I just watched a doco Nostradamus 2012 on youtube and according to the prophecies, the wolds gonna end Dec 21 2012. I know about a month-or-so ago, someone else had a prediction that did not happen as stated on Andy's previous thred ...The end is nigh...
Watchin' that and seening the recent natural disasters around the world, climate change, plummenting world wide economy.... could this be true?
Whadda you think?
Posted by FtLckr26 (Member # 13998) on :
The same guy that said the world was going to end last month, said his calculations were wrong. Now he says it will end in October.
As for the world ending in 2012, I don't think it will. Supposedly, the world should have ended many times in the past by plenty of other prophecies, yet it hasn't.
Posted by combine_hunter (Member # 39526) on :
Nostradamus? I thought it was the Mayans that "predicted the end" to occur in 2012.
Anyway, I'm with FtLckr on this one. Much ado about nothing.
Posted by Toetapper (Member # 6473) on :
There is no evidence that the Earth is in any immediate peril.
Prophets and their prophecies are notoriously elliptical and vague as well as laughably inaccurate.
One "prophet" of my acquaintance, made a prediction - a few years ago - that in the next Hurricane season seven "catastrophic hurricanes would make landfall on the Eastern Seaboard". At the end of the season, not one hurricane touched the U.S.A. When I mentioned this, he told me that he really meant earthquakes around the Ring of Fire - that's in the Pacific. For what it's worth, there weren't that many catastrophic earthquakes that year, either.
Still, he is convinced that he is 100% accurate. This is how prophets become successful.
From another perspective, the world "as we know it" ends a few times a decade with the advance of technology; some of which seems almost miraculous to me.
Posted by The_FJCruiser (Member # 6007) on :
The Bible says no one knows the day nor the hour, not even the angels. Without getting into a religious debate I don't think anyone knows when the world is going to end and all these quacks that think they do need to reread their Bibles. Matthew 24:11 says "Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many." Bottom line is nobody knows. And regardless what are you going to do if it does?
Posted by FtLckr26 (Member # 13998) on :
I don't think the Mayans predicted the end of the world in 2012. Its just that, that's when their calendar ended. It doesn't say, "last day, 12/21/2012".
Posted by bluetoelover (Member # 14736) on :
The "world" ends when you die.
Posted by combine_hunter (Member # 39526) on :
quote:Originally posted by FtLckr26: I don't think the Mayans predicted the end of the world in 2012. Its just that, that's when their calendar ended. It doesn't say, "last day, 12/21/2012".
Yeah, you're right. I misspoke in my previous post.
Posted by stapler (Member # 42599) on :
the world ends everyday and everynight because everyday, every minute, every second, the world changes and with that change a new world has emerged.
besides if 2o12 is the end then Ill be with the rest of my foot fetishists in the after life chillin and talkin about the best toes and soles
Posted by FootLongSub Zero (Member # 19380) on :
quote:Originally posted by stapler: the world ends everyday and everynight because everyday, every minute, every second, the world changes and with that change a new world has emerged.
Holy shit, I like this perspective. I'm gonna write this one donwn. Posted by nusuth (Member # 7372) on :
quote:The Bible says no one knows the day nor the hour, not even the angels. Without getting into a religious debate I don't think anyone knows when the world is going to end and all these quacks that think they do need to reread their Bibles. Matthew 24:11 says "Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many."
seriously? you are going to quote the bible as evidence??? Posted by LeDaemon (Member # 198) on :
quote:Originally posted by FtLckr26: I don't think the Mayans predicted the end of the world in 2012. Its just that, that's when their calendar ended. It doesn't say, "last day, 12/21/2012".
I always tell people that too. My calendar only goes to 12/31 of whatever year we're in. I'm guessing the Mayan's civilization ended before their new calendar was completed by the guy carving it.
Posted by Swafneis (Member # 40492) on :
Doomsday Party!!!!
