Beauty Foster, Mai, Sakura and Tara Lind, four excellent models, each very special in her own way, and all four have something in common besides being Fair Girls. For some reason, these gals have never caught on like I expected them, and I'm not quite sure why. At this point I should stress that I think all four have incredibly sexy feet, and I have worked with each at least 3 times, so you know I really like them, and if you put me in a deserted island with any of the four, I would be a very happy man. I was hoping to get some input from you guys, as to why you may or may not like a certain model or models. So what's the deal guys? Complete honestly is appreciated.
Posted by oooo00oooo (Member # 31597) on :
I will be perfectly honest...I absolutely love all four of these models. Wow, they all have incredible feet. I'm not sure why anyone wouldn't agree. I for one think that each of these girls should be shown more. Of the 4, Tara Lind has to be my favorite though. Love the meaty soles and toes!
Posted by National (Member # 8568) on :
I guess it's only natural that group of people will like some models more than others.
Of the models mentioned, Beauty Foster is probably in my Top Five of favorite FeetFair models (probably Number 1 if I had the time to come up with my personal FeetFair favorites). As far as the others go, this is the very first time that I can remember seeing any of them, which brings me to something I want to say next.
Like I said before, some people will like certain models more than others. But if we were to say that the members here really like the four women highlighted above, then the only other reason that I can think of to answer your question is because you have not showed them "enough" times. I remember seeing Beauty Foster being highlighted in this forum, but to me it feels as if the last time you showed any pictures of her was five years ago. I'm not saying that it's actually been that long, but it feels as if it's been that long. And with the other three models, I don't remember ever seeing them until now.
Perhaps Beauty Foster has been featured in here far too few times when you compare her to a select few who have been featured and brought time and time again. When you (meaning anyone, not just you personally, Adam) show a handful of models many times, those women are remembered more, they get more praise and people rate them higher on their scale. When others do not get that much exposure, either people have completely forgotten about them when they do show up again and/or they don't get the recognition you feel they deserve because people have not grown accustomed to be familiarized by them.
Maybe those models who are the topic of this conversation cannot make themselves available to you for more photoshoots for whatever reason, which explains why they have not been featured so many times. But I think that because it feels like these women have not been in the "public eye" as many times as a Mona Lisa or a Little Dee, that that could be a contributing factor as to why they don't get all that love.
It has kind of become a popularity contest, even if that was never your intention to make some girls feel totally excluded from the conversations of this forum. If a certain celeb becomes the flavor of the month, that girl is everywhere and people talk about her as if she's the hottest thing on two legs and the other women who are just as hot (or hotter), who are not talked about as much seem to become a distant memory. I think you have a little bit of that going on here.
-National
Posted by Fair Adam (Member # 13350) on :
You make some good points, National, but I don't think frequency on this forum or on my site tells you the whole story, otherwise, how do you account for Catalia? As of last count, Catalia has been the featured model on the cover of The Fair, 11 times since her debut in June of 2012.
For some reason, Catalia just hasn't connected with my audience, save for a couple of rabid fans, but as far as I'm concerned, she's as beautiful as any model I've ever worked with. To me, Catalia is the whole package, she's young, with a killer body, and gorgeous face. Throw in her feet, which happen to have a pretty decent arch, and in my humble opinion, you should have instant magic. I have posted Catalia pics on this forum on numerous times, and she was featured on the cover of Feet Fair as late as February the 2nd, with Tara as her support model ironically enough. I know I must have mentioned how shy Catalia is, and her personality is low key, no doubt, but to me, she's one of those girls that absolutely smolder when you put a camera in front her. As always, pictures say far more than words...
[ March 11, 2015, 03:31 PM: Message edited by: Fair Adam ]
Posted by oooo00oooo (Member # 31597) on :
Dude...how is catalia not one of your most popular models. OMG she is fantastic and I can't get over her feet!
Posted by Lordsoysauce (Member # 2193) on :
That is very shocking that Catalia and Sakura aren't pulling in the numbers and reactions one would expect. For me, they've provided some of the best content on the site to date.
I wonder, though. Do you think the community as a whole goes through phases as to what types of girls, personalities, and styles are "in"? Are people getting burnt out on certain modeling styles quicker than they used to? These are legit questions, because I honestly do not know and would love some insight on it.
I'm sure the phrase "different strokes for different folks" applies here, but I wonder just how far that really goes. I'm genuinely curious as to whether there's external factors (social, trends) that leaves some models overlooked.
Posted by solefull00 (Member # 44401) on :
they are all smoking
Posted by Fair Adam (Member # 13350) on :
quote:Originally posted by oooo00oooo: Dude...how is catalia not one of your most popular models.
Beats the living hell out of me, my brother. With all due respect to all my other models, Catalia is by far the most complete package in a model I know. She's as close to perfection as they get...
Posted by Patrick (Member # 1169) on :
Unless you don't want to divulge such information, how do you determine how popular the models are? Emails? Memberships? Forum posts?
For Soles of Silk I pretty much just go by those things, but I also think some of what National said raises valid points too. For example, Mindee has been with me since Day One when I launched Soles of Silk. People liked her, but other models seemed to get a lot more feedback initially. When I published her feature model set here on Wu's though, she is now one of my most popular, most requested models. It was instant.
