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How the fetish may be "perceived" is irrelevant because you and I both know we're talking about female feet. You only need to appeal to men with foot fetishes so who cares what the "mainstream" thinks? Unless you're trying to appeal to that particular audience (for the $$$) and in that case, you should just be a straight up photographer.
See WE should be able to distinguish male and female feet over anyone else because its our main focus. You start getting into other things, like how pretty the models hair is, then any and everybody jumps on the bandwagon which is why so many women who are not even into it (dont know how to pose, move, give footjobs, etc) get involved.
Like I said, nobody wants a "dog", but at the same time, is the face REALLY the focus?? You've moved the focus over from a womans feet to something that can be found in any issue of Sports Illustrated or Victoria's Secret magazine and in this day and age where everybody has a phone camera or digital camera, you basically water down the product.
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I hate to break it to you, but I think a lot of these models from back in the day are being highly romanticized. Knowing a number of them personally, it was their husband/boyfriend who was the machine. The woman did it for her man, not all of us. That hasn't really changed. Now they just get paid more because people now use the Internet to make a buck on all facets of sexuality. And plus, why aren't all these models from a few years ago around? Quite a few aren't with that man anymore. There are exceptions, but don't think all these women were all about making us happy to be foot guys. Lol.
As for my models vs Feet Fair, that's a fair point. Adam hires pro models whereas I ask my friends to take part. I like the girl next door aspect. That's my thing. I do grab a "real model" every now and again, but for me it's much more fun to share this experience with someone "less into it" for the money than a pro model usually is. I know my models are not all hits with everyone, but if I found them to be ugly, I would have never asked. If I had a female friend who was just not pretty or let's say, well below average, and she had sexy feet, I wouldn't ask. I wouldn't even just shoot her feet.
I understand that many male feet are easy to spot. I'm just saying I think if you were given feet only photos of countless women (mix of ugly and pretty) and dudes (both natural and done up as a cross dresser would - like the Asian ones from Thailand) you'd get some wrong. But that could also happen with full body too. I'm not denying that fact. I just think it helps to know the whole package.
Not arguing either. Kinda like the point and counterpoint discussion. Good points on both sides honestly.
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So... back to the original question whether you can make money doing a c4s site without showing faces... yes, just not a lot.
I've been out of the game for quite a while but every once in a while I dip my toe (pun intended) back in and shoot a video and post it. I don't show my face, and I always sell clips. Not a ton, but I've got regulars who buy anything I put up there and new people sometimes find me and buy practically my entire catalog.
Now granted, I've been on C4S for a long time - a really long time. My store number is 5476 - store numbers are 6 digits now. Like Patrick said, I started because I met a foot guy who wanted to start a store, but I liked it and wound up doing it on my own. I really just did this as a hobby, not to make a living. In my view, it was fun, allowed me to be an exhibitionist in an anonymous way, protecting me from future employers, family, etc. from knowing, and I get to make a few bucks doing it.
When C4S got really flooded with footgirls, it got much harder to compete as a 'no face' store. If you're not expecting to make a lot of money, I say go for it and see what happens - what's the worst that can happen, you get some extra footjobs?
quote:Originally posted by Fiona McFee: So... back to the original question whether you can make money doing a c4s site without showing faces... yes, just not a lot.
I've been out of the game for quite a while but every once in a while I dip my toe (pun intended) back in and shoot a video and post it. I don't show my face, and I always sell clips. Not a ton, but I've got regulars who buy anything I put up there and new people sometimes find me and buy practically my entire catalog.
Now granted, I've been on C4S for a long time - a really long time. My store number is 5476 - store numbers are 6 digits now. Like Patrick said, I started because I met a foot guy who wanted to start a store, but I liked it and wound up doing it on my own. I really just did this as a hobby, not to make a living. In my view, it was fun, allowed me to be an exhibitionist in an anonymous way, protecting me from future employers, family, etc. from knowing, and I get to make a few bucks doing it.
When C4S got really flooded with footgirls, it got much harder to compete as a 'no face' store. If you're not expecting to make a lot of money, I say go for it and see what happens - what's the worst that can happen, you get some extra footjobs?
