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Man, there's this politician guy who has these ideas and I don't agree with some of them so he's a dirty Commie. Before him was another politician guy who had some other ideas that I didn't completely agree with therefore he's a filthy Fascist.
I just felt the need to complain about it because I live in the richest most powerful and most stable country in the world and the actions of a small group of people in a small window of time will most certainly be the end of it.
Luckily all the problems everyone faces are so cut and dry that pundits on TV can all simultaneously be experts in every matter of politics and life. Good thing they're around to show us how simple it all is.
Meanwhile there are people under the rule of real communists and fascists with no money, power, stability, freedom...
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quote:Originally posted by ozkar: Luckily all the problems everyone faces are so cut and dry that pundits on TV can all simultaneously be experts in every matter of politics and life. Good thing they're around to show us how simple it all is.
Exactly! How would we know who the pinheads are if it wasn't for them!
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Wow, my feelings more or less excactly! Its amazing how many terms are now being thrown around as buzzwords without anyone knowing the true definitions or examples of where the term came from.
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quote:I just felt the need to complain about it because I live in the richest most powerful and most stable country in the world and the actions of a small group of people in a small window of time will most certainly be the end of it.
You say this is jest, not understanding the trueness of the statement weather you want to believe it or not. All it takes is the flick of a pen across some stupid Bill and our freedoms are over..albeit slow not instant for the "frog in boiling water" analogy.
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What the fuck is with the xenophobic nature of Americans towards communists ffs!?
It even worked reasonably well in Russia - obviously putting aside the dictatorship - then when we forced parliament or the dumas or w/e they call them now they're in poverty and wishing Lenin was alive.
What is it about Communists that Americans have an unfaltering hatred towards when it doesn't even affect them?
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Because America was founded on different Freedoms and Principles and God given rights while communist countries are not. That is what makes America so great, is our founding documents and the men who created them.
In every Communist country, the people have always been the oppressed and relatively poor overall and quite un successful, this is fact.
A true Capitalist society with a strong middle class {USA circa 1946-1950's} is the best model for successful governance supposing it doesn't get out of hand and turn into a Corporate Oligarchy run by an oversize gov't {like communist} and the big megabanks on Wall Street.
quote:Originally posted by Andy-Laa: What the fuck is with the xenophobic nature of Americans towards communists ffs!?
It even worked reasonably well in Russia - obviously putting aside the dictatorship - then when we forced parliament or the dumas or w/e they call them now they're in poverty and wishing Lenin was alive.
What is it about Communists that Americans have an unfaltering hatred towards when it doesn't even affect them?
It is very real here. Almost an inevitability. For most this is very scary. There has been a movement left for the past 200+ years in the U.S. If one understand communist theory one will note that a TRUE communist state must first transition from pure capitalist to capitalist/socialist to socialist to communist. Guess where we are? We been slowly moving towards socialism since FDR and the "New Deal" but with both parties endorsing bail outs for big banks we've taken a huge step forward. Like most things in life, once you make that jump it's tough to go back.
Is moving left bad? It depends on who you are. If you have cash...it's very bad! If you're poor like most Americans...it's good for you....but...many will be convinced by the rich that it's bad. For many lazy people....it's good. For many poor hardworking it's good. China's growing prosperity and our percieved dwindleing prosperity makes us even more wary of communism.
Hope that helps!
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quote:Originally posted by Wrinklesguy: Because America was founded on different Freedoms and Principles and God given rights while communist countries are not.
Yes. "All men are created equal" is a horribly ridiculous idea, isn't it?
quote:In every Communist country, the people have always been the oppressed and relatively poor overall and quite un successful, this is fact.
China? Cuba? And you have what you need is the point in Communism. Not to be a greedy middle-upper class twat who'd never dream of giving to "the lesser people"
quote: A true Capitalist society with a strong middle class {USA circa 1946-1950's} is the best model for successful governance supposing it doesn't get out of hand and turn into a Corporate Oligarchy run by an oversize gov't {like communist} and the big megabanks on Wall Street.