I'm wondering if it also has anything to do with there being other models who are grabbing some attention for whatever reason. For example, Ryan is one of my most popular models. That wouldn't mean, however, that someone like Kimmie and Kellie, when they were posing wouldn't have been popular when Ryan made her mark. She's just the "new, in thing" for a while. Since you debut more new models than I do, I wonder if that has anything to do with it.
And by the way, I've always liked Sakura.
Patrick
Posted by Robotron2084 (Member # 33263) on :
Personally when I was a member Sakura's meaty feet and figure were amongst my favorites. The other girls are fantastic, but there could be a number of reasons. such as being non-blonde, their not having broad appeal, etc.
I hope you keep shooting Sakura after the cows come home. She rocks and get better as time goes by.
Posted by National (Member # 8568) on :
quote:Originally posted by Fair Adam: You make some good points, National, but I don't think frequency on this forum or on my site tells you the whole story,
I agree in that it should not tell the whole story, but I believe that that is what's telling most of the story, whether it's fair or not, hence why we're having this discussion.
I think people just go by with what's posted on the forum most often and they let that be their overall deciding factor as to how popular certain models should be. That's how I do it. I determine how popular a model is based on forum posts, something to which Patrick alluded to earlier. If that's how I do it, then it's possible that that's how others are making the judgments as well.
Which brings me to Catalina. She might be an exception to what I said. She's been on the cover of The Fair just about a dozen times in a span of just under three years. Now I don't know how many times she's been posted in this forum, but I don't recall ever seeing her before, which is weird because whenever you start a new thread, I always click on it. Now if I had, in fact, looked at pictures of Catalina that were posted on this forum, then she left no impression on me.
If someone like her is featured on your cover many times, and she's still not being recognized by the audience, then another possibility of why that is is because people are not too excited with her looks. What other reason could there be? If that's the case, then they don't want to speak now, opting to forever hold their peace instead. I mean, perhaps it could be the case that it just so happened that people were too lazy to leave comments whenever her pictures were posted, but I don't think you think that that's the root of the problems here.
When people host contests asking people to vote on who's the sexiest woman in the world, the people often vote for who they feel is the most popular girl and not necessarily who's the "hottest", even if she's flying under the radar from the vast majority of the audience. For many people, being the most popular, the most seen, most talked about women also means that they're the hottest. In essence, that's what we have going on here. I think people go with what they see on the forum first and with the models they see most often.
When models are featured over and over again, those women make better impressions on the audience than those who are not shown nearly as often. For me, the only FeetFair models who I can remember off the top of my head are Mona Lisa, Maureen, Dee, Tracy, Lilly (who I voted for as Rookie of the Year) ... and that's it. Beauty Foster is the one girl who I can remember for someone who's almost never featured and who is not a rookie. As far as Lilly goes, even though she's a rookie, she really made a very favorable impression on me. She has the kind of look that best fits your style of presentation.
Either people are not showing love to the other models because there's something about the models that doesn't connect with the audience or it's because you don't show them "often" enough and people are not reminded that these other models have something special to offer as well. I think the people go with what's posted on the forum first before anything else. What they see most often become the main appetizers and everyone else is just a side dish or something that people are not ordering from the menu, so to speak.
None of this is to say that all of your other models aren't special. Instead what I'm saying is that people tend to stick with those who they are most familiar with. It takes more time to warm up to someone who is brand new or someone who's not a regular presence on this forum, unless that new girl is so sensational that she becomes an instant classic overnight.
In addition to Beauty Foster and Lilly, Mai is another one who should grab people's attention on a more consistent basis.
-National
[ March 11, 2015, 11:08 PM: Message edited by: National ]
Posted by HighArchesPT (Member # 45164) on :
There are already some good points in this thread, but I want to mention another one that I also think it's important and is somehow missing.
We all know that foot fetish is, as any other fetish, of sexual nature. Of all the girls you mentioned in this post, the only one that is a perfect caucasian is Tara Lind, while the others are not.
Yes, I already know that this is not a strict rule (Patrick likes asians, for example) but what about the majority of people?
I know some people who may perfectly develop a good and true friendship with another person from another "race", but at the same time would never get into something sexual with them because they simply don't get any sexual arousal (actually is the complete opposite).
I don't know if this is the case, and without knowing the characteristics of the universe of this forum - or your own website - users, it's hard to make any conclusion, but I'm very tempted to believe that this is a very relevant and significant point.
Posted by LordLucan (Member # 2130) on :
Underrated? Maybe. But always appreciated! Thank you once again for your tireless efforts.
Posted by Fair Adam (Member # 13350) on :
Well guys, I am again humbled by all your insights, and I’m very appreciative of those of you that took the time to comment.
To Patrick’s comment, yes I use the same parameters as you to measure a model’s popularity, mostly signups on the week she’s featured, but also fan mail, and video clip sales, if that model is predisposed to doing video. By using these parameters, I can tell you unequivocally, that Annette is by far the most popular of my newer models. The one thing that really stands out to me, is that the models who do best, are the ones with the highest arches, and that’s why it’s no accident that I tend to personally favor higher arches models over just about any other category, including race, age or weight. Just for the record, besides Annette, I sell more Paradox and Mona Lisa clips than any other models, but there is one exception. Hot Latina MILF Monik is wildly popular, even though I only worked with her once, when I was in Florida several years ago. Fair Girl Fancy is also very popular, and not too far behind Monik, but I do tend to attribute that to the fact that she’s worked with me some many times, and has been featured on this forum on numerous occasions, but by that same criteria, Francine should be just as popular since she’s been around even longer than Fancy. Francine might just be an exception because she hasn’t worked with me in a very long time.
