For all of you music fans out there: what are your all-time favorite live recordings (official or otherwise)?
Mine are (in no particular order):
Jimi Hendrix Band Of Gypsys '' Live At the Fillmore East
Miles Davis Live At the Fillmore East, March 7, 1970 '' Black Beauty: Live At the Fillmore West
John Coltrane The Complete Live At the Village Vanguard '' Live In Seattle '' Reflections Vol. 1 '' Live in Japan '' The Olajituni Concert: The Last Live Recording
The Grateful Dead Live Dead '' Two From the Vault '' 2/3/68 '' 2/14/68 '' 8/21/68 '' 8/23/68 '' 10/12/68 '' 1/25/69 '' 2/21/69 '' 2/22/69 '' 2/27/69 '' 2/28/69 '' 3/1/69 '' 4/6/69 '' 4/21/69 '' 4/22/69 '' 4/27/69 '' 6/5/69 '' 2/13/70 '' 5/2/70 '' 4/14/72 '' 5/8/72 '' 5/18/72 '' 5/26/72 '' 8/27/72 '' 9/21/72 '' 9/24/72 '' 9/28/72 '' 12/31/72 '' 2/15/73 '' 10/19/73 '' 10/30/73 '' 12/6/73 '' 2/24/74 '' 5/14/74 '' 6/18/74 '' Fallout From the Phil Zone
Yes Yessongs '' 2/28/74
[ February 23, 2005, 10:49 PM: Message edited by: 2 X 4 ]
Posted by hott3028 (Member # 3839) on :
Cheap Trick - Live at Budokan
This is the best live album because it captures the group the way they are intended to be listened to. No studio gloss, loud guitar, loud drums, loud vocals and loud Japaneese children screaming theis brains out.
Except for a few other ones, Live albums are a marketing gimmick to rip fans off and make them buy music they already own. Alot of those "Live" albums have studio overdubs and canned audience applause. And lets face it, you have to be a great live act to make a good live album. And even the great ones (Led Zep, Pink Floyd) have mediocre live albums.
Posted by Sasha (Member # 1842) on :
Great topic 2x4.Come on people chime in!! This is good stuff.
Lets see..
1.Guns and Roses..Live at the Marquee 1987.You'll never find this.Its on Vinyl. I got it in London.
2. FRAMPTON comes alive.....One of the best!
3. Journey Live at the SUMMIT in Houston.(Escape TOUR)MTV did a live show of this in I think in 81 or 82..My friend in the Music biz got a copy for me.!!!!
4. KISS ALIVE---She looked good, she looked hotter then hell!!!! Oh yea........GET UP!!!!! and get your Grandma outta here......Love that album!
5.Come on guys and girls...ZEP!!!! Song remains the same! The midnight showing at your local theater....
6.Cheap trick.Live at Budokon..Come a come a baby do it again......
7.UFO STRANGERS IN THE NIGHT My brother turned me onto this band when I was a kid...This to me is one of the best LIVE albums ever!!!Its in my CD player right now....Doctor Doctor PLEASE..........
8.RUSH 2112 KILLER KILLER KILLER!!!!!! We are the priest of the temple!!
GUNS AND ROSES LIVE LIKE A $@#!*^ SUICIDE If you never saw the boys live..YOU MISSED MAGIC!!! Lights went out....AXL and the BOYS hit the stage........BANG!!!!!! NO BULLSHIT!!!
I watched them at the Whiskey and Trubador in HOLLYWOOD when I was a kid,(12,13and 14 yrs old! with my Brother..I will never in my life(music wise of course) be a witness to something so special.They were trully a diamond in the rough in their club days.
9.Rolling Stones GET YER YA YAS OUT This album is the Rolling stones the way people dont remember the stones..They were the original BAD BOYS!They werent the BEATLES!!
10. AEROSMITH LIVE BOOTLEG God I loved this bands older work!!!!!MR TYLERS BIG LIPS!!! This album kicks ASS!!!..keep in touch with mama kin...YUMMY!!!!
