You've ended the debate and are a very close-minded person with regards to the fact that America might just not be the Valhalla you claim it to be and Communism isn't an infringement of anyone's rights.
quote:Originally posted by Andy-Laa: What the fuck is with the xenophobic nature of Americans towards communists ffs!?
It even worked reasonably well in Russia - obviously putting aside the dictatorship - then when we forced parliament or the dumas or w/e they call them now they're in poverty and wishing Lenin was alive.
What is it about Communists that Americans have an unfaltering hatred towards when it doesn't even affect them?
Ummmmmm,... Americans, at least the ones that know true history, know that Communism does not work! To say it "worked reasonably well in Russia - obviously putting aside the dictatorship" is like saying, "Ted Bundy was a really nice guy - obviously putting aside the whole serial killer thing he had going on". To be accurate, Communism "worked", as you say, in the United Soviet Socialist Republic (U.S.S.R.). The last time I checked, that country no longer exists on a map because its form of government collapsed!
Basically, it all boils down to this question - Can man rule himself? Personally, I believe we all have a choice and man can rule himself if he continues to strive to live to the highest form of himself. Those who find Communism appealing - progressives in this country (the U.S.) who, somehow, think "big government" is the answer to everyone's problems - don't think this way. They believe that people don't know what's good for themselves and that people constantly need someone to "look over people's shoulder" and dictate what is best for them, all under the guise that it's for "the common/greater good".
Sorry, but I believe that people should be given opportunity; that opportunity gives people the option to either succeed or fail, rather than being told what's "best" for them. Let me decide for myself what I want to do with my life, where I want to go and the transportation method used to get there, what I want to eat, what I want for my health care plan, etc., not some government who thinks that they know what's "best" for me!
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quote:Originally posted by Fate111: some government who thinks that they know what's "best" for me!
Like say just as an example...the current government?
Who tells you you have to be taxed, how you can't do some things in private such as smoke cannabis should you choose or how you aren't allowed to have certain professions or how when your parents die, 40% (in England) of their estate must go directly to the government, who forces religion down your kids throats in schools from an early age - in science class, sickeningly enough - and I could go on...
Whereas communism LETS you decide on all those things (taxation obviously exempt as it would be irrelevant) - there can still be laws which all may not agree on, so long as they are moral, what's the problem? The fact that it has been a means of succession to power for some in the past doesn't mean that's what the philosophy is about. True Communism has yet to happen. So we have no stick with which to measure it by.
I'll just lastly point out that the question I posed was that I don't get the hatred towards the PEOPLE - the individuals - of a Communist society that is so rife in America (and other parts of the world, but mainly it seems to be America - Cold War issues or whatever).
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The whole premise is not equal to 100% freedom...if everyone is working "for the greater good of the whole" IE:Borg Collective, then individual freedoms to be free completely are restricted. You are only allowed as much "freedom" as the comrade allows you.
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