I also picked up some racial overtones in some of the comments, with Robotron stating that maybe it’s because most of these models are “non-blond” and that hurts their appeal, and HighArchesPT states that of that bunch, only Tara Lind is a “perfect Caucasian” whatever that means. OK, I’m not naïve in the ways of the world, and based on the stuff that’s on the news these days, I fully realize that we have a long way to go, before we can say we live in a non-racist world. And yes, I realize that we all have our preferences, and that doesn’t make us automatically racist. As a Hispanic guy, I tend to favor Asian and Latin girls, and even though Annette is Latin American, that doesn’t stop me from appreciating Mona Lisa or Paradox.
I’ve had mail in the past from African-American guys, asking why don’t feature more “black” girls in my site, but the reality is that most of the African-American girls I’ve featured, just don’t do all that well. There is one great exception this of course, when I first featured Charlie B. some years ago, the public just went nuts, and she actually holds the record for most daily and weekly signups to Feet Fair, beating Mona Lisa by a good margin, so race is only part of the story. Some of you might have noticed that Charlie has pretty nice arches, and outrageously wrinkled soles, so let’s be careful about oversimplifying matters.
National also mentions Lilly a couple of times, as a models that holds appeal to him, but even though she meets all the criteria of what some would consider, which I think would be, young, pretty, fresh faced, and All-American looking, her impact on my site has been rather mild. I refer again to National when he writes: ”As far as Lilly goes, even though she's a rookie, she really made a very favorable impression on me. She has the kind of look that best fits your style of presentation.” Of all the comments made here, I find this one of the most interesting because judging by the sign-ups/fan mail/clip sales of Lilly – she’s certainly nowhere near one of my more popular models. I worked with her once, and she has made herself fully available to work again but I’m just that inspired to use her again, and maybe that might sound a bit harsh to you guys, but I spend a considerable amount of money to run my site, and I’m not picking on Lilly ‘cause I’ve had many models that look great going in, only to fall flat on their faces after I post them. You think I’m kidding, just look up: Brielle, Claire, Cory Britton, Lucia, Pamela and Tori, just to name a few...
I do appreciate all your honesty and insight though, so please feel free to keep all the comments coming.
Posted by HighArchesPT (Member # 45164) on :
As you just said, our sexual preferences have nothing to do with racism or even the long way to go before we get into a non-racist world.
Simply put it's sexual attraction: nothing you are able to control or choose. If Darwin was alive, and a member of this forum, maybe he could contribute with some relevant theories to this point, especially regarding the survival of species and the genetic triggers that force you to protect your pairs.
About Charlie, there is always the exception that makes the rule, right?
I'm not saying that this is the major contribution for your underrated models, but is definitely not you should call "oversimplifying". It's almost certainly one of the most important details that determine the success of your models.
Posted by GQguy (Member # 16534) on :
I find that my taste in women when it comes to who I date and my taste in women when it comes to my foot fetish differ considerably.
When it comes to my foot fetish it's really all about the feet. The higher the arch and the deeper the wrinkles the more infatuated I become. I've even subscribed to sites where the model's face was unseen! Of course having the total package is best(great feet with a beautiful face) but a beautiful face doesn't trump feet.
In real life though I pick the pretty face over feet all the time except for discreet hookups.
All of those girls above are beautiful but they don't get my foot fetish going. The shots and photography are amazing. And i'd gladly let them indulge my foot fetish in real life....
Posted by HighArchesPT (Member # 45164) on :
Just to add something to what I wrote before that, once again, may not be shared by everyone reading this thread.
If a girl has a pair of feet that perfectly match your taste in a way that drives you nuts just by staring at her toots, being it arches, toes, wrinkles, heels, toes, toe spreads, or whatever triggers your sexual foot fetish desire, then it will most likely not matter at all if the girl would not capture your attention if her feet were just average: you will be turned on by her and consider her a winner.
The problem is that finding such a girl is very rare. The average feet absolutely outranks the perfect feet, so other stuff will come into consideration, and here is where other details start to be relevant. Since the first case is very rare (matching your taste in a flawless fashion), we may almost ignore it and leave it out of the equation.
There is a girl member of this forum that falls exactly into this, at least for me. I would most likely never get into something with her, but her feet so incredibly good for my foot fetish preference that I almost ignore the rest and is actually one of my favorite forum models of all time (the rest of her physical appearance is not that bad of course, there are limits lol). But this is the exception that makes the rule.