11. QUEEN LIVE KILLERS Freddy Mercury RULED!!!! I saw these Guys when I was a young one. They were the loudest band I think I ever saw.
All these albums are in my Rotation during the course of the year!
[ February 23, 2005, 02:00 AM: Message edited by: Sasha ]
Posted by vasduten (Member # 2211) on :
A great thread...
Favorite GD live is the 8-13-74 vault recording, it is, IMHO, the quintessential 70's Dead at their BEST!!!
Although, I am also partial to the 3-1-69 at the Filmore West, so much energy and they play forEVER without stopping!
As for Live "commercial" music, my friend Neil had an original red-vinyl album of "Jimi Hendrix- High, Live and Dirty" It rocks!!! On a side note: Jim Morrisson comes out near the end of the show to "sit in" on vocals, and basically sucks ass. It is interesting, however, when he just yells, "Fuck her in the ass..." over and over again for like 3-4 mins. Classic Morrisson, drunk and high, ackin' stoopit...
Um, I have so many GD bootlegs, and some of them are definately in the "fav." rack, but they are all my favs for different reasons. Just as each day is different, each concert is too. Some stunk a bit, but have bright spots, and some just are so on-time and high that they just carry you away on a wave of music. That is why I love 70's Dead so much: It's just a group of people playing music with the purpose of "tripping" somewhere on it, without a ton of effects, and it is reflective of the band, the audience, and everyone's collective consciousness at that moment. Just good, clean music to "take you there".
Posted by 2 X 4 (Member # 2886) on :
Yep vasduten, although my favorite period of Dead music will probably always be the high-energy days of 1968-69, I have also fallen in love with the period of 1972-74. They had a lot more songs by this time, they were playing with more nuances of tone, volume, tempo, etc., and although they didn't jam on practically every song they way they had in the late '60s, when they DID go out, they went to places that few rock bands--heck, few music ensembles, period--even dreamed of, let alone tried to travel to. Improvisational vehicles like "Playin' In the Band," "The Other One," and especially my favorite, "Dark Star," were now routinely in the range of 30-40 minutes, sometimes even longer than that. And no longer would these journeys restricted to whatever key the song was in--or any "normal" key at all! This was interstellar jazz/classical/electronic weirdness (speaking of which, I would love to get my hands on a 1974 show that had "Seastones" on it) and saw the band reach heights they never quite reached again.
Posted by vasduten (Member # 2211) on :
Which show was that? I'll start looking... Seastones? wasn't that the donna and keith album?
I agree with you completely here, and even though I did see som shows that were good in the 90's, the 72 to 74 period is my fav... Bill Graham once said," They aren't the best at what they do, but they are the ONLY ones who do what they do."
Posted by vasduten (Member # 2211) on :
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Posted by Calico Jack (Member # 2299) on :
Favorite all-time live recordings, huh? Interesting question. I haven't really given a whole lot of thought to that because I'm generally partial to studio recordings myself. I suppose Iron Maiden's Live After Death concert album from 1985 would definitely fare remarkably well on my list as one of the best live albums I've heard because it really captures the essence of the band's trademarked sound despite it being taped live in front of a sold out crowd at Long Beach Arena. Great stuff! Another of my all time favorites would be Depeche Mode's double album set entitled 101, recorded live in 1988 at the Rose Bowl in Pasadena.
Calico Jack
Posted by 2 X 4 (Member # 2886) on :
Actually vasduten, the Keith and Donna album was different from the Seastones album, and the live between-set electronic interludes featuring Phil Lesh and Ned Lagin from which the Seastones album took its name.
Posted by Wing-Washer (Member # 3013) on :
I don't usually like live recordings. However, I love ACDC Live.
