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i dont get why foreign people spell favorite with a "U"

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Originally posted by combine_hunter:
As far as Oscar's point goes...there has been a lot of great music since 2000.

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Originally posted by combine_hunter:
I guess it depends on your basis for comparison. Also the genre of music that you're referring to; I don't listen to pop or punk (can't stand either one).

I don't compare Tool or Burnt By The Sun or Mastodon to the great rock bands of the 70's and 80's. The world is different; the way music is created, recorded, promoted, and consumed is entirely different.

Do you listen to metal, btw?

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Sometimes. No dedicated metal bands though.

And about the comparing apples and oranges point you made, yeah I'd agree with that. That's kind of my point to be honest. Nothing can be compared to the complete originality of/within a genre surrounded by the context of the atmosphere it creates if that makes sense. Everything else is just an attempt at re-creating that atmosphere and thus is doomed for failure. You can't try to be that way, it's got to just happen.

I'm a total classic rock nut. I've just recently been getting into punk is all btw.
 

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Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
 
...motherfucker.
 

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Posted by Hal (Member # 3484) on :
 
@ Andy: Aren`t you from the UK? If you`re starting to get into punk then you´re in the right place, mate. Some of the world`s best punk bands come from Britain If you like really intelligent, though-provoking lyrics check out classics like Crass, Conflict, Discharge, Oi Polloi, Snuff, Leatherface, Subhumans, etc. I still listen to those bands today, especially Leatherface and Conflict

-Hal-
 

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Posted by combine_hunter (Member # 39526) on :
 

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I'm a total classic rock nut.

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Posted by FootLongSub Zero (Member # 19380) on :
 
What I think they mean is "At the mo'"... I have a different favorite song almost every second week and it's not my total fave but my "fave at the mo" and not "of all time". Sometimes it's a new song, sometimes it's an old song I haven't heard in ages and these would be the songs I play over and over until I drown it and move onto another.
 

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Posted by diamond johny (Member # 27586) on :
 

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I don't understand how someone could pick just ONE song to be their "favorite". I mean, I've got all sorts of favorites from every band I like. Some bands, I can't even pick a favorite song from individual albums.

Take Rush's Moving Pictures, for example. Every song on there (yes, including "Witch Hunt" and "Vital Signs") is awesome. Or Led Zeppelin II; or Paranoid; or Dark Side of the Moon.

As far as Oscar's point goes...there has been a lot of great music since 2000. I could name some examples, but it would get lengthy.

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Originally posted by FootLongSub Zero:
these would be the songs I play over and over until I drown it and move onto another.

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Originally posted by combine_hunter:
I don't understand how someone could pick just ONE song to be their "favorite". I mean, I've got all sorts of favorites from every band I like. Some bands, I can't even pick a favorite song from individual albums.

Take Rush's Moving Pictures, for example. Every song on there (yes, including "Witch Hunt" and "Vital Signs") is awesome. Or Led Zeppelin II; or Paranoid; or Dark Side of the Moon.

As far as Oscar's point goes...there has been a lot of great music since 2000. I could name some examples, but it would get lengthy.

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Andy, that is correct, like flavour & colour.
I don't know what happened between hear & England.

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Originally posted by Athena K:
So if you listened to 'Ramble On' or 'Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds' or 'Sympathy for the Devil' (or *insert classic rock song here*) 'back in the day' to use your favourite saying, you would have gone "It's ok, I guess, but Glen Miller has been around longer. These shmucks should take a leaf out of his book!"

Crap music is made in every decade. The 70s gave us such classics as The Osmonds, The Partridge Famiy and Wings. Don't diss the modern era. There are still people breaking ground and doig something different, they're just not played on the radio. Go listen to some Aussie hip hop.

And I don't say I necessarily like her music - but Lady Gaga is being just as outrageous, political and sensational as the Punks were. Only, the original punks are too old to realise it.
(And the new punks are too stubborn)

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Originally posted by combine_hunter:
I don't understand how someone could pick just ONE song to be their "favorite". I mean, I've got all sorts of favorites from every band I like. Some bands, I can't even pick a favorite song from individual albums.

Take Rush's Moving Pictures, for example. Every song on there (yes, including "Witch Hunt" and "Vital Signs") is awesome. Or Led Zeppelin II; or Paranoid; or Dark Side of the Moon.

As far as Oscar's point goes...there has been a lot of great music since 2000. I could name some examples, but it would get lengthy.

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Also- hey ..Athena.I hope you are only referring to Wings post-1976....

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Mmmmm. lol Me too.
 

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Posted by combine_hunter (Member # 39526) on :
 
I didn't think of it that way, Athena.