Posted by Patrick (Member # 1169) on :
Some food... uh, some foot for thought... (like what I did there, didn't ya? LOL)
We all have different ways of promoting our models and our sites. I'm going to throw some bulleted points out here to further contribute to this conversation. Maybe some of these will help in some way. I hope so as I've always admired your work and the online friendship we've maintained for ages. See what you think of these points:
- How do you go about promoting updates or the models? I know you do some forum posts and contributions, but how exactly do you say, "Hey, this week's new update with (INSERT MODEL) has just been published."? I ask because for Soles of Silk I post to the Soles of Silk forum (which gets hardly any response), the main Photos Forum here, the Soles of Silk Blog, the Soles of Silk Twitter, the Soles of Silk Instagram, then I do the Update Site link on Wu's Feet Links, and finally, I leave 8 contributions. If someone didn't know that Mindee was this week's update, they're not paying attention or not as big of a fan.
- Speaking of contributions... Just a pointer - take it or leave it. Instead of posting your contributions as "Fair Girls," or something of similar, post them by name. Make people remember the models by name. And instead of splitting the contribution between two girls, let each shine in her own contribution. Focus on each model. Make people know them. I feel that bunching them up just makes people look at them and not even know them or remember them.
- Aside from Mona Lisa having great feet and an insane arch, I think a lot of people know about her because you regularly post her, make mention of her, etc. Obviously if she sells, that's a no brainer. That has made people remember. I'm not saying you do this with all of your models, but putting the focus on some other ones, and I mean MILK IT, can make people really take a liking to other models. This happened with a number of my models. Putting them out there over and over and in different ways really helped people get attached to them. Mindee... Cierra... Olivia... and others debuted and we well liked, but by making people know them, now they're loved.
- Sadly race can play a card, but other factors like age, and foot size/type can as well. I generally don't get much negative feedback, but I have noticed a trend of it when I post some of my models who happen to have more plump toes and thicker feet. Funny thing is, I love fat toes - as long as the girl attached to them is cute too. I haven't had too many issues with race, but that's because a lot of Ebony models over time have turned down foot shoots when I asked. I've been lucky to have some agree like Shae Spreadz. Danaya was over big when I debuted her too and people were sad to learn I had lost contact with her. Other mixed girls like Lady Steph and Delicious also had a lot of great feedback and are still asked about often. It's just the nature of the beast. Of course I'm all upset because I want a line of like 200 Asian girls knocking at my door to show me their feet. Hahaha! I do understand though, different strokes for different folks.
- What about some profiles or little impressions about the girls? Since a lot of my models are my friends, I know I have a lot information about them to go on. But when I make posts here I mention some tidbits about them and I even do little foot fetish interviews on my own site. I also do little blogs that even give more details about our interactions. I know that can be a lot of work, but I regularly get people mentioning something I said in a blog about a model from months prior and such and people even become fans of my models because they like the stories about them. Sometimes the little things go a long way.
- Comparing your models/polls. One thing I've tried never to do on my site is ask people to rank my models - or pick favorites. I even felt dirty picking my favorite sets on my site for my 10th anniversary last year. I know it can be a tool to measure who's popular, but people can be sheep. If they see someone else getting voted up, they're more likely to check her out to see what all the fuss is about. Some will probably just vote for her too as like they do with politicians. They go with someone else's voice or the group voice instead of their own. I try to let each of my models shine no matter if they're some well known girl posing for me, like Lexi did years ago, or just a shy, 18 year old friend who thinks her feet aren't that cute (which has been a lot of my models). I tell everyone why I like all of them and never say, or ask people to pick who is "better."
Just throwing some of that stuff out there. You're the machine, so hopefully some of what I said might help you get behind a few of those girls and help push them to people out there.
Patrick
[ March 14, 2015, 01:10 AM: Message edited by: Patrick ]
Posted by Fair Adam (Member # 13350) on :
To your points, Patrick, I haven’t felt the need to promote my weekly models because some many people have told me that they always look forward to Monday, when the new issues arrive. I also make it a point to let everyone in the forum know when I finish doing a new shoot, even when I’m planning new models with whom I have never worked before. I was just looking at the threads I started over the last year, and I think I’m pretty consistent in letting people know what’s going on in my site. I’m sure I could do more, but my personal life and other job are pretty important to me, so I’ve learned to prioritize over the years.
I also feel that there’s a fine line between promoting yourself effectively, and oversaturating the communication mediums with your stuff. There is such a thing as overexposure, and if you cross that line, people tend to start tuning you out.
I will tell you that I have a shoot schedule tomorrow with sweet Tessa – and you’re sure to get a sneak preview from it.
I have also done some general threads that have been successful in bringing new eyes to my site, because they tend to take a life of their own. A good example is the recent thread I did, named Wrinkly Goodness which ostensibly is about my new model Victoria, but ended up including other Feet Fair models with great wrinkly soles. I also think that I’m pretty diligent in letting you guys know when I get a model that has been absent for a while to model for The Fair again, with Giovanna See More? being one of the lasts examples.
I know how you feel about ranking or rating models, there’s something slightly unseemly about it, but I don’t shy away from it because at the end of the day, my site is all about bringing the public the best possible product, and a consistent way. It seems to me that you probably have a closer personal relationship to more of your models that I do, and there’s nothing wrong with that, but to me, friendship takes a back seat when it comes to work, meaning that if I have to be critical of one of my model friends, I will do it, all the while making sure that it is done in a constructive and loving way. I’m very proud of the fact that I have made some many good friend through my site, and I still have some many “old timers” that still work with me because they like me personally and respect my work.
Posted by footboy1 (Member # 4549) on :
Catalia is SMOKIN' HOT. She gets three out of four footboy1 strokes on the Jerk-O-Meter!
