quote:Originally posted by catsman: Perfect, I come to wus to get my daily dose of political bantering. Goddamn, is nothing fucking sacred anymore ?
Literally nothing about that had to do with policy. I think what you were looking for was moral compass. And that is often discussed here. Two examples that are staples of the community are the morality of sniffing shoes and cheating on their partner for feet.
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quote:Originally posted by longhitter04: Good grief.
You are willing to compromise a girls health in an effort to satisfy your sexual desires?
Not cool. Not cool at all.
Good grief. You're willing to compromise the mental sanity of laborers in China so you can have whatever device you typed that up on? Do you have a car? Do you throw away trash? Do you have a water efficient, certified toilet? Unless you live in slums everything you do directly compromises people's health. So what's up longhitter04, you live in slums?
I honestly can't believe you would draw that correlation.
Justifying your actions by comparing voluntary labor for capital to predatory behaviour is deplorable.
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[/qb][/QUOTE]I honestly can't believe you would draw that correlation.
Justifying your actions by comparing voluntary labor for capital to predatory behaviour is deplorable. [/qb [/QUOTE] Volunta- don't make me laugh! Okay now, up off that high horse. I'm sure her back is aching from holding up all your bullshit.
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I honestly can't believe you would draw that correlation.
Justifying your actions by comparing voluntary labor for capital to predatory behaviour is deplorable. [/qb [/QUOTE] Volunta- don't make me laugh! Okay now, up off that high horse. I'm sure her back is aching from holding up all your bullshit. [/QB][/QUOTE]
I call the horse "Morality". You should get one.
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I honestly can't believe you would draw that correlation.
Justifying your actions by comparing voluntary labor for capital to predatory behaviour is deplorable. [/qb
Volunta- don't make me laugh! Okay now, up off that high horse. I'm sure her back is aching from holding up all your bullshit. [/QUOTE]
I call the horse "Morality". You should get one. [/QB][/QUOTE] You can call it whatever pleases you. Definition wise you align with what us formally taught English speakers call hypocrite.
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What exactly is going on here? I am getting lost in this conversation, but it looks like a quarrel is going on. Please, everyone try to respect other people's decision. Besides, the moderators have warned against bashing so please be careful.
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Jesus Christ I can't believe my first post on this site is going to be a response to this of all things. Welp, here we go:
quote:Originally posted by longhitter04:
I honestly can't believe you would draw that correlation.
Justifying your actions by comparing voluntary labor for capital to predatory behaviour is deplorable.
I was with you until you called it "voluntary." That comes off as so ignorant to the reality of the situation. And I don't mean ignorant as an insult; I mean it by the actual definition of being unaware. The work conditions are so awful in China that I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't know the extent.
I don't even disagree with what you meant per se. "Voluntary" is just such a stretch in this case.
quote:Bigbbwfeet said: [some stuff concerning the morality asking someone to willingly fatten themselves for the gratification of their partner.]
You're not off the hook either since you're the one who made such a ridiculous false-equivalency in the first place. First off, what you two do is your business. You're free to live how you want. I don't necessarily agree with the idea, but if the woman is willing do do it for you or vice versa, more power to you. Live your best life.
My issue is when you want to frame yourself in this situation as some kind of poor-me faux moral authority and equate the minor dilemma that is not having an unhealthy fat chick to put her health at risk for you to the very real struggle of laborers in China who don't have a choice in the matter. You get flak for liking fat girls, I get it. Not many people are into it and I'm sure it gets tiresome hearing insults. I empathize with you. That doesn't however negate the fact that you DO compromise your partner's health by making such a request of her. The fact that you have the ability to ask and that she has the ability to oblige or deny your request already makes a world of difference between the world we live in and the scenario you proposed.
We could take this to its logical conclusion and say that there's no overlap between the two unless you're forcing this girl to become unhealthy by giving her no other choice in the matter. I doubt you would agree that you are doing that. So ultimately we come to this instead. Your justification basically boils down to "Well there's worse things happening in the world that other people indirectly contribute to through consumerism, so what's the point in feeling bad about directly affecting this woman's health?" I suppose that's for you to decide. Based on your earlier response it seems that you decided not to go through with it. I will say that the people you mentioned probably wouldn't be able to understand why you would want to in the first place, however. Unlike them, you have the luxury of choosing. From their perspective, the idea of harm to their health or weight gain wouldn't cross their minds to begin with, let alone would they contemplate doing it it actively and willingly.
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quote:Originally posted by Subarashiiashi: Jesus Christ I can't believe my first post on this site is going to be a response to this of all things. Welp, here we go:
quote:Originally posted by longhitter04:
I honestly can't believe you would draw that correlation.
Justifying your actions by comparing voluntary labor for capital to predatory behaviour is deplorable.
I was with you until you called it "voluntary." That comes off as so ignorant to the reality of the situation. And I don't mean ignorant as an insult; I mean it by the actual definition of being unaware. The work conditions are so awful in China that I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't know the extent.
I don't even disagree with what you meant per se. "Voluntary" is just such a stretch in this case.
quote:Bigbbwfeet said: [some stuff concerning the morality asking someone to willingly fatten themselves for the gratification of their partner.]
You're not off the hook either since you're the one who made such a ridiculous false-equivalency in the first place. First off, what you two do is your business. You're free to live how you want. I don't necessarily agree with the idea, but if the woman is willing do do it for you or vice versa, more power to you. Live your best life.
My issue is when you want to frame yourself in this situation as some kind of poor-me faux moral authority and equate the minor dilemma that is not having an unhealthy fat chick to put her health at risk for you to the very real struggle of laborers in China who don't have a choice in the matter. You get flak for liking fat girls, I get it. Not many people are into it and I'm sure it gets tiresome hearing insults. I empathize with you. That doesn't however negate the fact that you DO compromise your partner's health by making such a request of her. The fact that you have the ability to ask and that she has the ability to oblige or deny your request already makes a world of difference between the world we live in and the scenario you proposed.