An example: Keith Richards' iconic riff in "Satisfaction" was meant to be played on a horn, because he was inspired by James Brown's horn section at the time.
 

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Posted by nusuth (Member # 7372) on :
 
punk? classic rock?? PFFFFTTT.. its all utter shit anyway. if you want to talk about timeless and true artistry of music, you are about 100 years too late. you want real music look to mozart, mendel, or bach... hell even stravinsky.

or to put it another way.. as Athena said.. its perspective. punk was a joke in the 70's. madonna was a joke in the 80's... and gaga is kind of a joke now. maybe she still will be in 20 years, but we wont know til then. besides, your idea of timeless is just an opinion. i used to feel the same way and was kind of elitist about music and stuff but opened my mind and realized it's all opinion anyway and it honestly doesnt matter to anyone but yourself. i mean who's to say that your opinion is more right than mine when it comes to the beatles? and who cares?
 

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Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
 

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Originally posted by nusuth:
punk? classic rock?? PFFFFTTT.. its all utter shit anyway. if you want to talk about timeless and true artistry of music, you are about 100 years too late. you want real music look to mozart, mendel, or bach... hell even stravinsky.

or to put it another way.. as Athena said.. its perspective. punk was a joke in the 70's. madonna was a joke in the 80's... and gaga is kind of a joke now. maybe she still will be in 20 years, but we wont know til then. besides, your idea of timeless is just an opinion. i used to feel the same way and was kind of elitist about music and stuff but opened my mind and realized it's all opinion anyway and it honestly doesnt matter to anyone but yourself. i mean who's to say that your opinion is more right than mine when it comes to the beatles? and who cares?

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Well that's a topic-ender XP

If we were to go with that philosophy then no one's political opinion can be counted or opinions on what's morally right and wrong, what's interesting and boring, what's genius and what's madness, good ideas, bad ideas, hobbies...it all should never be talked about/discussed if put under that veil.

Opinions make the world go 'round bruddah.

Bloody guys who meet their ladies online

Edit: Punk was a joke in the 70s? Never heard that one...perhaps in the 80s.
 

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Posted by FootLongSub Zero (Member # 19380) on :
 
Alot of you seem to seem to have a deep sense of culture when it comes to music. Mainstream pop music is what I grew up with, whatever was playing mainstream tv/radio at that time. What I consider music is more on a shollower level, usually baised on a few factors;

- Whatever sounds catchy (like it when I first hear it, usually a simple melody, bassline, or phrase),

- Feeling linkage (having a case of nostalgia)

- Great music video (Some songs that you don't really take notice of until you see the video and can swing your mood. This can also work backwards, you like a song but when you see and don't like the vid, you hate it.)

- Movies (Songs/instrumentals in them)

- Repetativeness (drilled in). This is the one I hate the most, a song you don't like or can't stand but hearing it enough times, you start to like it.

In this sense, most of the music I like would be considered rubbish to most of you, but it floats my boat .
 

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Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
 
"When there are no more categorizations; when there are no more 'n****rs', no more 'whites', when there`s just 'people', you know, when there`s no more "punks" when there`s no more 'dirt', that is when everything is gonna be OK." - Sid Vicious

How is that not more powerful than fucking "Gaga ooh la la" or whatever other shit has been produced in the last 20 years?

[ January 13, 2011, 03:08 PM: Message edited by: Andy-Laa ]
 

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Posted by nusuth (Member # 7372) on :
 

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If we were to go with that philosophy then no one's political opinion can be counted or opinions on what's morally right and wrong, what's interesting and boring, what's genius and what's madness, good ideas, bad ideas, hobbies...it all should never be talked about/discussed if put under that veil.

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comparing people's opinion on moral values or situation is a far cry from music. i agree that different opinions make the world a varied and interesting place.. what i argue against is the judgmental tones these opinions take. when one devalues someone else's opinions, that's when conflict begins. condemning a decade or more of music because it doesn't meet your arbitrary standards and invalidating other's opinion is an invitation for an argument.. not a discussion. if you are looking for a discussion, you need to make a less inflammatory comment.
 

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Posted by combine_hunter (Member # 39526) on :
 
So saying punk and classic rock is "utter shit" was meant tongue-in-cheek?

I don't compare rock (and all it's subgenres) to classical, because that's a no-win situation.

It's like trying to convince a Beatles fan that anybody in the past 40 years has written better music. It's bloody impossible.
 

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Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
 

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If we were to go with that philosophy then no one's political opinion can be counted or opinions on what's morally right and wrong, what's interesting and boring, what's genius and what's madness, good ideas, bad ideas, hobbies...it all should never be talked about/discussed if put under that veil.