-footboy1
Posted by Patrick (Member # 1169) on :
quote:Originally posted by Fair Adam: To your points, Patrick, I haven’t felt the need to promote my weekly models because some many people have told me that they always look forward to Monday, when the new issues arrive. I also make it a point to let everyone in the forum know when I finish doing a new shoot, even when I’m planning new models with whom I have never worked before. I was just looking at the threads I started over the last year, and I think I’m pretty consistent in letting people know what’s going on in my site. I’m sure I could do more, but my personal life and other job are pretty important to me, so I’ve learned to prioritize over the years.
I also feel that there’s a fine line between promoting yourself effectively, and oversaturating the communication mediums with your stuff. There is such a thing as overexposure, and if you cross that line, people tend to start tuning you out.
I will tell you that I have a shoot schedule tomorrow with sweet Tessa – and you’re sure to get a sneak preview from it.
I have also done some general threads that have been successful in bringing new eyes to my site, because they tend to take a life of their own. A good example is the recent thread I did, named Wrinkly Goodness which ostensibly is about my new model Victoria, but ended up including other Feet Fair models with great wrinkly soles. I also think that I’m pretty diligent in letting you guys know when I get a model that has been absent for a while to model for The Fair again, with Giovanna See More? being one of the lasts examples.
I know how you feel about ranking or rating models, there’s something slightly unseemly about it, but I don’t shy away from it because at the end of the day, my site is all about bringing the public the best possible product, and a consistent way. It seems to me that you probably have a closer personal relationship to more of your models that I do, and there’s nothing wrong with that, but to me, friendship takes a back seat when it comes to work, meaning that if I have to be critical of one of my model friends, I will do it, all the while making sure that it is done in a constructive and loving way. I’m very proud of the fact that I have made some many good friend through my site, and I still have some many “old timers” that still work with me because they like me personally and respect my work.
Touche! To all your points. That's why I've said we're all different. I was just throwing some ideas out there about how I sometimes tackle things to try to help in any way. I just know from my experiences that creating a Twitter and Instagram page saw spikes in my memberships. Even though it's a free photo here and there, I'm already putting those here as it is. It's a whole audience that might not be familiar with Wu's and I gave it a try. I honestly expected it to be a total waste of time after what happened when I made the site's MySpace page years earlier. I'm happy to say, that hasn't been the case at all. Hell, it's even got me in touch with girls I didn't know for shoots. It's been a great way to network with others too.
Patrick
P.S. I'm going to be hitting you up about a fun column topic I want to do. Be on the lookout.
Posted by KlassFX (Member # 46337) on :
Well if we look at your big models like Mona Lisa and Little Dee, they seem to be in a class of their own.. You created these looks that have set a standard or expectation for the audience.
Now if we look at these models here.. It's not the same kind of look you gave in Mona Lisa or Dee. I'm assuming we're trying to figure out why these models didn't perform as well?
Curious.. Which model was the most popular when you were featuring Catalia?
Posted by Fair Adam (Member # 13350) on :
quote:Originally posted by KlassFX: Well if we look at your big models like Mona Lisa and Little Dee, they seem to be in a class of their own.. You created these looks that have set a standard or expectation for the audience.
Now if we look at these models here.. It's not the same kind of look you gave in Mona Lisa or Dee. I'm assuming we're trying to figure out why these models didn't perform as well?
Curious.. Which model was the most popular when you were featuring Catalia?
I'm not sure I understand your questions and statements, KlassFX, I have the same approach to all my photo sessions, regardless of who the model is. I do play around with light settings form time to time, but it's not like I do set-ups to intentionally favor Dee or Mona Lisa.
Those two ladies have been incredibly popular since day one, and they certainly continue to be to this day, that it to say, that if I do a post that features either one against Catalia, they will get the bulk of the attention, the same holds true for Annette, or even Paradox, if she were still actively modeling.
I suppose that some models just capture the public imagination, for whatever the reason, and I suppose that once you throw out the obvious, like great arches (which Dee doesn't really have btw), well, I guess I'm just not smart enough to figure out the formula. If you guys come up with something, please let me know.
And by-the-way... You guys really want to know who I consider my #1 most underrated model? That happens to be Regina and the reason I left her out originally is because it's been a very long time since I worked with her. I have probably jerked off more to Regina than any other of my models, with the possible exception of Maureen - but she never made a dent with my audience, except with my buddy FIASCo who I think liked her almost as much as I did.
Full disclosure; I wasn't all that impressed by Regina when I first me her, and almost didn't work with her. I think I met Regina through OMP, and at the time she was living here in New York and working in Midtown. After chatting on the phone, we decided to meet in person to see if we were compatible to work together. I picked her up after work, and since it was summer time when we met, she was wearing some nice heels. We took a cab down to Greenwich Village, and while we chatted in the taxi, she proceeded to show me her bare soles. I din't say anything, but I just wasn't that impressed by her feet, because they seemed way too flat for my liking.
I didn't call her after that, but she did reach out to me after about a week, and asked if I was still interested. Even though I told her that I was, she probably sensed my lack of enthusiasm, but because at the time she was living within walking distance of me, she asked me if it would be OK for her to come see me for a second time, because she had been too self conscious to show me all she could do with her feet, since we had met at a public place.
