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I haven't been here since i made my post in it friday and I thought it would turn into interesting conversation
what happened to that thread?
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we all read and learn things and then put them into our own words, is it really that big of a deal if somebody copies and pastes instead?
this isn't a college english class where we have to cite our work or in this case our posts
who had a problem with what was being said? and why would they have a problem?
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quote:Originally posted by Michael P: we all read and learn things and then put them into our own words, is it really that big of a deal if somebody copies and pastes instead?
this isn't a college english class where we have to cite our work or in this case our posts
who had a problem with what was being said? and why would they have a problem?
hal simply observed that his posts were taken from some other website but no credit had been given.
look, i don't care if someone makes a post that they obtained from somewhere/someone else and neglects to give credit. i'm sure that happens all the time.
but in my opinion, and my point was, that if you're participating in a debate, like the twitter debate, it's only fair to acknowledge if your words are not your own.
i appreciate a good debate as much as the next guy, but it would be nice to know when one is debating a real opponent, or something copy and pasted from god knows where..
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what alpha male thread? how did it go? what was it about?
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quote:Originally posted by Keyfeet: what alpha male thread? how did it go? what was it about?
it described how a man should live to be as successful as possible in all facets of life
i think gq guy said it's the stuff a good father or big brother teach you, however most are forced to learn on their own, if they ever learn at all
of course it had doubters because some people feel that life is all about taking orders, never rocking the boat, and living in other peoples reality, rather than their own reality
it always makes for interesting conversation
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quote:Originally posted by Michael P: it described how a man should live to be as successful as possible in all facets of life
of course it had doubters because some people feel that life is all about taking orders, never rocking the boat, and living in other peoples reality, rather than their own reality
Well those are the two extremes - it's not like you WONT get anywhere in life if you don't act alpha though (and if you do, there's no guarantee you'll own your own business or whatever just by following those steps). If anything it's the ones who follow this "act alpha" advice who are "living in someone else's reality". They didn't come up with the concept of it. It's just something that helps those who have a difficult time socialising and feel insecure around people (girls in particular) for whatever reason.
quote:Originally posted by Michael P: it described how a man should live to be as successful as possible in all facets of life
of course it had doubters because some people feel that life is all about taking orders, never rocking the boat, and living in other peoples reality, rather than their own reality
Well those are the two extremes - it's not like you WONT get anywhere in life if you don't act alpha though (and if you do, there's no guarantee you'll own your own business or whatever just by following those steps). If anything it's the ones who follow this "act alpha" advice who are "living in someone else's reality". They didn't come up with the concept of it. It's just something that helps those who have a difficult time socialising and feel insecure around people (girls in particular) for whatever reason.
More important was the link between Alpha and being a leader. I think the two are synonymous. People that feel insecure around people don't lead. They follow the person that is most secure and in control of the situation. National simply gave little tid bits of advice to lead when out in a social setting for those that were perhaps not cognisant of what was happening.
As for being alpha/leader around women it is a must! I remember being 18 and asking a girl on a date. Then asking her where she wanted to go. Then askinng her what she wanted to do thinking I was being a great guy. No! They hated that. Finally I got the advice that I need to be the leader and decide where to go, how we'll get there and what we'd do. Women have responded greatly to this. Best advice ever come to think of it! And theres nothing wrong with it. Being alpha is not being a bully. My dates will let me know if sushi is a terrible choice for dinner and i'll pick something different. My buddies will let me know if the bar I chose to head to that evening sucks on that night. And then i'll choose another spot. And you know what....they always follow along. People like leaders. Women like leaders.
Not being a leader is ok. Someone needs to follow.
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quote:Originally posted by Michael P: it described how a man should live to be as successful as possible in all facets of life
of course it had doubters because some people feel that life is all about taking orders, never rocking the boat, and living in other peoples reality, rather than their own reality
Well those are the two extremes - it's not like you WONT get anywhere in life if you don't act alpha though (and if you do, there's no guarantee you'll own your own business or whatever just by following those steps). If anything it's the ones who follow this "act alpha" advice who are "living in someone else's reality". They didn't come up with the concept of it. It's just something that helps those who have a difficult time socialising and feel insecure around people (girls in particular) for whatever reason.