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comparing people's opinion on moral values or situation is a far cry from music. i agree that different opinions make the world a varied and interesting place.. what i argue against is the judgmental tones these opinions take. when one devalues someone else's opinions, that's when conflict begins. condemning a decade or more of music because it doesn't meet your arbitrary standards and invalidating other's opinion is an invitation for an argument.. not a discussion. if you are looking for a discussion, you need to make a less inflammatory comment.

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So saying punk and classic rock is "utter shit" was meant tongue-in-cheek?

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absolutely. i grew up with classic rock and it still has a place on my music list. punk.. not so much.

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I'm an outspoken guy. I'm from Liverpool. It's kinda the way here...Someone feels strongly enough they can call me all the names under the sun if they like - I don't give a shit. It's people who have these strong opinions that can make a difference - even if only with small stuff.

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how interesting. you make an argument online about music and call it pushing boundaries. gaga does it with music and videos distributed worldwide promoting acceptance of sexual preferences and individuality and it's rubbish. i wonder who will make a difference.
 

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Posted by combine_hunter (Member # 39526) on :
 
Thanks for clearing that up, nusuth.

I grew up with grunge, I guess. Then I started listening to Rush after picking up the guitar. The rest is history.
 

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Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
 

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absolutely. i grew up with classic rock and it still has a place on my music list. punk.. not so much.

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I'm an outspoken guy. I'm from Liverpool. It's kinda the way here...Someone feels strongly enough they can call me all the names under the sun if they like - I don't give a shit. It's people who have these strong opinions that can make a difference - even if only with small stuff.

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exactly. hitler had very strong opinions and his impact was pretty world wide. my point is, bully for you for being so opinionated and having the confidence to express it, but try to do it in a way that wont demean other people and encourages an exchange of ideas. making people feel defensive and belittled most times will not result in an intelligent conversation. there is a huge difference between arguments and discussions. a debate requires respect and an open mind. an argument is banging your head into a wall.

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Freedom of speech is sound and I like to push boundaries.

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how interesting. you make an argument online about music and call it pushing boundaries. gaga does it with music and videos distributed worldwide promoting acceptance of sexual preferences and individuality and it's rubbish. i wonder who will make a difference.

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I'm not claiming to be a visionary. I just don't believe in molly-coddling people over a thing thing such as music. Let everyone have their say and let them say it how they want - it's not like I'm shitting the bed if someone's going to say I'm wrong. I provide what supporting evidence is at hand, so my statements aren't just baseless.

And I heard on QI that the person who mentions Hitler in a debate/argument/whatever you want to call it is considered to have instantly lost because you really can apply that man to any situation in any context. Mentioning him is irrelevant to a vast majority of things. A very good example I can use is one of his quotes (I can't directly remember it, so I'll paraphrase it):

"If one takes away a man's freedom outright, then that man will fight back. If one removes minute freedoms over a long period of time until there are none left,that man wont remember what freedom is" - it was something very similar to that, I apologise for it not being the proper quote.

You're telling me how I should say something - trying to take away that minute freedom I had. I'd say that's closer to Hitler were I that way inclined (my point being mentioning him is pointless, not you're trying to take away my freedoms btw).

I'm fairly certain that the majority of (non-religious) people kind of accept homosexuals/people who practise "different" sexual acts nowadays - I don't really think Gaga is the leader in sexual equality if I'm totally honest. Bit like me singing a song about people who lie in on Sundays...who cares? And if you're a violent anti-gay prick, a song you hear on the radio about it isn't going to change you...

And I'm one to believe everybody deserves respect; I don't believe myself to be superior or inferior to anyone - got mates from all socio-economic backgrounds and all different opinions/music tastes. I'm not exaggerating when I say my *best* mate and I have essentially zero in common, especially politically. And he wanks over Gaga.

EDIT: in fact, scrap that last point - the woman I love more than ANYTHING, Athena, disagrees with me about this stuff haha. I don't look down on her because of it.

If someone doesn't like my opinions, then don't read them, ignore them or counter them. The latter is preferred, so as to spark something interesting and possibly worthwhile (look at what we're doing now).

Increase the peace.



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Posted by combine_hunter (Member # 39526) on :
 
I don't think there's anything wrong with telling people to be more respectful. Nusuth isn't trying to restrict your freedom of expression; he's trying to keep you from coming off like a flaming asshole.

Second, you say you don't believe you're superior to anyone, yet in the last week or two there have been a couple examples where you imply that the British are "better" (or smarter, or whatever) than Americans.

Something tells me that if you think Brits > Americans, you're including yourself, too. So I'm calling bullshit.
 

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Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
 

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I don't think there's anything wrong with telling people to be more respectful. Nusuth isn't trying to restrict your freedom of expression; he's trying to keep you from coming off like a flaming asshole.