She came over a couple days later, and I'll be damned if she doesn't start pointing and arching her feet like a champ, doing some amazing toe spreads. It wasn't planned, but I ended up worshiping her feet that day, and when we did the first shoot, she just came alive with an incredibly sensual energy that I couldn't even begin to describe. We did about four more shoots, but then she quit modeling and joined the military, and I eventually lost track of her. To this day I can't believe people don't see what I see in Regina, but like one of you said, to each their own. The only other thing I can tell you about Regina is that her feet give me what I call "the fever" - that is that I can see myself playing with them 24/7 if I could, and only about two other models have done that for me. Please don't misunderstand, foot worship apart, once she started modeling for me, she quickly became a favorite because to me, she has that intangible "it" that my most successful models have, although I seem to have very little company in this regard.
Posted by hyperion (Member # 39397) on :
Been looking in on this thread but don't have all that much to add, except that pretty much without exception, I like all your "underrated" models much better than all your "popular" ones.
Also, cheers to you guys who can turn a hobby into a vocation. I most definitely can/will not. This is why I don't own a footsite or a brewery.
Posted by Robotron2084 (Member # 33263) on :
@Fair Adam,
I like your story about Regina and it reminds of the woman on my avatar. Our first shoot was in January 2011 and I must admit I wasn't convinced she had nice feet.
After some portrait work outdoors, we headed to a studio and I was completely impressed! We've had shoots in 2012 and 2014 and we're talking about this year sometime.
That said I had I've had my share of not so good surprises over the years too. This is one of the reasons I'm not shooting at the moment. Unless I have some indication of what their feet look like, I want to see them before deciding. It sucks paying big bucks for ugly feet.
This thread is a good reference as I plan to dip my toe in the foot site waters.
Posted by Fair Adam (Member # 13350) on :
My meeting with Regina was because of my personal protocol when meeting brand new models, Robotron, I always insist on a phone conversation, followed by a face to face meeting. This helps me weed out the flaky and the unprofessional. I only waive the personal meeting policy if another photographer that I know and trust personally refers a model to me, or if the model is from out of town but has a well established portfolio. I find it that taking the time to learn something about models saves on a lot of aggravation on the other end...
Posted by Robotron2084 (Member # 33263) on :
quote:Originally posted by Fair Adam: My meeting with Regina was because of my personal protocol when meeting brand new models, Robotron, I always insist on a phone conversation, followed by a face to face meeting. This helps me weed out the flaky and the unprofessional. I only waive the personal meeting policy if another photographer that I know and trust personally refers a model to me, or if the model is from out of town but has a well established portfolio. I find it that taking the time to learn something about models saves on a lot of aggravation on the other end...
Agreed,
I met one model prior to a shooting and it was one of the smoothest running yet. I also use referrals from other photographers, but mainly if they shoot feet. Boob and booty shooters mainly ignore below the ankles.
Of the three shoots I'm looking at one model has a good referral from a foot shooter, I've seen one model's foot work on a site and she gets it.
The third model is a tattoo model that does fetish, but in my experience many fetish models are interested in dressing. She seems to have feet I like shooting and she has camera presence. I'm planning to start again next month the only question is with who. Posted by KlassFX (Member # 46337) on :
What I'm trying to say is that you've established an audience expectation. Your best models mentioned are Mona Lisa, Little Dee, Paradox, and a few others. .
It's kind of like McDonalds, how they tried to do wraps, but they never did as well. Big Mac, Quarterpounder still strong as ever.
You mentioned there could be race/demographics involved. I see these models are not caucasian, and you already mentioned black models are under-performing. Do your numbers indicate that buyers are heavier on caucasians? Or perhaps only heavily active on your big models (who appear to be mostly caucasian) and generally the same on everybody else... We can figure out what/why soon enough, if the numbers are there to back it up.
Posted by Fair Adam (Member # 13350) on :
quote:Originally posted by KlassFX: What I'm trying to say is that you've established an audience expectation. Your best models mentioned are Mona Lisa, Little Dee, Paradox, and a few others. .
It's kind of like McDonalds, how they tried to do wraps, but they never did as well. Big Mac, Quarterpounder still strong as ever.
You mentioned there could be race/demographics involved. I see these models are not caucasian, and you already mentioned black models are under-performing. Do your numbers indicate that buyers are heavier on caucasians? Or perhaps only heavily active on your big models (who appear to be mostly caucasian) and generally the same on everybody else... We can figure out what/why soon enough, if the numbers are there to back it up.
Hard to tell, KlassFX, 'cause as you pointed out, most of my really successful models are either Caucasian or Caucasian appearing, there are plenty in that class that have never panned out. I think that when it's all said and done, it's all about the feet, and it's no accident that Annette, Mona Lisa, and Paradox all have amazing feet with super high arches. There are some exceptions, such as Fancy, Maureen, and Francine, who have always done well in spite of not having particularly high arches or being Caucasian.
Posted by DSensationalSoul (Member # 35114) on :
quote:Originally posted by National: I guess it's only natural that group of people will like some models more than others.