Posted by hott3028 (Member # 3839) on :
Calico, I'm a big MODE fan, 101 serves it's purpose as a good hits/live album. But since we are on the topic of live albums, "Songs Of Faith And Devotion - LIVE" is a song for song live rendition of their 1993 album. If you are not familiar with the studio version, you might enjoy the live album because it is DM's heaviest guitar album. Plus the songs are real well written.
Posted by Calico Jack (Member # 2299) on :
Ok, this is going to be something of a lengthy response because I've got a lot to say on the issue of DM what with them being one of my all-time favorite bands and biggest influences on me as a musician, so here goes.
I'm familiar with Songs of Faith and Devotion, both the studio version and the live version. For what it's intended to be, the live version is an excellent translation of the studio album into the live setting. However, I was always somewhat disappointed with the Songs of Faith and Devotion album in the first place. I remember heading straight over to the record store after school on the day that the "I Feel You" single was released back in 1993. I couldn't help but think that in many ways "I Feel You" lacked a bit of originality as it borrowed various musical ideas regarding structure from "Personal Jesus", only without the same big hit appeal. Then I picked up the full album when it was released shortly thereafter, and it completely fell short of my expecations. I don't think this came as a total surprise to me though, because it was riding on the coattails of Violator, which IMHO remains the pinnacle and crowning jewel of Depeche Mode's career. So I knew going in that chances were pretty good that it wouldn't be nearly as brilliant as Violator, but I hoped that it wouldn't be too far behind. Unfortunately I ended up liking it less than practically all of the DM albums which had come before it. Why? Several reasons, the main one regarding the band's use of a real drum set rather than a drum machine for the first time on record. It felt to me as though they were trying to cash in on the alternative rock scene by changing their image (Dave Gahan's long hair & more scraggly appearance), abandoning their pure electronica roots by having Alan play drums, and basically trying to be something they weren't. Their attempt to infuse a gospel sensibility into tracks like "Condemnation" & "Get Right With Me" seemed to me contrived and wayward at best, with one track pretty much being a carbon copy of the other one albeit at a different tempo.
Having said all that, I don't think that Songs of Faith and Devotion was a total disaster, but rather just what I'd consider to be a low point in their history. On the positive side, it did have three truly stand-out tracks ("Walking in My Shoes", "In Your Room", & "Rush") that made the album worthwhile for me.
So in conclusion, while I'm not really a fan of Songs of Faith and Devotion, I do think that the live version of the album (while wholly unneccessary in my opinion) is still an excellent translation of those songs, and as a matter of fact I happen to think that the live version of "Walking in My Shoes" is even better than the studio cut!
Calico Jack
Posted by Sasha (Member # 1842) on :
Calico,
Don't get me wrong here. I love DM! I saw two shows about 12 years ago. One show at the Rose Bowl..THEY SUCKED!!!!!! It was one big show of computer generated garbage. The second show I saw(same tour) was at the Hollywood Paladium(3000 person venue). It was a special show for KROQ. The show was INCREDIBLE!!!!!!!!! DM was not made for Arenas and Stadiums.....
Posted by Calico Jack (Member # 2299) on :
I don't disagree with you in the least, Sasha. I saw them at Madison Square Garden back when they were on tour for Ultra and thought the show was only okay at best. The versions of the songs that ended up on the live 101 album that I mentioned were carefully chosen from a number of sold out nights at the Rose Bowl in '88. So naturally the band selected the best material from those six nights and rejected the rest which wasn't up to par. Not only that, but everything was running directly into the board at those concerts with the intentions of making the live CD, so the sound quality that you hear on the disc is notably better than it would've been if you'd been in the audience. I've been performing electronica in venues of sizes ranging everywhere from tiny to gargantuan, and I completely agree with the assessment that electronic music of this variety frequently carries over much better in a smaller space than in a huge open air stadium or concert arena. I remember thinking the same thing when I saw New Order live at the Meadowlands Arena back in '93. T'was a shame about the sound because they're freaking brilliant!