Second, you say you don't believe you're superior to anyone, yet in the last week or two there have been a couple examples where you imply that the British are "better" (or smarter, or whatever) than Americans.

Something tells me that if you think Brits > Americans, you're including yourself, too. So I'm calling bullshit.

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My comment was based on your un-edited post.

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That's not what I said.

You edited your post to make your point clearer, right? Before the edit, it wasn't as clear. That's all.

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Oh fuck - ha. Thank god that's what you meant. Yes. Sorry about that - misunderstanding.

My bad.

Have I made it fully clear now btw?
 

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Posted by combine_hunter (Member # 39526) on :
 
Believe me, Andy, if I thought you were a liar, I'd call you a liar!
 

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Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
 

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Believe me, Andy, if I thought you were a liar, I'd call you a liar!

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My penis is 999999999999999999999999999999999.9recurring inches long.

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Athena's gonna own you again.
 

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Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
 

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My penis is 999999999999999999999999999999999.9recurring inches long.

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Well I'm posting FJ pictures in about 10 lol so I suppose you'll see it's only 12" :/
 

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Posted by combine_hunter (Member # 39526) on :
 
I dunno...I tend to look at those with one eye open.
 

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Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
 
You know what, me too lol

But they're hugely popular here, so why not?

Btw - listening to Aladdin's "Whole New World" atm. Yeah. I knew that'd fuck you up
 

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Posted by Keyfeet (Member # 27313) on :
 
not really sure where the convo has gone.

but to get it back on track, how can you say that there hasnt been good music this decade? my favorite song is 'hey ya' by outkast, and that song is 8 years old. but i also more current songs too like 'tik tok'.

and there have been so many incredible artists that have emerged in the past decade or so.

eminem, 50 cent, lil wayne, drake, kanye west, t.i. the list goes on.
 

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Posted by combine_hunter (Member # 39526) on :
 

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not really sure where the convo has gone.

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not really sure where the convo has gone.

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We took it off the rails. Got a problem with that?

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got a problem with that? what is with the hostility? we are not hostile people.

lets not how about more
 

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Posted by diamond johny (Member # 27586) on :
 
I think any decent, civilized westerner should have this on their top ten:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtfrJoZX4cE
 

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Posted by combine_hunter (Member # 39526) on :
 

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You're right; it's just me.

To Johny's point: My favorite Beethoven piece is the Pathetique Sonata, First Movement. I'll have to take a listen to the 9th Symphony; though I prefer C minor to D minor.

C minor is just so...evil-sounding. I write in that key on guitar all the time.
 

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Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
 
I'm a fan of Adagio for strings

And, Keyfeet, I put specific boxes to tick as to what I would consider outstanding music - social context, deeper meaning etc. Modern music just doesn't seem to have that any more.
 

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Posted by nusuth (Member # 7372) on :
 
just to clarify things, nothing i said was said with malice. i enjoy a damn good discussion.. but i also am disappointed when someone resorts to arbitrary or derogatory statements. oh, and Andy and i have talked a few times and i do respect him.. altho lately with the fake moon landing shit and now this.. i am starting to wonder if he's been wanking it to too many Athena pics with no real contact and going a bit mad.

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And I heard on QI that the person who mentions Hitler in a debate/argument/whatever you want to call it is considered to have instantly lost because you really can apply that man to any situation in any context.

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ok, how about if change that whole paragraph and use GW Bush? he had alot of ideas and opinions and look what he accomplished. now perhaps you can refute that.

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You're telling me how I should say something - trying to take away that minute freedom I had.

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You're telling me how I should say something - trying to take away that minute freedom I had.

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omg, are you serious!?!?!? lmfao.. try mentioned guys feet in the main forum and you'll be torn to shreds. hell, as i have discussed plenty of times, my wife and i are swingers and you cant get much more open than that, right? well everything is well and dandy unless someone mentions guy on guy and watch the guys freak.

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the woman I love more than ANYTHING, Athena, disagrees with me about this stuff haha. I don't look down on her because of it.

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sorry but when you are telling us that you think the music that we like is rubbish and has no value and is a passing fad.. somehow, i dont think that is said with alot of respect. hard to trash someone else's tastes and then say.. but i dont judge you for it. :laigh:
 

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Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
 
You misunderstood my point in writing it’s an infringement of my rights. It was not a statement; it was an example. I clarified that in brackets after it. Context, context, context.

Bush had ideas? Huh.

[Moon landing – you’re unwilling to accept it *could* be faked. I can accept the possibility I could be wrong with that one, but I can’t find it in myself to believe it wasn’t at this moment in time, with the evidence provided – the link you dropped in that thread was very interesting and it did clear some of it up. Not all of it though in my opinion – last we’ll say about that for now.]