Like I said before, some people will like certain models more than others. But if we were to say that the members here really like the four women highlighted above, then the only other reason that I can think of to answer your question is because you have not showed them "enough" times. I remember seeing Beauty Foster being highlighted in this forum, but to me it feels as if the last time you showed any pictures of her was five years ago. I'm not saying that it's actually been that long, but it feels as if it's been that long. And with the other three models, I don't remember ever seeing them until now.
Perhaps Beauty Foster has been featured in here far too few times when you compare her to a select few who have been featured and brought time and time again. When you (meaning anyone, not just you personally, Adam) show a handful of models many times, those women are remembered more, they get more praise and people rate them higher on their scale. When others do not get that much exposure, either people have completely forgotten about them when they do show up again and/or they don't get the recognition you feel they deserve because people have not grown accustomed to be familiarized by them.
Maybe those models who are the topic of this conversation cannot make themselves available to you for more photoshoots for whatever reason, which explains why they have not been featured so many times. But I think that because it feels like these women have not been in the "public eye" as many times as a Mona Lisa or a Little Dee, that that could be a contributing factor as to why they don't get all that love.
It has kind of become a popularity contest, even if that was never your intention to make some girls feel totally excluded from the conversations of this forum. If a certain celeb becomes the flavor of the month, that girl is everywhere and people talk about her as if she's the hottest thing on two legs and the other women who are just as hot (or hotter), who are not talked about as much seem to become a distant memory. I think you have a little bit of that going on here.
Which brings me to Catalina. She might be an exception to what I said. She's been on the cover of The Fair just about a dozen times in a span of just under three years. Now I don't know how many times she's been posted in this forum, but I don't recall ever seeing her before, which is weird because whenever you start a new thread, I always click on it. Now if I had, in fact, looked at pictures of Catalina that were posted on this forum, then she left no impression on me.
If someone like her is featured on your cover many times, and she's still not being recognized by the audience, then another possibility of why that is is because people are not too excited with her looks. What other reason could there be? If that's the case, then they don't want to speak now, opting to forever hold their peace instead. I mean, perhaps it could be the case that it just so happened that people were too lazy to leave comments whenever her pictures were posted, but I don't think you think that that's the root of the problems here.
When people host contests asking people to vote on who's the sexiest woman in the world, the people often vote for who they feel is the most popular girl and not necessarily who's the "hottest", even if she's flying under the radar from the vast majority of the audience. For many people, being the most popular, the most seen, most talked about women also means that they're the hottest. In essence, that's what we have going on here. I think people go with what they see on the forum first and with the models they see most often.
When models are featured over and over again, those women make better impressions on the audience than those who are not shown nearly as often. For me, the only FeetFair models who I can remember off the top of my head are Mona Lisa, Maureen, Dee, Tracy, Lilly (who I voted for as Rookie of the Year) ... and that's it. Beauty Foster is the one girl who I can remember for someone who's almost never featured and who is not a rookie. As far as Lilly goes, even though she's a rookie, she really made a very favorable impression on me. She has the kind of look that best fits your style of presentation.
-National
All things considered, agreeing with National's post, a few other quotes and to add a little, I will say that in today's world of social media, A lot of women in the foot community are using Facebook, IG, Twitter, Craigslist(promote sessions for example), Tumblr, etc. just to name a few. A lot of women that are brought into the community by some men overall don't even know or heard of Wusfeet. Thanks to those media sites, a lot of the newer generation haven't heard much less even use wusfeet. I do understand that there are plenty of people on here that may not post but will email a webmaster about a model and some will sign up on the website based on whats promoted on here. Even if one brings up wusfeet to the foot communities of IG, Facebook, twitter, etc. and of course thanks to their easy way to uploading system and post everywhere, the average foot person(especially the women) more than likely will not get on here due to time, their effort or lack there of to want to participate on here(when you have to sign up to image hosting sites to have a picture show up without having to click a link to take one else where just to show the pic) etc. Unless a woman in general is really taking advantage of social media, offering sessions, photo/video shooting foot content, and/or attending foot parties then its a good chance(not always) that they will not be as popular or catch on as other models especially once we consider the general likes of the lady and attributes. Some men in some cases after a while will get tired of seeing some women if all they're doing is just posting vanilla foot pics and some cases just a normal video. That can also back fire on her which will oversaturate the market of her in terms of just vanilla foot pics/video. The average/casual footman that follows her from time to time will say the pics she has up are nice but what else is out there. The ones that go further offering sessions(web/real time), working with other photographers that specialize in foot photography and/or custom videos have a better chance at becoming well known in the community vs a woman that just do some shoots with someone, dont interact with the community etc. I believe that our community has to have an appeal to the average woman or model to make them want to interact in it, else most of them may not come back after one shoot or experience with it. Quality not quantity, time on her part, actively engage in the community but DO NOT Over-saturate the market if a woman wants to be popular, leave enough content to make the men want people if she wants to remain in-demand.
I do understand that some women can be elusive from the social media foot fetish community and can still be quite popular with people which gives them a mystique or overhaul request for them. The four underrated models and Regina you posted heck I would work with them much so worship their feet if I have the chance myself. I would go as far to say that they would have more success vs a woman on social media that just post pics of her feet with no face/at least a full body pic to prove that its indeed a woman running a profile. I never get involved with contest because I tend to believe they're bias and thats based on what National Said. Now I will say that in the case of Beauty Foster, I will say that if they're not actively involved in the community then yes some will not catch on as others especially if they pop in for a few mins then pop out for another 2-3 years. I do understand some people have busy lives to the point that they dont have time to do photoshoots or even actively participate in the community which goes back to a woman doing her part with Promoting herself and her interest/enjoyment in the community. Fair Adam in most cases its only so much we as foot photographers/webmasters can do. Its up to her to do the rest.