Calico Jack
Posted by Sasha (Member # 1842) on :
I was into that type of Music big time!! One of my favorite live shows ever was the PSYCHEDELIC FURS at the Pantages in Hollywood...I love that band! Those guys were AWESOME!!!I also saw New Order about 10-12 years ago,They played with Echo and the Bunny Men at the PALACE in Hollywood....Killer Show!
Posted by Calico Jack (Member # 2299) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sasha: I also saw New Order about 10-12 years ago,They played with Echo and the Bunny Men at the PALACE in Hollywood....Killer Show!
That sounds like a real cool bill, Sasha. When I saw New Order at the Meadowlands Arena in 1993 they were headlining a show with Sunscreem and 808 State as the opening acts. Just to be able to say that I saw both 808 State & New Order on the same evening was alone worth the price of the ticket. hehe Those were the types of bands who've had a profound impact on my musical development and my subsequent musical career. You know the groups I'm talking about: Kraftwerk, Depeche Mode, Joy Division/New Order, Erasure, Pet Shop Boys, Camouflage, Nitzer Ebb, Front 242, Modern Talking, Red Flag, and on and on and on. Much of the work I do these days is predominantly guitar-driven and sounds nothing like the new wave I was writing fifteen years ago, but the influence of those bands still remains evident to me every single day.
Calico Jack
Posted by hott3028 (Member # 3839) on :
New Order says it will play a few shows this spring in NYC and Chicago to warm up for the Reading festival, and in anticipation of their new album.
CJ: you are right on about DM, they were trying to cash in on the new rock scene in '93. And Songs of faith and devotion was a weaker sibling to Violator.
I disagree that Violator was their best. Give Black Celebration a spin. That was their artistic height. Being a big fan, I dont think they went down from their. They continue to make great music. Erasure's new single Breathe is awesome!
Posted by Calico Jack (Member # 2299) on :
quote:Originally posted by hott3028: New Order says it will play a few shows this spring in NYC and Chicago to warm up for the Reading festival, and in anticipation of their new album.
Now that's awesome news. I'll definitely check into that action.
quote:Originally posted by hott3028: I disagree that Violator was their best. Give Black Celebration a spin. That was their artistic height.
Don't get me wrong, I think that Black Celebration and Some Great Reward are two absolutely brilliant records which lie at the very core foundation of what Depeche Mode is all about. They took new wave dance (often patterned around 4/4 beats) and infused a depressing sentiment into the emotional component of the music which really became their trademark during the 1980s. I personally feel that this trademark of theirs reached its culmination with Violator in 1990 because in addition to lyrically & vocally having mastered that subdued & beautifully depressing quality that had been building on previous efforts, the music itself had finally come to fruition with songs that were truly strong, clubbable dance tunes ("World in My Eyes", "Personal Jesus", "Halo", "Enjoy the Silence", "Policy of Truth") and quiet introspective visions ("Waiting for the Night", "Sweetest Perfection", "Blue Dress", "Clean"). To me, Depeche Mode had always been about the hybrid mixture of dark emotional current coupled with electronic dance sensibilities, and as such, no album better typifies that in their canon than Violator. I pretty much think that everything they did between 1980 & 1990 was pure genius though, so all this additional extrapolation is probably not necessary. hehe
Calico Jack
Posted by hott3028 (Member # 3839) on :
Very cool, you are right on dude. I see where you are coming from. I saw them on the Violator tour and they really were awesome live. Like I said one of my all time faves. Amazing the sort of life Dave Gahan has had, especially at the height of their popularity. In spite of the lyrics and mood, I always thought they were a positive band with a great message. It's pretty interesting to listen to that stuff now, knowing about his struggles, he was a very lonely and sad dude.
Funny how this thread has turned into DM talk. Do you like Erasure? What about early Mode? You mentioned Nitzer Ebb & Front 242. I was a teenager living in Chicago during the Industrial revolution and saw all those bands when they were coming up. Do you like old Ministry? Are you familiar with their first album "With Sympathy"? It's an eighties pop masterpiece, in a sick creepy kind of way.