We could take this to its logical conclusion and say that there's no overlap between the two unless you're forcing this girl to become unhealthy by giving her no other choice in the matter. I doubt you would agree that you are doing that. So ultimately we come to this instead. Your justification basically boils down to "Well there's worse things happening in the world that other people indirectly contribute to through consumerism, so what's the point in feeling bad about directly affecting this woman's health?" I suppose that's for you to decide. Based on your earlier response it seems that you decided not to go through with it. I will say that the people you mentioned probably wouldn't be able to understand why you would want to in the first place, however. Unlike them, you have the luxury of choosing. From their perspective, the idea of harm to their health or weight gain wouldn't cross their minds to begin with, let alone would they contemplate doing it it actively and willingly.
How is that a false equivalence. We are discussing morality. Maybe other people are numb, but I see how selfish we people who enjoy the comforts of modern life are. We exploit people across the world to make our cheap shit. We create most of the trash, most of the pollution. But destitute people are the first recipients of karma that should have be set upon us. Just because people are hush about it doesnt make it any less morally compromising. If you have consistent standards that is. I entertaining the idea of asking a grown ass women to gain weight to make her feet meatier is hardly unscrupulous. I'm not a pimp. She's not vulnerable. That's no different than driving hooks into your lovers flesh because that's your kink and she's into it.
quote:Bigbbwfeet said: We are discussing morality.
No, we aren't - I'm not. If you think that my point of contention was the morality of the situation then allow me to reiterate.
quote:I entertaining the idea of asking a grown ass women to gain weight to make her feet meatier is hardly unscrupulous.
Your post seems to imply that I take a stance against your fetish for obese women or fat feet. I don't. I got that out of the way when I told you that I have no problem what you do with someone if it's mutual. The other individual may have been discussing morality but you are inserting the topic into this conversation when that was never my point.
quote:How is that a false equivalence.
I'll allow the rest of your post to answer that question for me:
quote:That's no different than driving hooks into your lovers flesh because that's your kink and she's into it.
Insofar as a kink shared between two consenting adults? No, there's no difference. Insofar as having the ability to choose? Yes, there's a massive difference.
quote:I'm not a pimp. She's not vulnerable.
Exactly. You're proving my point, thank you.
It's a false equivalence because you're comparing your quandary involving a "grown ass woman" who's "not vulnerable" to the real-life hardships faced by people who very much are vulnerable in in developing countries. I'm in no way concerned with the morality of your situation. In fact I would argue that if you were so sure in the justifications you gave me then you would not have felt the need to make this thread to begin with. If you want to indulge in BBW with a partner, more power to you. I'm glad you get the sexual gratification you desire. It's your rhetoric that I take umbrage at.
quote:I see how selfish we people who enjoy the comforts of modern life are. Just because people are hush about it doesnt make it any less morally compromising.
Eyes open enough to see how the system works, yet naive enough to think that their own situation compares in the slightest to that of the exploited.
quote:...destitute people are the first recipients of karma that should have be set upon us.
Yet you'll contend with my statement and ask, "How is [my situation] a false equivalence?"
I wish you luck with this moving forward and hope you find someone who can satisfy your desires. That said, you're asking about immorality on an English-speaking forum, so you're bound to get a more Western notion of that concept. People answering you are going to assume you want it gauged on a relative scale rather than a universal one. You don't need to justify your fetish when someone disagrees with you. You don't even need to respond at all if you don't want to. So you moving the goalposts and using the experiences of exploited people to make yourself seem more moral/less immoral is honestly pretty disrespectful. It doesn't come off as you refusing to stay hushed on the matter or being consistent in your beliefs, it comes off as you spinning their hardship to suit your position and justify a fetish that you didn't need to justify in the first place. If you were truly consistent, you would have understood what Longhitter meant when he first criticized you for the false equivalence. Instead you doubled down and now it seems like you can't keep your argument straight.
quote:Maybe other people are numb...
Well I'll tell you that I'm not. I see what happens in China. It's not that I'm silent about it, it's not that I'm numb to it, it's that I'm not nearly pretentious enough to think that my experience compares to theirs or that I'm somehow less subject to the morality of my decisions by proxy of being aware of the situation
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The thing is the "fattening up" scheme probably won 't work anyway. I've seen my share of over weight (probably recent weight gain)women that still had skinny feet. The spreading out of the feet is usually a factor of time, and genetics.
Assuming you're not married to this person, why not just get out and find a woman with feet closer to your desire?
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Subarashiiashi, I was speaking on the back of my conversation with longhitter. I can see why you thought I was wholly addressing you because my reply was to you. My mistake cost you the time it took you to write your many replies and I apologize.
You misinterpreted the comparison I was making. When longhitter took the moral high ground I said he's knees deep in shit too. Seems you keyed in on the explotation of factory workers when I had given two or three other examples of the casual immorality we take advantage of on a near daily basis. The examples exemplify the fact that most of us, even though we don't speak of it, are immoral to a degree. No not a smudge on an otherwise flawless figure, but the beneficiaries of known injustices. I.E mass pollution I.E explotation. Your fervor touches me, but you're fighting yourself on this one.
quote:Originally posted by aka.footjoyboy: The thing is the "fattening up" scheme probably won 't work anyway. I've seen my share of over weight (probably recent weight gain)women that still had skinny feet. The spreading out of the feet is usually a factor of time, and genetics.
Assuming you're not married to this person, why not just get out and find a woman with feet closer to your desire?
When you gonna let me visit Yes, I ultimately decided to find someone else who meets my standard.
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