Catalina is a different story. In her case, the fact that she's low key, gives me the assumption(forgive me if it is an assumption) and conclusion that more than likely she's not actively on social media sites promoting herself/feet. Otherwise I am sure she will more than likely she will be in-demand, especially on IG/Tumblr.
quote:Originally posted by HighArchesPT: There are already some good points in this thread, but I want to mention another one that I also think it's important and is somehow missing.
We all know that foot fetish is, as any other fetish, of sexual nature. Of all the girls you mentioned in this post, the only one that is a perfect caucasian is Tara Lind, while the others are not.
Yes, I already know that this is not a strict rule (Patrick likes asians, for example) but what about the majority of people?
I know some people who may perfectly develop a good and true friendship with another person from another "race", but at the same time would never get into something sexual with them because they simply don't get any sexual arousal (actually is the complete opposite).
I don't know if this is the case, and without knowing the characteristics of the universe of this forum - or your own website - users, it's hard to make any conclusion, but I'm very tempted to believe that this is a very relevant and significant point.
Its kinda hard for me to argue this case and I know some will not agree with your statement. On one hand, if color is involved, unless she's light skin or another ethnicity then in some cases posting a brown/dark skin lady on here based on a post may not garnish much buzz as it would on other social media sites or some cases one's email inbox if they have a website of their own. The other hand, SOME men of different ethnicities are into dark skin women, they will look and appreciate the material, however they will not say nothing out in the open.
quote:Originally posted by Patrick: - Sadly race can play a card, but other factors like age, and foot size/type can as well. I generally don't get much negative feedback, but I have noticed a trend of it when I post some of my models who happen to have more plump toes and thicker feet. Funny thing is, I love fat toes - as long as the girl attached to them is cute too. I haven't had too many issues with race, but that's because a lot of Ebony models over time have turned down foot shoots when I asked. I've been lucky to have some agree like Shae Spreadz. Danaya was over big when I debuted her too and people were sad to learn I had lost contact with her. Other mixed girls like Lady Steph and Delicious also had a lot of great feedback and are still asked about often. It's just the nature of the beast. Of course I'm all upset because I want a line of like 200 Asian girls knocking at my door to show me their feet. Hahaha! I do understand though, different strokes for different folks.
Patrick
The interesting thing about this and I notice this especially living in the south, a lot of women of other ethnicities will do foot model before black women will even consider it. Some black women will consider it if they're friends are doing it and it seems popular. A lot of women will follow the trends of their friends/social circle. A lot of ebony women wont do it due to a lack of understanding it and what everyone else will think if they indulge. Some ebony women requires baby steps into it before one just blast them with it from out of no where. Now again I am not convincing or persuading one to some ebony women if thats what they not attracted too however truth is again some ebony women have their hang ups about it. So I can admit that after awhile and a bunch of no's, naturally one will begin to go to other ethnicity of women that will do it with no hesitation especially when in some cases, ebony women are not quite as in demand for foot fetish work as other women. Patrick, you should come to Korea. Plenty of Korean women will line up for it lol.
Posted by Fair Adam (Member # 13350) on :
Well OK guys, after all the comments you've made, I actually started a new thread (see below) on Beauty Foster, based on the first shoot she did with me, an to see if it would jog some memories. It has been well over 24 hours, and I have received ZERO comments on that topic, which is beginning to reinforce my suspicion that you guys are probably not all that interested in Beauty, which is your prerogative of course, but maybe this is why a lot of you don't remember seeing pics of her in this forum. Could it be possible that you've seen her and found her forgettable enough that she wouldn't register at a later point? Maybe I'm not as crazy as I though.
Catalia has always been one of my favs from Feetfair she could almost be my fav from Feetfair especially her older sets with her sole(s)in ur face Posted by Fair Adam (Member # 13350) on :
While I'm on this topic, I feel it would be remiss of me to leave out the lovely Jenisa as one of my most underrated models. To be fair, at the time she was active working with me, I wasn't posting much on this forum, so that might be a mitigating factor. All I know is that Jenisa has it all, a pretty face, great body for a mature mom, and specially those sweet arches of hers.
Posted by 88Fierofootguy (Member # 47468) on :
Where has SHE been Adam? I miss her... She wore my right hand out years ago! Posted by FilmUrFeet (Member # 44906) on :
Look at those soles! I could only imagine how that would feel riveting across my junk. Fantastic smile and just down-right gorgeous from head to "toe"
Posted by Fair Adam (Member # 13350) on :
quote:Originally posted by 88Fierofootguy: Where has SHE been Adam? I miss her... She wore my right hand out years ago!
She moved to Florida a few years ago, and I lost track of her. Posted by GQguy (Member # 16534) on :
Jenisa has some great feet! Love her soles.
Posted by DSensationalSoul (Member # 35114) on :
the pics of her are awesome. Its a shame you lost track of her.
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