I wasn't planning on making a lot of money. I want to do it as a hobby and because I know a woman who is interested. I talked to her yesterday and found out she doesn't want her face shown because of her ex. She said her ex had a foot fetish and she is afraid he will find the clip store. She told me he was embarrassed about his foot fetish.
I may go ahead and open a clip store. I already have a lot of different footjob videos made with her so I have enough content.
My only question is how do taxes work with having a C4S store?
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You're paid as an independent contractor so you're responsible for the taxes on your payouts. If you've made more than $600 in a calendar year, at the end of the year you'll get a tax form from them - I'd suggest setting aside a third of what you make for taxes.
If you have any expenses related to the 'business' like camera or lighting equipment, you can use those as tax deductions.
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As Fiona stated the market is crowded with all sort of content including girls not showing their faces. Unless your stuff is really good. This doesn't necessarily mean spending lots of money either.
If you've invested no money or minimal funds, go for it. Your content may be awesome. Also make sure you're able to meet USC 2257 requirements for records keeping.
quote: they aren't "cool" if they're ashamed to be one of us as she clearly was [/QB]
This is very good point. So many cool girls to showing everything, why we need model ashamed show face? They only do for money but not many buy whats point?
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quote:Originally posted by Fiona McFee: You're paid as an independent contractor so you're responsible for the taxes on your payouts. If you've made more than $600 in a calendar year, at the end of the year you'll get a tax form from them - I'd suggest setting aside a third of what you make for taxes.
If you have any expenses related to the 'business' like camera or lighting equipment, you can use those as tax deductions.
I had to show MORE expense than profit to balance the tax, I am essentially paying to keep the I4S store up. That's why I am closing it. Not even remotely worth it, unless you make $599 and shut it down every year.
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quote:Originally posted by Jon26: I wasn't planning on making a lot of money. I want to do it as a hobby and because I know a woman who is interested. I talked to her yesterday and found out she doesn't want her face shown because of her ex. She said her ex had a foot fetish and she is afraid he will find the clip store. She told me he was embarrassed about his foot fetish.
I may go ahead and open a clip store. I already have a lot of different footjob videos made with her so I have enough content.
Like I said before, I think you should do it. Faces shown as opposed to no faces shown isnt going to make or break you. I think its more of a personal preference that these guys are saying but honestly, you're not going to go from broke to rich just because you decide to show faces lol. I really dont think its that much of a difference, financially, because you will still have an audience of similar size.
Do you have anything that you would be willing to share? Pics/Vid clips or anything...you never know, you might get some ideas from others around here.
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quote: maybe lix vixen but he FJ skills were one in a million
The fact that you brought her up kinda proves my point...You didnt need to see her face to know what was up. And her feet are not "all that" (they ARE pretty though) but her main thing was her footjob skills.
But coming from a guy who has dated a LOT of women in the past (please dont take it as bragging because thats not what I'm doing) but some of the most 'average looking' women will have the best feet and/or best footjob skills! Now "some" very attractive women are up there with them but just FROM MY EXPERIENCE I've seen that the average girl has tried more and willing to still try more. Those watered down pretty face models dont seem to be as willing to jump into a fetish as quickly...the girl next door look will get you by in the foot fetish scene. Knowing that, then the face isnt even that important if it comes down to her not being comfortable with it...lix vixen has those pretty feet, great footjob skills and sexy voice! Nobody gave a damn about her face lol Matter of fact, showing her face just might be why she aint around now.
Its some crazy ass people out here nowadays, so if they're not comfortable with it, who cares? I sure wouldnt. Even though I seem to be in the minority (at least on this forum).
All I can say to you is that IF you can get her to show her face then, cool! Thats a plus for everybody involved because everybody loves to see a pretty face. Will you make more if she does? probably. Is it going to turn everybody away if she DOESNT show her face? I doubt it.
Your profit may be less but if she wont model because you insist on showing her face then you've got no site/no audience in the first place so you're back to square one...so maybe find a few that will show faces to offset her. *shrugs* IDK but if her feet look sexy and/or footjob skills are good, you've got me as a fan and I'm sure I wouldnt be the only one. Like the other poster said, maybe get her to wear a disuise or something lol. Posts: 949 | Registered: Nov 2005
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