And, well come up with examples of songs of this decade that have had a major impact (equal to or greater than songs past). Base it on social context, social impact, political meaning, deeper lyrical meaning and the context of the time it was written and produced in.

I’ll go with:
Bob Dylan – Tambourine Man
The Beatles – Let It Be
The Beatles – All You Need Is Love
The Beatles – Helter Skelter
The Beatles – Revolution
Sex Pistols – Anarchy In The UK
John Lennon – Imagine

And this is just me off the top of my head, I’d imagine you’d have to really search for yours (but then again, I don’t know if you will have to). It’s important to also note that this was the first time these topics had been covered in such a way. Harder to start something than it is to copy it 2 or 3 decades later.

Just that I have evidence to back it up is the main reason I’m so adamant: Rolling Stone Magazine’s 500 most influential/greatest songs of all time. It was revised in May 2010 to add to 2000s 0.2% of the total songs.

Decade Number of songs Percentage
1940s 2 0.4%
1950s 69 13.8%
1960s 195 39%
1970s 131 26.2%
1980s 55 11%
1990s 21 4.2%
2000s 27 5.4%

Note how damn close to 2/3 of the songs are from 1960-1979 from a GENERAL rock magazine – it doesn’t have leanings towards specific decades or genres – it reviews current music and (as far as I’m aware) is quite a political magazine proving it would have the relevant info as to the impact songs have on a society within the context of the time they were produced.

Plus…would I really have got a better response if I’d put “I don’t like modern music, but I know a lot of people do and that’s all right. Okay thank you, sorry to impose on you”? Bold statements, bold answers – I’m always ready to be proven wrong.

Only I could know if I looked down upon someone and I'm upset you think I do, but it's just basically "you are" "I'm not" "yes you are" "no I'm not"...so idk. I think it's become pretty clear over the years that I'm not really a deceitful person - I'm pretty straight - maybe you think overly so, but that's got to count for something when I say I am not lying surely?
 

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Posted by jn (Member # 399) on :
 
Great thread.

Here's what is in my rotation--an example anyway.

Dead Boys - Ain't It Fun
The Smithereens - Beyond The wall of Sleep
Blue Oyster Cult - I Love the Night
Replacements - Answering Machine
Egyptian Lover - Egypt Egypt
 

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Posted by foot_sniffer (Member # 36272) on :
 
Well some of this thread I gave the tl;dr treatment. But I gathered that at somepoint someone thought that people who's 'favorite' songs change regularly are quite annoying, which I agree with. The songs I do consider on that list don't really change, and I doubt will. I couldn't pick one favorite song either, way to hard, but I'd consider these at the very top of the list, and in no particular order:

The Unforgiven ~ Metallica
I am the Highway ~ Audioslave
White Shadows ~ Coldplay
Like a Stone ~ Audioslave
Nothing Else Matters ~ Metallica
Fix You ~ Coldplay
High Hopes ~ Pink Floyd
Hanuman ~ Rodrigo Y Gabriela
 

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Posted by nusuth (Member # 7372) on :
 
Sorry Andy, but i just dont buy that as a concrete argument. its all arbitrary. you are judging a good song based on its 'major impact' and social context.. to me, i couldnt give two shits as to whether a song i like has any social context, any deeper meaning, blah blah. that criteria is what you feel is important to you. to me, if i like the way it sounds, thats all that matters to me.. and for it be a 'good' song, i have to still like it a couple of years later. i personally can not stand hearing bob dylans voice and i think squeezing a goat could produce a sound comparable to his voice and to me, the sound of a song is so much more important than the depth of its lyrics. if i want something deep, i'll read a book.

i mean if we use your points, that abortion of a song 'Don't They Know It's Christmas' by Band Aid should be in your top songs of all time. it brought world wide awareness to famine in ethiopia and raised millions. how can you have much more impact than that? oddly enough that song has been voted one of the worst songs of all time by more than a couple of critics and publications.

using rolling stone as 'evidence' is similar to using the bible to back up the existence of god. why should their opinions matter to me or carry any more weight than mine? because they write for a magazine? they are human with their own tastes and biases and faults. why not use kerrang's list of top songs of all time? are their opinions any less meaningful?

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would I really have got a better response if I’d put “I don’t like modern music, but I know a lot of people do and that’s all right. Okay thank you, sorry to impose on you”? Bold statements, bold answers – I’m always ready to be proven wrong.