Posted by Calico Jack (Member # 2299) on :
quote:Originally posted by hott3028: Do you like Erasure? What about early Mode?
I sure do like Erasure. They're one of the bands that I mentioned on that abbreviated version of my influence list, and I was definitely a huge fan of theirs. I'd finally gotten to see them perform live back in October of 1992 for their Phantasmagorical Experience tour, and despite starting off a little shaky vocally, Andy quickly fell into his groove and the remainder of the show was a treat with what had to be at least 100 different costume changes throughout the course of the night. hehe
As for early Depeche Mode, yes, I love the early stuff too. I think some of their most integral work emerged during their early period in 1982 immediately following Vince Clarke's departure from the band. To this day I think that A Broken Frame remains a masterful testimony to the unassuming genius of Martin Gore and Depeche Mode. It's certainly not nearly as well known as the DM albums which came later on, but it is IMO unequivocally the album in which Depeche Mode truly became Depeche Mode with regards to sound and emotion.
quote:Originally posted by hott3028: Do you like old Ministry? Are you familiar with their first album "With Sympathy"? It's an eighties pop masterpiece, in a sick creepy kind of way.
Concerning the EBM & industrial electro bands, I was always more hardcore into Nitzer Ebb & Front 242 than Ministry, but I do like them and have had the pleasure of seeing all three of those bands live in concert. Ministry is a very interesting band if you trace their development over the years because they've changed like a chameleon yet retain the same magic & unique quality that they've always had. I recently heard a local radio station play "Revenge" (from that 1983 debut album which you mentioned) and couldn't help but be taken aback by just how much they've changed, and yet you still know it's them that you're listening to! That's a pretty neat trick.
Calico Jack
Posted by Calico Jack (Member # 2299) on :
LOL, Sprockets... I suppose that's one perspective vasduten. I think Ralf & Florian are geniuses personally, and pioneering revolutionaries in the world of not only electronic music, but intelligent & conceptual music as well. Any music historian worth his salt will always make significant mention of Kraftwerk in discussing the evolution of music in the latter portion of the 20th Century. We owe a great deal to them and their influence continues to be evidenced by music across the map and across cultural lines. Wir sind die Roboter!
Calico Jack
Posted by hott3028 (Member # 3839) on :
No offense, I never understood the whole Grateful Dead thing. I think people aren't really into the music (it's gotta be the most soul-less stuff imagineable, like a bunch of guys tuning up their instruments), they are into the community of the whole scene. Drugs, no baths, chicks with armpit hair, bad twirl dancing and drugs.
Almost a decade after Garcia died, these people are still carrying on.
Anyways, Calico, I saw Erasure 3 nights in a row here in Chicago during the Phantasmagorical Experience tour, best show i've ever seen. I have seen alot of concerts from McCartney to 50Cent, Ramones to C&C music Factory, but visually Erasure and all those costume changes were visually stunning. I saw them on the "Wild" tour in 1990 and I didn't think they could top themselves. Have you checked out their new single "Breathe"?
Posted by Calico Jack (Member # 2299) on :
quote:Originally posted by hott3028: Have you checked out their new single "Breathe"?
Nope I haven't. To be honest I stopped actively following their career at some point in 1994, so the last album that I actually purchased of theirs was I Say, I Say, I Say. The only other work of theirs past that point that I paid attention to were select tracks from their self-titled Erasure album, namely "Fingers & Thumbs" which I thought was fantastic. It's not that I suddenly just lost interest in them, it's that my own musical career was really beginning to get under way at that time, and I found myself with very little free time to stay up to date on many of the artists that I'd loved before. So I've never heard anything from the Cowboy, Loveboat, or Other People's Songs cover album, let alone anything from the brand new Nightbird album. I'll see if I can get my ears around that new "Breathe" single later today and I'll definitely get back to you with my feedback on it.