Posted by foot_sniffer (Member # 36272) on :
The Mayans never said the world will end on 12/21/2012, it's just that's when they stopped there calender. It was bound to happen some day, I mean how far out you expect those guys to work things out before having enough? Nostradamus, yeah like all the other prophets he was probably just trolling everyone Then there are the people that thing a planet the size of Neptune is going to come fuck our shit up. Hopefully no one here believes that. If you do, something you might want to consider is that when the actual planet Neptune was discovered in the 19th century, it wasn't discovered by someone directly observing it, it was discovered by how it's gravity affected other observable objects. This was with 1800s telescopes, and no computers. I think if a planet that size was coming for some surprise cosmic butt sex, and was only a year and a half out, we'd know. And as for natural disasters and climate change, well disasters and a changing climate are the norm and nothing new on this 4.5 billion year old dot.
Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
lol I wrote an article about it (which I won't insult you with by spamming it on the forum) but yeah, there's been around about...maybe 50 documented predictions of the "end" so far...don't bother worrying. If it is, nothing that can be done. If it isn't, then...well we know it isn't
Just to note, btw: the Mayan prediction was never predicted *by* the Mayans - it's just when they died out and therefore stopped doing their calendar. Interpretation an' all that.
Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :
quote:Originally posted by nusuth:
quote:The Bible says no one knows the day nor the hour, not even the angels. Without getting into a religious debate I don't think anyone knows when the world is going to end and all these quacks that think they do need to reread their Bibles. Matthew 24:11 says "Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many."
seriously? you are going to quote the bible as evidence???
Better than crackpots like Harold Camping or a tribe of ancient dart blowers in south America could come up with. Prophecy wise, it's the only book that was 100% accurate so far...it's just been mis-interpreted over the years.
Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
quote:Originally posted by nusuth:
quote:The Bible says no one knows the day nor the hour, not even the angels. Without getting into a religious debate I don't think anyone knows when the world is going to end and all these quacks that think they do need to reread their Bibles. Matthew 24:11 says "Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many."
seriously? you are going to quote the bible as evidence???
This guyyyy!
Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
quote:Originally posted by Wrinklesguy: Prophecy wise, it's the only book that was 100% accurate so far...it's just been mis-interpreted over the years.
I dread to ask what this refers to...
Posted by combine_hunter (Member # 39526) on :
Circular reasoning is awesome. Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :
If you're out of the loop, then you don't understand...and you just envy the possibilities inside the circle. Back to topic though, your post is a red herring for the topic matter anyway.Funny how you are so quick to take action against such an old, fake, fairy tale book there Andy, I guess if it didn't have any power in what it said you wouldn't be so hostile to it lol.
And it's previous version (obviously edited after...the end of the world *didn't* happen).
I don't know the ins and outs of the establishment of a nation and whether or not "In the twenty-fifth year of our captivity, in the beginning of the year, on the tenth of the month, in the fourteenth year after that the city was smitten, on that same day..." means May 14, 1948 at midnight, taking into account time zones, different lengths of Jewish calendar years and modern-day calendar years and such. I'm sure it can be interpreted that way. But what can't?
I know no one knows the exact date(s) the Bible was written and whether the things they refer to with dates (which is incredibly few and far between) were the actual dates.
I also know that there are a LOT of things proven fundamentally factually incorrect by science:
I mean that's not even getting into the fact that nowhere outside of the Bible has it ever been documented that Jews were slaves of Egyptians nor has any - and I mean ANY - evidence of however many million Jews (the numbers vary from about 2 million to maybe 6) wandering around in the desert for 40 years or that Adam supposedly lived for something like 400 years or...
Believe in God, just don't believe in one of the most flawed texts in history.
[ June 29, 2011, 01:42 AM: Message edited by: Andy-Laa ]
Posted by Beautifulfeetonline.com (Member # 13717) on :
I think that on a societal level, we cannot continue on our present course. Most of humanity has devolved into a bunch of pompus, selfish fucks.
...But that is just my opinion.
Posted by Fwrinkledsoles (Member # 101) on :
Yes, the world is scewed up with greedy people controlling us as puppets on a string including politicians, religion, our social system, the school system and corporations. However, if it is the end of the world on that day (12/21/12) I would like to be with as many white women wrinkled soles as possible. Because, White Wome wrinkled soles is my GOD.