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hmmm.. not sure where i said anywhere that you should act like a pussy for making a statement and then apologize all i was saying is that you leave no room to any one else's opinion.. and you claim to respect others opinions but when you make black and white statements such as.. my music is the best and the rest is all rubbish and stupid (yes i am paraphrasing AND exaggerating ).. it sure doesnt sound like there is any respect there. you might respect the person but i dont see how you can respect their opinions and taste. if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

speaking of ducks.. none of this is meant ruffle feathers. i am trying to engage you in a discussion. i mean its really nice that you have such a strong opinion on your musical tastes but asking others to justify theirs by your standards.. kind of a useless exercise to others.
 

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Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
 

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Originally posted by nusuth:
Sorry Andy, but i just dont buy that as a concrete argument. its all arbitrary. you are judging a good song based on its 'major impact' and social context.. to me, i couldnt give two shits as to whether a song i like has any social context, any deeper meaning, blah blah. that criteria is what you feel is important to you. to me, if i like the way it sounds, thats all that matters to me.. and for it be a 'good' song, i have to still like it a couple of years later. i personally can not stand hearing bob dylans voice and i think squeezing a goat could produce a sound comparable to his voice and to me, the sound of a song is so much more important than the depth of its lyrics. if i want something deep, i'll read a book.

i mean if we use your points, that abortion of a song 'Don't They Know It's Christmas' by Band Aid should be in your top songs of all time. it brought world wide awareness to famine in ethiopia and raised millions. how can you have much more impact than that? oddly enough that song has been voted one of the worst songs of all time by more than a couple of critics and publications.

using rolling stone as 'evidence' is similar to using the bible to back up the existence of god. why should their opinions matter to me or carry any more weight than mine? because they write for a magazine? they are human with their own tastes and biases and faults. why not use kerrang's list of top songs of all time? are their opinions any less meaningful?

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would I really have got a better response if I’d put “I don’t like modern music, but I know a lot of people do and that’s all right. Okay thank you, sorry to impose on you”? Bold statements, bold answers – I’m always ready to be proven wrong.

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hmmm.. not sure where i said anywhere that you should act like a pussy for making a statement and then apologize all i was saying is that you leave no room to any one else's opinion.. and you claim to respect others opinions but when you make black and white statements such as.. my music is the best and the rest is all rubbish and stupid (yes i am paraphrasing AND exaggerating ).. it sure doesnt sound like there is any respect there. you might respect the person but i dont see how you can respect their opinions and taste. if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

speaking of ducks.. none of this is meant ruffle feathers. i am trying to engage you in a discussion. i mean its really nice that you have such a strong opinion on your musical tastes but asking others to justify theirs by your standards.. kind of a useless exercise to others.

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I feel a fool for not mentioning the fact that I do listen to and enjoy SOME modern music. I'm quite a fan of Blur, for example. But their songs cannot be considered outstanding at all, and what I am talking about is outstanding music. The genre (technically a period of time, but referred to as a genre) classical was outstanding music.

The dawning of a new musical age and [near enough] a completely new genre being created - and for the first time - was outstanding.

Without old shit, you wouldn't have the new shit you're defending now. Starting blocks have more impact then refinement of pre-existing material.

And I mentioned Rolling Stone magazine because it is a general music magazine. It promotes Gaga as much as it did Zeppelin. And it sees that she's talented, yes, but not nearly in the same league.

You raise a very interesting point, I have to say about Band Aid. My personal view on it would be that they were really trying hard to make something big. I think if you try, it just isn't going to happen. Seems to be the case time and time again. Outstanding music just happens. Exceptions to every rule and all.

I heard Cream split up because the universe couldn't handle that much talent and awesomeness in one band.

[EDIT: and I'm just explaining my standards of rating it. From this I can deduce that this is one of the worst decades of music. That's where my opinion comes from]

AND THERE IS RESPECT YOU PENIS-GOBBLER!!

muhahaha.

[ January 18, 2011, 06:27 PM: Message edited by: Andy-Laa ]
 

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Posted by combine_hunter (Member # 39526) on :
 

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Originally posted by Andy-Laa:
I heard Cream split up because the universe couldn't handle that much talent and awesomeness in one band.

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Close enough.

So it wasn't "personal/artistic differences", or that usual tripe?
 

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Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
 

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Originally posted by combine_hunter:

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Originally posted by Andy-Laa:
I heard Cream split up because the universe couldn't handle that much talent and awesomeness in one band.

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Close enough.

So it wasn't "personal/artistic differences", or that usual tripe?

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No-no. Non-existant God actually beamed light down on them while they were jamming "Tales Of Brave Ulysses" and said: "Thou shalt not rock so hardeth, lest thine very existence be tainted due to thine magnitude being greater than I, the lord, your God!" he said "Go now, and never look back"

Then Clapton did "Tears in Heaven" in the early 90s and God died.