...that's what's happened. Twice.
...might imply to someone that capitalism is non-workable due to the fact it is essentially based on greed.
Perhaps Marx was right (about the cycle - Feudalism to capitalism to Communism). There's just no time scale, so it's not possible to say he was right or wrong yet.
quote:Originally posted by GQguy: It is very real here. Almost an inevitability. For most this is very scary.
I don't get why though (It's scary I mean).
quote: There has been a movement left for the past 200+ years in the U.S. If one understand communist theory one will note that a TRUE communist state must first transition from pure capitalist to capitalist/socialist to socialist to communist. Guess where we are? We been slowly moving towards socialism since FDR and the "New Deal"
Well Hoover was absolutely fucking it up though. "The New Deal" worked, so I'd call that a win for America.
quote: but with both parties endorsing bail outs for big banks we've taken a huge step forward. Like most things in life, once you make that jump it's tough to go back.
Well...it *was* capitalism that made that neccessary unfortunately, though that's one things I was really against - bailing out the banks. (England are now bailing out Ireland now. Oh joy.)
quote: Is moving left bad? It depends on who you are. If you have cash...it's very bad! If you're poor like most Americans...it's good for you....but...many will be convinced by the rich that it's bad. For many lazy people....it's good. For many poor hardworking it's good. China's growing prosperity and our percieved dwindleing prosperity makes us even more wary of communism.
It wouldn't be "good" for lazy people. They wouldn't be working for themselves; they'd be working for the country and their neighbours etc.
Thing is - you hit the nail on the head there - the working class are the vast majority of any country and they are what keeps the wheel turning and yet they are hardly respected by the people they work for (they work for everyone). In a Communist society, they are equal and as deserving of respect as a doctor within the same social structure.
Also, yes China are doing amazingly...surely proving Communism works if properly managed?
quote: Hope that helps!
To a degree it does, but what you've outlined only tells me why Americans dislike the ideals, not why they seem to abhor the people.
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Again, you are still confusing Corporatism,the Wall Street Oligarchy and Greed with true middle/middle upper class grassroots capitalism.There's no need for Gov't bailouts and huge thefts of tax dollars when the business owners have the freedom and means to grow their business and hire. There's never a need for socialism in this country..some gov't intervention is necessary. Sorry you have to parrot the talking points.
What countries' middle class donates the most, or sends their Army out to help in disasters around the world? Yeah The USA. This country gives SO MUCH yet you say we're the greediest..certainly not the middle and upper class;maybe the Banksters.
Communist countries were not "started" on structurally sound principles that benefitted ALL, just those in charge. As opposed to the US, it was for 200 years a shining beacon of hope for all to make a living and have a good life free from oppression. Why would be people move in droves out of countries like China and Russia back in the day to come here if it wasn't "better"? come on man!
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quote: Also, yes China are doing amazingly...surely proving Communism works if properly managed?
Because we dump trillions of dollars into cheap Chinese good at Wal-Mart and other stores per year propping them up, while they {had} propped our currency up by buying the Treasury Bonds {which has now stopped because of our wreckless socialist bailouts and mis-managed debt} forcing a QE2 by the FED to buy our own T-Bonds back from us...with our own money.
So yea, in essence...China's economy is booming, but it has NOTHING to do with Communism lol! They are more "true" Capitalist then the USA is right now.
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quote:Originally posted by Wrinklesguy: Because we dump trillions of dollars into cheap Chinese good at Wal-Mart and other stores per year propping them up
That's a hybrid of Communism and capitalism. More on the Communism side of things - trading with another country. Much in the same way in a genuine ideal Communist world (which hasn't existed yet btw - there has never been true Communism as the entire world would need to be involved in that)you'd grow/cook/rear/whatever produce for the community and they would do the same for you.
- to address your other post, yes Communism sprouts up in countries that aren't too stable. Guess what idealism they followed when they became unstable? Yes, Capitalism.
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