Calico Jack
Posted by Calico Jack (Member # 2299) on :
Ok hott3028, so I managed to listen to a little of "Breathe" tonight. The very first thing that struck me about it was the fact that so little has changed audibly since the material from I Say, I Say, I Say back in 1994. After ten years this new song sounds like it could very easily have been on that same album back then! They're still using the same type of soft synth sounds and effects that were typical of each of their albums since Chorus in 1991, and they're exhibiting the same type of late catalog songwriting as well. This isn't necessarily a criticism, just an observation. I suppose it could easily be made into a criticism if I were to take it a step further and suggest outright that there's very little originality in "Breathe" as it basically sounds like Erasure covering their own material. Another thing that struck me about it was at least one moment where Andy's voice fell slightly flat when hitting a note, something that I can't believe they would have overlooked ten years ago. Those faults aside, it was a decent little track, not exactly fresh or innovative, but on the positive side of things it definitely does sound like Erasure. So that's my little quick review in a nutshell.
Calico Jack
Posted by Sasha (Member # 1842) on :
quote: No offense, I never understood the whole Grateful Dead thing. I think people aren't really into the music (it's gotta be the most soul-less stuff imagineable, like a bunch of guys tuning up their instruments), they are into the community of the whole scene. Drugs, no baths, chicks with armpit hair, bad twirl dancing and drugs.
I agree 100%..I went to a show with my friend who was into them(she was a pot head).It was 90-91 at the FORUM in LA.. I thought the dead were horrible!!! What I enjoyed was watching all the people freaked out of their minds on acid ...
What is up with all the DRUGS????
I guess i just didnt get what the whole thing was all about?????
Posted by hott3028 (Member # 3839) on :
You know Calico, I know you are a fan of VH1 Classic, that's where I saw the Erasure video, and if you ever watch a show called classic/current alot of bands return to their familiar sound when they are done going into new territory and wanting to regain past succeses. Take U2 for instance. I like Zooropa and Pop, but alot of people didn't. When they went back to a more comfortable sound on "All That You Can Leave Behind", they scored big. I think that is where Erasure is now. Trying to get fans like you and I that lost track of them in the mid-nineties, and get some top 40 airplay again. To be honest with you Erasure kind of went drag-queen disco over the last few years. Even a hard core dance fan like me wasn't really into it. Pet Shop Boys went the same route after the "Behavior" album. PSB has been back for a few years doing alot of good house/trance type of music. Erasure is at it's best when they sound like Erasure, not ABBA.
Posted by vasduten (Member # 2211) on :
I agree Sasha, the dead sucked bag in the 90's, (and the 80's for that matter...) Just my opinion. I like the early 70's stuff, and the late 60's, when it was just a bunch of guys who played tight, explorative music. It was clean, tight, and just plain groovy. I also like the way that you and hot decide it's ok to shitcan them for the WORST years of the band's career, and the dirty losers who sat in parking lots becoming chemically altered - null and void. I for one, HATED that whole scene. Hippies = DIRTY. Yuck. This WAS a LIVE album/recording thread... If you want a synthesized/industrial/brit pop/ german-artsy-techno thread, then start one.
Shoot, start any type of music thread you want!
Posted by Calico Jack (Member # 2299) on :
quote:Originally posted by hott3028: alot of bands return to their familiar sound when they are done going into new territory and wanting to regain past succeses
I think your assessment of U2 & the Pet Shop Boys is right on target hott, so it certainly stands to reason that perhaps Erasure is attempting to do the same thing. I personally don't think it's going to work for them, but I'd be more than happy if I'm wrong.
quote:Originally posted by vasduten: This WAS a LIVE album/recording thread...