True dat.



I actually looked into how much it would be to get him to play at my wedding...it said for stars as big as him between $5-10 million

[ January 18, 2011, 07:15 PM: Message edited by: Andy-Laa ]
 

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Posted by nusuth (Member # 7372) on :
 

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Without old shit, you wouldn't have the new shit you're defending now. Starting blocks have more impact then refinement of pre-existing material.

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you are not getting this at all. i am not defending new music, old music, any music. i am defending the right of everyone to have their own tastes and not have to convince you otherwise.. especially since you are not even open to the idea that someone else might have a valid perspective. as i have said before, we cant 'defend' our tastes by your arbitrary standards and i personal dont want to nor care to. my first post on this topic pretty much summed it up. by using my standards your 'old shit' is just plain old shit if you look at classical music. so perhaps you should be defending your new fangled electric fad.

but i forgive you because i remember when i was in your age and felt that i needed to stand up and shout my viewpoints because i was always right. someday you'll probably calm down and open your mind up and realize that just because someone doesnt have the same opinions, it doesnt mean that they are wrong
 

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Posted by PublicName (Member # 12270) on :
 
I find when someone says "This is my favo(u)rite song," it's usually referring to a short time period..like a week, or something like that.

I've had plenty of favorites, sometimes I like a specific song or even group/album much more than another and I'll listen to it on repeat for days or sometimes weeks.

People usually call something their favorite because they heard the song while something special was happening, or they were just in a good mood when it came on and it made it better somehow. Some songs/albums/artists/even genres can set a mood to be just "right" and when you hear it again another time, it reminds you of that time, and you remember it just being..awesome. So when you hear it again and it puts you back in that mindset, remembering what happened before and you just feel good. Of course this can happen with sad things or things that made you angry, or just whatever. A lot of people have stories behind a lot of songs they like and I don't understand your topic saying what it says.

But your post was different(@OP, Andy). Of course your favorite bands are going to be your favorite bands until you die, if not the entirety of them being around, then at least a specific time period(saying this using Metallica, for example, since a lot of people will say "Oh, I like old Metallica, but not the new stuff)."


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People will basically call something their favorite because they really like that song at one specific time, next week they're probably going to enjoy another song more than that one.


I enjoy absolutely all kinds of music and I constantly find more groups/albums/songs which I enjoy, so everything is mood dependent for me.
 

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Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
 

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Originally posted by nusuth:
you are not getting this at all. i am not defending new music, old music, any music. i am defending the right of everyone to have their own tastes and not have to convince you otherwise..

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Originally posted by PublicName:
I find when someone says "This is my favo(u)rite song," it's usually referring to a short time period..like a week, or something like that.

I've had plenty of favorites, sometimes I like a specific song or even group/album much more than another and I'll listen to it on repeat for days or sometimes weeks.

People usually call something their favorite because they heard the song while something special was happening, or they were just in a good mood when it came on and it made it better somehow. Some songs/albums/artists/even genres can set a mood to be just "right" and when you hear it again another time, it reminds you of that time, and you remember it just being..awesome. So when you hear it again and it puts you back in that mindset, remembering what happened before and you just feel good. Of course this can happen with sad things or things that made you angry, or just whatever. A lot of people have stories behind a lot of songs they like and I don't understand your topic saying what it says.

But your post was different(@OP, Andy). Of course your favorite bands are going to be your favorite bands until you die, if not the entirety of them being around, then at least a specific time period(saying this using Metallica, for example, since a lot of people will say "Oh, I like old Metallica, but not the new stuff)."


tl;dr
People will basically call something their favorite because they really like that song at one specific time, next week they're probably going to enjoy another song more than that one.


I enjoy absolutely all kinds of music and I constantly find more groups/albums/songs which I enjoy, so everything is mood dependent for me.

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Thank you for the "u"

And yeah, this topic went off in a bit of a tangent,which is fine - it's all related - the main point was use yoo werdz wisely. Then it digressed...
 

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Posted by nusuth (Member # 7372) on :
 

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Well if all that's the case, then don't even look at a topic you don't want to talk about would be the strongest argument. The point of this is strong discussion which it has sparked.

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ummm.. yeah oh wait:

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Freedom of speech is sound and I like to push boundaries.

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If someone doesn't like my opinions, then don't read them, ignore them or counter them. The latter is preferred, so as to spark something interesting and possibly worthwhile (look at what we're doing now).

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my favourites will remain my favourites until I die.