Posted by combine_hunter (Member # 39526) on :
BFO, I would add "stupid" in there, too. And "short-sighted".
I would argue that selfishness is woven indelibly into our nature, though. We can't wholly escape it while we're alive.
Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
^ the short-sighted part gets me most of all, I mean bypassing all the stuff about global warming and all that, a world run on something that will eventually run out is a scary thought...
(Just as an example).
Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :
You obviously can't see that some of those links are metaphores and were MEANT to be taken as such.. the Israel thing is plain and clear in it's mathmatical accuracy. Like I said, you wouldn't go out of your way to try to "disprove" something you can't disprove if it didn't hold water...only strengthens it's accuracy. Harold Camping obviously doesn't read the Bible, the link is just nonsense...but it gives you talking points which you TOTALLY take out of context...that is laughable. I could do better pointing out atheistic viewpoints.
Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
quote: Harold Camping obviously doesn't read the Bible, the link is just nonsense...
Actually someone (not me) put it as succinctly as I could possibly imagine:
"[Christians], you know how you feel about Harold Camping's prediction? Yeah, that's how we feel about you."
To me, your link is just nonsense.
Posted by Talos (Member # 39913) on :
Zombies!... that is all.
Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :
It's nonsense because you don't like how accurate it is, look..we're not predicting the end of the world here literally since no man knows the hour...it did give us warning signs. Those who are penitant and don't give dire predictions will be those who have credibility. Afterall, you're the one posting the red herrings {as usual} it's about "prophecy", and the thread doesn't even concern you since you don't believe in anything religious concerning anyway.
Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
Do you understand what a red herring is?
Posted by combine_hunter (Member # 39526) on :
quote:Originally posted by Talos: Zombies!... that is all.
You got your arsenal ready? Posted by Talos (Member # 39913) on :
quote:Originally posted by combine_hunter:
quote:Originally posted by Talos: Zombies!... that is all.
You got your arsenal ready?
12 gauge pump and double barrel, Ruger 10/22, .44 magnum, and a 30.06 hunting rifle. I carry a machete next to my driver seat at all times. I plan on using my TomTom to get to Alaska where the zombies would freeze solid before reaching me. Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :
Andy, yes I do..refer back to your post about the "circular logic". When we are discussing something other than general validity that would be a red herring. A diliberate attempt to derail the topic. Well Done..
Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
Okay then.
Sure bud.
Posted by Keyfeet (Member # 27313) on :
i dont get it. its a lose-lose situation. its not like you can say "i told you so" after it happens. and when it doesnt happen, you look like a dick
Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :
It's only lose-lose if you got it coming..
Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
quote:Originally posted by Keyfeet: i dont get it. its a lose-lose situation. its not like you can say "i told you so" after it happens. and when it doesnt happen, you look like a dick
Well a God cannot be disproved at all. Religions can be if one looks at them objectively, but within the religion it is seen as "blasphemy" to question a god, so actual thought is basically frowned upon unless it is in the favour of religion and I for one would certainly argue that that isn't *actual* thought as it's the original form of brainwashing into a shared mindset propagating the power of the Church.
What's the point in believing in a lie? It seems to be centred around the fear of nothingness after death (though no one who believes in a god would *ever* admit that's why).
For me, it's just a way to pass a bit of time and blow off some steam in a rarely, but sometimes, intelligent debate.
Posted by nusuth (Member # 7372) on :
quote:You obviously can't see that some of those links are metaphores and were MEANT to be taken as such.. the Israel thing is plain and clear in it's mathmatical accuracy.
omg. really????? you're resorting to numerology? that's even funnier than the bible. argue all you want but that whole page can be boiled down to numerology. ok tho, we'll pretend that your page is 'fact', care to explain this one? http://www.bible-codes.org/Letters-israel-1948_mirror.htm abraham was born 1,948 years after adam?? if you want to accept this, then we're believing the premise that the earth is only a few thousand years old. uh huh. is that an allegory too? please dont fall back on your silly theory that i'm taking this personally. long ago, i came to terms with the fact that many, many people don't have the emotional and mental strength to accept there is no big man in the sky watching over us and we will have eternal life upon our death. i know that i act in a moral manner because it's the right thing to do, not because i am being watch and judged by my spiritual papa and working on earning my 'get into heaven' card. i realize that when i die, my body will become worm food.. and i am ok with that.