It's become a DEAD album/recording thread - Grateful Dead, that is. hehe Must be the power of Jerry reaching out to us from beyond the grave. Alright then, anybody else have any other opinions about the best live albums/recordings that have been made? I would've been tempted to include U2's Rattle and Hum on my favorites list except we can't really count it as a live album because it's a mix of live and studio tracks.
Calico Jack
Posted by vasduten (Member # 2211) on :
quote:Originally posted by Calico Jack:
It's become a DEAD album/recording thread - Grateful Dead, that is. hehe Must be the power of Jerry reaching out to us from beyond the grave. Calico Jack [/QUOTE] Well, 2x4 and myself merely listed some of our favorite live recordings, and since there are literally thousands of Dead bootlegs out there, and we like them, we listed some of them. No need to throw jabs at me or imply that I am some witless new-ager who believes that Garcia is "reaching out from beyond the grave". How insulting! I just dig live music, and happen to love a lot of live stuff I've heard the dead pull off in concert. I see that you are a moderator, Calico Jack. Does that give you the right to flame me for having a dissenting opinion about music? Or for trying to keep this thread on track? Thanks for being so nice to me. I have managed to not piss off Lou in a post about RELIGION, even though our opinions about the Bible are like night and day, and somehow, because I don't like Kraftwerk, I'm labelled as an instigator and then insulted for my choice in music? It doesn't make any sense to me. -end rant
I have a recording of Neil Young at Brussells, Belgium in '98 with Booker T and the MG's that is killer. Neil goofs with the crowd a little here and there, and rocks the house down! Neil Young was born to rock, and he rocks well.
Another one a friend laid on me is Talking Heads recorded from a live broadcast in Tokyo, Japan in '81. This recording is great, Tracks include Psycho Killer, Cities, and my favorite: Once in a Lifetime. Makes me wish I was at ANY show of theirs in '81, and not just playing Hoth Ice Planet with my Han Solo/Taun Taun in a snowbank. But then, I was 8 years old...
[ March 02, 2005, 02:34 PM: Message edited by: vasduten ]
Posted by Calico Jack (Member # 2299) on :
quote:Originally posted by vasduten: No need to throw jabs at me or imply that I am some witless new-ager who believes that Garcia is "reaching out from beyond the grave".
That's not in the least what I was doing. I simply made a play on words using the word "LIVE" that you used in your last post and relating it to the Grateful DEAD, who some of you have been discussing. I didn't in any way imply anything about the band's music or your feelings for them. No jabs were thrown nor did I imply anything about your beliefs.
quote:Originally posted by vasduten: I see that you are a moderator, Calico Jack. Does that give you the right to flame me for having a dissenting opinion about music?
I've said absolutely nothing to you thus far which could qualify even remotely as an attempt at flaming. I welcome all dissenting opinions on this forum and will always stand by everybody's right to post their dissenting opinions provided they aren't malicious, slanderous, or ill-spirited. I happen to think you were 100% correct in wanting to keep this thread on track, which is precisely why I attempted to turn my attention back to the topic at hand in my last post.
quote:Originally posted by vasduten: because I don't like Kraftwerk, I'm labelled as an instigator and then insulted for my choice in music?
Where did I label you an instigator? Furthermore, where did I insult your choice of music? Thus far I've still shared absolutely no opinion either way on my thoughts about the Grateful Dead's music or your feelings for them as a band. I've made a pun using the words "LIVE" and "DEAD", and I humorously mentioned the prospect of Jerry Garcia reaching out to us all in this thread since several of you were discussing the band. I happen to like the Grateful Dead, though that shouldn't even matter since I haven't gotten involved in that conversation. I'll agree with you about one thing for sure, it doesn't make any sense to me either.
Calico Jack
Posted by vasduten (Member # 2211) on :
Sorry Jack, I thought you were going along with hott3028' sentiment. I saw your pun as a complaint about too much Dead being here. I guess I'm sorry to have implicated you in this, when it was hott that got it all going.
quote:Originally posted by hott3028: No offense, I never understood the whole Grateful Dead thing. I think people aren't really into the music (it's gotta be the most soul-less stuff imagineable, like a bunch of guys tuning up their instruments), they are into the community of the whole scene. Drugs, no baths, chicks with armpit hair, bad twirl dancing and drugs.