i never said you won't get anywhere in life if you aren't alpha, most men are betas, there can only be one guy at the top of a business, social circle, clique etc
there really is nothing wrong with being beta, you just won't have the quality of life of a more alpha guy
if you're following a friend around a club like a lost puppy, more than likely he'll be the guy that gets laid over you, the guy running the business will make more money than an employee of the business, the leader of a sports team gets the most credit and glory when the team wins even though someone else might have hit the winning shot, scored the winning goal etc
a true alpha isn't insecure around women, he wouldn't be an alpha if he was, you seem to think that all alphas are putting on an act probably because they make you feel uncomfortable
alphas are real with people, betas aren't and most people don't like it when people are real, they want to hear only what they want to hear
everybody has thoughts, views, or opinions that can ruffle feathers, the betas keep their opinions to themselves because they fear other peoples reactions and care too much about what other people think
the alpha doesn't give a fuck
as for not being alpha because you follow the alpha advice, that doesn't make sense
smart people follow good advice and insight and are willing to learn, dumb people live by the motto "just be yourself" even when being themselves hasn't been working for them
show me one great person in history that didn't have some sort of guidance somewhere along the way, nobody is born with everything figured out and nobody gets to the top by themselves
a successful person had a positive role model somewhere along the way, some are forced to learn through experience and insight from others
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i don't quite understand this "alpha male" fixation, at least in the way it's being presented in this forum.
it seems to me that if one desires to achieve greatness, then there are certain things that need to be continuously improved upon and maintained: intelligence (ensuring one is well-read and well-educated), physical fitness/health, self-confidence, ethics, etc.
it may well be that if one concentrates on those areas, then one might emerge as an "alpha". but by reducing the concept of an alpha to simply "being a leader", or being someone who "doesn't give a fuck" in voicing their opinions, or being the "one guy at the top of a business, social circle, or clique", then you aren't really considering what makes someone a particularly effective or good leader, or even a healthy individual.
i've had many groups of friends over the years, and i've known many guys who definitely liked to take control of our social situations. not all of them are presently successful. one actually drank himself to death before he hit 25. simply because someone has the self-confidence to "lead" in a group setting, doesn't mean he will rise to the top of his business or be the most successful at what he chooses to do with his life. and if he does rise to the top, he still might fail spectacularly if he is a dense, inconsiderate twat. we all know that there are some very poor "leaders" out there.
it seems to me that being an alpha male, or a leader, shouldn't be the be-all and end-all of someone's aspirations. it's placing the end before the means, which causes desperate people to seek out self-help "gurus" who hand out common sense tricks -- easy answers -- to their followers. so, some hack told you to be the first to enter a restaurant, and now some skank is interested in a second date. does that mean you're the next donald trump? not if you're a dumb shit, it doesn't!
point being, concentrate on the means, not the end. being the guy at the top of a clique or a business does not alone mean that you are going to be effective or well-liked. cultivate self-discipline. build upon your intelligence. study, study, study. stay fit and motivated. believe in yourself. have a respect for ethics. and never stop these things. the rest will take care of itself.
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I think Alpha's are the ones who keeps things in perspective. Vanderfeet said: cultivate self-discipline. build upon your intelligence. study, study, study. stay fit and motivated. believe in yourself. have a respect for ethics. and never stop these things. the rest will take care of itself.
People have such huge misconceptions of what an Alpha male is truly about that they don't take into consideration that Alpha Males are also men who takes in the characteristics that I highlighted from Vandefeet's post.
Here's another article. You'll get advice how Alphas stay legendary. At the end, this passage explains how things usually go in favor of the Alpha: Alpha males aren’t concerned with being liked. This is true in part because they already get enough love from themselves. But they aren’t the only ones who love them; while conducting research for this article, I came across numerous blogs that featured women tangled in a heated discussion concerning the alpha male. Allow me to paraphrase the overarching female opinion on such men:
“Alpha Males are jerks. I can’t stand how attracted I am to them.”
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Here we go guys! Good post everyone. I think everyone is right. Following the collective advice here will lead to success in all aspects of life. National's original post were simply tactics to display alpha characteristics while Vanderfeet is refering to the tools that build a person people are willing to follow.
Good stuff. Post like these better the foot fetish community.
Sort of off topic but has anyone realized that there is a small minority of men that hookup with the majority of women? It is the alpha types that comprise that minority. So when it relates to our foot fetish which is intertwined with hooking up it is in our best interest to be that alpha minority.
The above statement might be a little hard for some to take if they're in the majority. But then ask yourself....why stay there?
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