And yeah, sorry that comment about racist politicians was a bit childish. My personal view would be that you have a greater inclination to perhaps not be racist, but to at least favour your race if you are a conservative politician. Same with homosexuals, women, other minorities etc - I believe (though could be wrong) that the Republicans don't offer anything specifically designed for minorities, whereas Liberals do.
Posted by combine_hunter (Member # 39526) on :
quote:Originally posted by Andy-Laa: Yeah, but I went on to further explain in my second paragraph, it's almost disrespectful not to vote seeing as people gave their lives so you'd have the freedom to do so.
Those who died for future generations' right to vote should be honoured, surely?
Otherwise if you had a means by which to do all you can to better improve the country - I know you can send letters and go to whatever your version of council debates and such, but those weren't specifically fought for, voting was - yet don't, it's hypocritical to then complain about the way things are (obviously excluding illness or other extenuating circumstances). You could have changed it, but CHOSE not to. If nothing else, you make the future leader aware of what his/her country believes/wants.
I agree to an extent they're all answering to the same boss, but you can't say Obama's thoughts to nationalising the healthcare system would be shared by McCain.
I disagree.
In fact, I would go on to say that it would be extremely arrogant of me to think that my one vote being "wasted" (another thing I disagree with; just because I choose not to use it doesn't mean it's wasted) means anything in the grand scheme of things, including some kind of "disrespect" given to the Patriots who fought (and died) for our freedom.
If people see it that way, I'm not going to try to change their minds, because it's really a waste of time. I know where I stand, and my foremost concern is with me and mine, not pleasing people that I won't likely have contact with or whose criticism I won't ever hear.
Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
quote:Originally posted by combine_hunter:
quote:Originally posted by Andy-Laa: Yeah, but I went on to further explain in my second paragraph, it's almost disrespectful not to vote seeing as people gave their lives so you'd have the freedom to do so.
Those who died for future generations' right to vote should be honoured, surely?
Otherwise if you had a means by which to do all you can to better improve the country - I know you can send letters and go to whatever your version of council debates and such, but those weren't specifically fought for, voting was - yet don't, it's hypocritical to then complain about the way things are (obviously excluding illness or other extenuating circumstances). You could have changed it, but CHOSE not to. If nothing else, you make the future leader aware of what his/her country believes/wants.
I agree to an extent they're all answering to the same boss, but you can't say Obama's thoughts to nationalising the healthcare system would be shared by McCain.
I disagree.
In fact, I would go on to say that it would be extremely arrogant of me to think that my one vote being "wasted" (another thing I disagree with; just because I choose not to use it doesn't mean it's wasted) means anything in the grand scheme of things, including some kind of "disrespect" given to the Patriots who fought (and died) for our freedom.
If people see it that way, I'm not going to try to change their minds, because it's really a waste of time. I know where I stand, and my foremost concern is with me and mine, not pleasing people that I won't likely have contact with or whose criticism I won't ever hear.
Well it's all gonna come down to opinions and opposing views in the end. No one's mind's changing and no one's changing the world. I mean Australia has compulsory voting for example - get fined if you don't vote so you're contributing to the country either way.
Posted by combine_hunter (Member # 39526) on :
Yes, sir.
And if I lived in Australia, I'd get my ass down to the voting booth. Posted by Five For Feet (Member # 33596) on :
quote:Originally posted by Andy-Laa:
This quote's getting impressive
I of course agree that he was the right choice.
I'm just saying...a lot of people's sole reason had to have been put down to how "revolutionary" and historic it would be to have a black dood as a president.
And yeah, sorry that comment about racist politicians was a bit childish. My personal view would be that you have a greater inclination to perhaps not be racist, but to at least favour your race if you are a conservative politician. Same with homosexuals, women, other minorities etc - I believe (though could be wrong) that the Republicans don't offer anything specifically designed for minorities, whereas Liberals do. [/QB][/QUOTE]
Yeah, this quote is long. I'll wittle it down a little. Good points. I think the black dood had to have actually brought something to the table though, for those revolutionaries to follow through. Aftr all, Jessie Jackson ran for President at a time when his stock in the black community was probably higher than Obama's, and we see how that turned out. I was just responding to this line his detractors like to take; which is that his getting elected had EVERYTHING to do with race. They can't seem to stand the fact that he was simply the best person for the job. THAT's what we were moved by.
Hey, did you notice that you said "people's SOLE"? We may have to move this thread over to foot fetish talk! Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
quote: Do you *really* have a right to complain about any political issue then?
Actually, yes...in America we have something called Freedom..ok I will spare you the Patriot speech. But if you're not being represented you should have an even LOUDER voice so that you are. I usually take a bat to people's skulls who say someone should stfu if you didn't vote..or..something to that effect lol. Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
quote:Originally posted by Wrinklesguy: Actually, yes...in America we have something called Freedom..ok I will spare you the Patriot speech. But if you're not being represented you should have an even LOUDER voice so that you are. I usually take a bat to people's skulls who say someone should stfu if you didn't vote..or..something to that effect lol.
Every democracy has freedom; it's not just America.
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