Almost a decade after Garcia died, these people are still carrying on.
So accept my apologies, Jack. I misunderstood you, and for that I'm truly sorry.
As for hott3028, keep your crummy opinions and generalizations to yourself.
Posted by hott3028 (Member # 3839) on :
Hey vasduten, take it easy. We are all pals here, just rabble rousin' you a little.
Now go put on side one of "Wake of the Flood", smoke a J, dab on a little pichooley oil and i'll knit you a fancy Guatamalen poncho.
Now lets move on.org
Posted by 2 X 4 (Member # 2886) on :
Now easy, folks. This is merely an on-line thread where we express our opinions. The fate of the known universe does not hinge on whether we prefer the Grateful Dead or Nitzer Ebb.
And actually, I agree. The Dead went WAY downhill starting in the second half of the 1970s and continued their decline right up through Jerry Garcia's demise in 1995. For too many people (including some of the band members themselves) it became about a party, a faddish scene, especially circa 1987 when "Touch of Grey" became such a huge hit for them. Also, several members (not only Garcia) had destructive substance abuse habits they were dealing with (for example, bassist Phil Lesh called the late-'70s through the mid-'80s "The Heineken Years"), and one band member in particular, rhythm guitarist and co-frontman Bob Weir, felt that the band's 1972-74 on-stage space odysseys had become too far out for most of the audience members and would go too far over the heads of any new fans whom they were trying to attract, and thus he took it on himself to limit the band's explorations, both in terms of scope and length.
In fact, if you'll listen to tapes from this period, it was usually Weir who would try to steer a jam back to earth, usually so he could do one of his songs, like "Sugar Magnolia," "One More Saturday Night," or "Around and Round." (Well, in his defense he also did have his own folk-jazz-fusion epic "Weather Report Suite" which, along with "Estimated Prophet," "Born Cross-Eyed," and "Victin Or the Crime," was one of the Dead's best tunes.) I find this to be telling, since Weir was actually let go of in mid-to-late 1968 because Garcia and Lesh (always the co-pilots of the band's exploratory and experimental ethos) felt he was holding them back musically, although in this case it was because of Weir's lack of confidence as a guitarist at that point.
Now as for the '80s Euro bands listed in this thread (Depeche Mode, Erasure, etc.), I've never been a big fan of them, or of hard rock/heavy metal. I prefer more explorational and experimental musics. But another person's tastes are cool with me.
Posted by hott3028 (Member # 3839) on :
right on 2X4, we are just fuckin' around. Vasduten is a cool dude. I hope he's not pissed at me. just some fun at nobody's expense!
Posted by StevenPHH (Member # 3398) on :
I gotta side with CJ on "live after death" (scream for me long beach!!!!!)
But I'm a big fan of punk and hardcore, so my all time favorite is the Bad Brains "the youth are getting restless" live from Amsterdam.
And anything by Morrisey or the Smiths
Posted by 2 X 4 (Member # 2886) on :
Oh yeah, I forgot to add Aretha Franklin's Amazing Grace album, which she recorded in 1972 at her father's church.
Posted by WallStreetBlues (Member # 3691) on :
Hendrix / Band of Gypsys..New Year's Eve '69 NYC
Stones / Get Yer YA YA's OUT
Clapton / EC WAS HERE
Rush / Exit Stage Left
The Rat Pack / Live at the SANDS
Posted by 2 X 4 (Member # 2886) on :
Also, Jimmy Smith, Root Down (Live) Nels Cline and Greg Bendian, Interstellar Space Revisited: The Music of John Coltrane Breakestra, The Live Mix, Vols. I and II Miles Davis, Live In Berlin, 1964
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