its my personal belief that the dinosaurs wrote the bible and are living on the dark of the moon and waiting for us to falter so they can attack and reclaim the earth. the ice age drove them away and our current global warming pattern has us falling right into their plans. MUAHAHAHAHA. in the interest of full disclosure, i am on their payroll and have been saving all my receipts for full reimbursement when they land on march 8 2014.
Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :
Ah yes, the ad hominem...it's usually Andy, but thanks for proving my earlier point in that if the Bible was so fake and B.S. you wouldn't try to keep disproving it over and over and over...lol you took the bait. Yes the Bible has been re-translated MANY times, there is some questionable stuff but it's also text that is so old and not understood as they wrote it and described it that many generations ago. We're only discussing Prophecy here and that is too easy to prove accurate {after you sift through the attack responses here}.
There is only 6000 years of recordable written human history Nusuth, we're only talking about a certain time frame and it's proven. But you can still say a freight train looks like an aardvark and convince yourself of it if you want but it doesn't change anything. But let's not resort to ad hominems, makes you look bad.An Atheist cannot find God the same way and reason a Theif cannot find a policeman.
[ June 30, 2011, 09:59 AM: Message edited by: Wrinklesguy ]
Posted by nusuth (Member # 7372) on :
quote:There is only 6000 years of recordable written human history Nusuth, we're only talking about a certain time frame and it's proven.
errr.. whats proven? and what is recordable history? is that a value judgment? is history before that not worth recording? perhaps you mean recorded?
i dont think Andy is trying to disprove the bible, god, or religion because i believe he is intelligent enough to know that you can not disprove anything. that plays wonderfully tho into the whole 'you have to have faith' brainwashing. as far as saying that i, as an athiest, can not find god comparing me to a thief avoiding the law is an inaccurate analogy. i had no negative experiences with the church or catholisism. i grew up catholic, attended church weekly for 18 years, was baptized, received communion, and was confirmed. i am well educated about the bible but did not grow up in a strong religious family. my parents believed but did not preach or push. in respect to my parents, i did all these things, but long before i was 18, i was an athiest. in all those years, i did not find thing that made any sense to me and i tried, believe me.
btw, these criticisms of the bible is not an ad hominem and i cant understand why you keep using that word/phrase. please explain what you are referring to. also your comment about convincing yourself that a train looks like an aardvark? umm.. hello? pot meet kettle. Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :
On record, 6000 years. You were catholic, well that explains why you didn't find anything. All the ritual BS and molestations I can see why. The reference was not a jab, it's just a clear and accurate analogy and I am sure it touched home or you wouldn't have mentioned it.
Since you personally can't prove or disprove something doesn't make it real that is why you have free will to accept Truth or not. Also, the train and animal comparison is leyman terminology to paint the picture of how funny his post was.
Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
quote:if the Bible was so fake and B.S. you wouldn't try to keep disproving it over and over and over...lol
quote:it's just a clear and accurate analogy and I am sure it touched home or you wouldn't have mentioned it.
You seem to think that talking about something proves its validity...I don't really understand why.
No one has denied the Bible is powerful. Just that it is false. Dozens of wars, centuries of oppression and brainwashing...that's all pretty powerful.
quote:You were catholic, well that explains why you didn't find anything. All the ritual BS and molestations I can see why.
As opposed to singing to no one, chanting matins, putting your hands together and saying the same thing in unison calling it a prayer, condemning gay people...I think those rituals are just as ridiculous.
quote:Since you personally can't prove or disprove something doesn't make it real
You mean like...a religion? Or God?
quote:that is why you have free will to accept Truth or not.