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a statement like that illustrates to me that you arent open to differing opinions. BTW, that is rather shortsighted. unless you die tomorrow, you have no idea what you will like when you are (hopefully) 70, 80, 90 YO. andy, you're what? in your early 20's? i guarantee you will not feel that way at 40. unfortunately, i speak from experience hell in the 5 years i was attending university my musical tastes broadened from rush, the doors, led zeppelin, the who, judas priest, metallica, jethro tull, and the like to bands like cocteau twins, ministry, the smiths, sarah mclachlan, poe, garbage, fishbone, big audio dynamite, radiohead and more. trust me.. you will grow as a person and your musical preferences will probably grow as well
 

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Posted by combine_hunter (Member # 39526) on :
 
Actually, you can look it as an invitation, nusuth.

An invitation to bash him in the skull.

OK, so maybe that's not what Andy intended (or is it? You tell me, Andy)...but it's something.

EDIT: Yes, I'm kidding about bashing him in the skull.
 

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Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
 

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Originally posted by nusuth:
thats my exact point Andy!!! why would anyone want to talk about when your attitude is: "you're wrong. modern music has no substance." you dont really offer any wiggle room. it's more of a statement and not an invitation to trade viewpoints and perspective.

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my favourites will remain my favourites until I die.

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a statement like that illustrates to me that you arent open to differing opinions. BTW, that is rather shortsighted. unless you die tomorrow, you have no idea what you will like when you are (hopefully) 70, 80, 90 YO. andy, you're what? in your early 20's? i guarantee you will not feel that way at 40. unfortunately, i speak from experience hell in the 5 years i was attending university my musical tastes broadened from rush, the doors, led zeppelin, the who, judas priest, metallica, jethro tull, and the like to bands like cocteau twins, ministry, the smiths, sarah mclachlan, poe, garbage, fishbone, big audio dynamite, radiohead and more. trust me.. you will grow as a person and your musical preferences will probably grow as well

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Originally posted by combine_hunter:
Actually, you can look it as an invitation, nusuth.

An invitation to bash him in the skull.

OK, so maybe that's not what Andy intended (or is it? You tell me, Andy)...but it's something.

EDIT: Yes, I'm kidding about bashing him in the skull.

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Errr what might not be my intention? People to counter my points? Was totally my intention actually.

Unless you mean being derogatory to a group of people, in which case, was not my intent and I don't believe was the result either. I don't think nusth *does* feel that way, he's just fighting the case for them. Seeing as none have claimed to have been put down by me, I'm assuming they don't exist...it'd take one touchy bastard to be genuinely offended by this.

[ January 19, 2011, 04:28 PM: Message edited by: Andy-Laa ]
 

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Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
 

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Originally posted by Hal:
@ Andy: Aren`t you from the UK? If you`re starting to get into punk then you´re in the right place, mate. Some of the world`s best punk bands come from Britain

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Originally posted by combine_hunter:
Getting bashed in the skull.

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Ahh.

Well it's my other fetish
 

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Posted by combine_hunter (Member # 39526) on :
 

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Originally posted by Andy-Laa:
I would HOPE the majority would say some of the world's best bands full-stop.

At least a lot of the timeless stuff is - the "flavour-of-the-month" stuff - on the most part seems to be American. But that one is not based on anything other than what I see of it, I suppose.

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Originally posted by Andy-Laa:
I would HOPE the majority would say some of the world's best bands full-stop.

At least a lot of the timeless stuff is - the "flavour-of-the-month" stuff - on the most part seems to be American. But that one is not based on anything other than what I see of it, I suppose.

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Some, yes.

I think we get your point vis-a-vis US vs. England.

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Lol I hate broken, racist, jobless England. Can't get around the fact a large proportion of what is considered the most talented/well-written/iconic/whatever else music is British. I am in no way patriotic - that's almost an offensive label to put on me...
 

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Posted by combine_hunter (Member # 39526) on :
 
Fair enough.

Lest we forget, Gavin Rossdale.

I'm sure there are more...he's just the first one that comes to mind.
 

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Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
 

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Originally posted by combine_hunter:
Fair enough.

Lest we forget, Gavin Rossdale.

I'm sure there are more...he's just the first one that comes to mind.

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I *think* I'm glad I don't know who he is...
 

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Posted by combine_hunter (Member # 39526) on :
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_Rossdale

I don't believe you don't know who he is. Patriot.
 

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Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
 
Wow it's been a while since I had a chance to properly look at Wu's.

I still have no clue, Combine...oh wellz.

and lol nusth...you devious man
(referring to me saying you wouldn't respond if it wasn't interesting and you no longer responding).
 

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Posted by FootLongSub Zero (Member # 19380) on :
 
Been absent for a few weeks and too lazy to read and catch up on this thread.... Just gonna butt in with
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16MmxCfhbOU&feature=related
 

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