The choices range between believe and go to Heaven or don't and burn for all eternity. I wouldn't really call that a choice of free will so much as setting people up to fall - example: putting the tree which Adam and Eve can't eat from in with them. Why make that tree? And why blame 2 people who have no concept of right or wrong until they actually *do* something right or wrong?
quote:Also, the train and animal comparison is leyman terminology to paint the picture of how funny his post was.
And believing in a sky-fairy is funny to Atheists. That's all we're saying.
nusth:
quote:btw, these criticisms of the bible is not an ad hominem and i cant understand why you keep using that word/phrase. please explain what you are referring to.
When someone learns a new word...they like to use it.
For example, I have to admit, back when I learned what a "strawman argument" was, I way overused it and in some cases incorrectly. He's been trying to say that everything I say is a "red herring" too.
Having said that, I have noticed him building a few strawmen over our short but illustrious past. I'm sure one's on its way soon.
[ July 01, 2011, 01:29 AM: Message edited by: Andy-Laa ]
Posted by Talos (Member # 39913) on :
quote:And why blame 2 people who have no concept of right or wrong until they actually *do* something right or wrong?
We have the free will to make choices, the universe and the earth are made up of only 2 basic things, a positive and negative, up or down, left or right..no need to explain anymore. Then if there was many choices, then everyone would be right and that is not possible since you can't make your own reality {albeit in your own mind}
quote: When someone learns a new word...they like to use it
Again, the word keeps speaking for itself and it's not a new word. Smugness only invalidates your position.
quote: He's been trying to say that everything I say is a "red herring" too.
Because everything you say in either a political or religious debate is something to derail the topic, soft jab, or invalidate others. When you play with the big boys, you need big wit.
Posted by Wrinklesguy (Member # 732) on :
quote: As opposed to singing to no one, chanting matins, putting your hands together and saying the same thing in unison calling it a prayer, condemning gay people...I think those rituals are just as ridiculous.
You are right on a couple of those, nowhere even in early Christian text did it say to do these ritual, etc..man is flawed, God is not. The gay thing, well..read leviticus...oh but wait, you think the book is trash, nevermind.
Posted by Keyfeet (Member # 27313) on :
quote:Originally posted by Andy-Laa:
quote:Originally posted by Keyfeet: i dont get it. its a lose-lose situation. its not like you can say "i told you so" after it happens. and when it doesnt happen, you look like a dick
Well a God cannot be disproved at all. Religions can be if one looks at them objectively, but within the religion it is seen as "blasphemy" to question a god, so actual thought is basically frowned upon unless it is in the favour of religion and I for one would certainly argue that that isn't *actual* thought as it's the original form of brainwashing into a shared mindset propagating the power of the Church.
What's the point in believing in a lie? It seems to be centred around the fear of nothingness after death (though no one who believes in a god would *ever* admit that's why).
For me, it's just a way to pass a bit of time and blow off some steam in a rarely, but sometimes, intelligent debate.
why did you mention my quote? i never said anything about God.
Posted by Talos (Member # 39913) on :
Maybe someone should cut down the mightiest tree in the forest with a herring... that is red.
[ July 02, 2011, 02:42 AM: Message edited by: Talos ]
Posted by Andy-Laa (Member # 31511) on :
quote:Originally posted by Keyfeet:
quote:Originally posted by Andy-Laa:
quote:Originally posted by Keyfeet: i dont get it. its a lose-lose situation. its not like you can say "i told you so" after it happens. and when it doesnt happen, you look like a dick
Well a God cannot be disproved at all. Religions can be if one looks at them objectively, but within the religion it is seen as "blasphemy" to question a god, so actual thought is basically frowned upon unless it is in the favour of religion and I for one would certainly argue that that isn't *actual* thought as it's the original form of brainwashing into a shared mindset propagating the power of the Church.
What's the point in believing in a lie? It seems to be centred around the fear of nothingness after death (though no one who believes in a god would *ever* admit that's why).
For me, it's just a way to pass a bit of time and blow off some steam in a rarely, but sometimes, intelligent debate.
why did you mention my quote? i never said anything about God.
Oh shit, I misunderstood your point haha
You were talking about a rapture/end of the world right?
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